Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
6. It's NOT the government behind the spying, it's corporate contractors.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:48 AM
Jun 2013

None of the super secret laws and courts would be needed if corporations weren't making such huge amounts of money off our federal government.

First it has to be kept secret from competitors so no one else gets in on their gravy train.

Then it has to be kept secret from the general "civilian" population. We the People might not approve of the vast amount of our national wealth being funneled to wealthy corporations when our country can't afford to even feed their hungry children. We the People might not approve of the methods and short cuts corporations take in order to make more and more profits. Yes, these short cuts are illegal, immoral or destructive but they make the corporations an extra million or two. We the People might not approve of turning over political power to anyone some greedy little pig of a CEO thinks is a ok. We the People might not approve of unelected, unaccountable, greedy corporate tools having the power and authority that use to be held only by duly elected government officials.

It's NOT the government keeping security bugs to exploit our personal information. It's NOT the government storing all our personal information. It's corporate contractors who are doing 99% of it. It's corporate contractors who are controlling it all.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Well stated. Recommended. nt sibelian Jun 2013 #1
k&r MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #2
What's wrong with a secret interpretation of law being "monitored" by secret Bonobo Jun 2013 #3
according to many duers, not a damned thing. cali Jun 2013 #5
It's NOT the government behind the spying, it's corporate contractors. fasttense Jun 2013 #6
oh please. it's both. and it's the government leading the way. cali Jun 2013 #35
K&R newfie11 Jun 2013 #4
knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #7
So, how do you propose we fix that problem? DCBob Jun 2013 #8
How about appointing an attorney in every case to oppose the government? cali Jun 2013 #10
Yes, I think changes like that should be discussed and might work. DCBob Jun 2013 #11
That's a joke, right? Narkos Jun 2013 #12
It would surely bring down the unemployment rate. reusrename Jun 2013 #61
Oh right because treestar Jun 2013 #64
Change the law. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #58
But what about worshiping Snowden? East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #9
Really? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #14
I didn't think I needed the sarcasm smilie. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #15
My bad! Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #23
No problem. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #25
Getting ENTIRELY impossible to tell now... sibelian Jun 2013 #27
Spooky is what it is. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #41
Correct. Secrecy and democracy have nothing to do with each other. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #13
So no more infiltrating the KKK or trying to catch child predators or organized crime? randome Jun 2013 #17
Why not arrest them all? Violent murderers and assholes you don't need to fuck around with. bemildred Jun 2013 #18
You can't arrest someone until you have evidence. randome Jun 2013 #24
These are totalitarian police state tactics, Sir. bemildred Jun 2013 #26
Often there are cases where there is "evidence" but not enough to file charges or make an arrest.. DCBob Jun 2013 #29
Right, and then you leave them alone and respect their rights until you get evidence. bemildred Jun 2013 #31
Right, but the FBI might be listening to their phone calls to get that evidence. DCBob Jun 2013 #33
Quite. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #34
You do not 'leave alone' a suspected child molester. You try to get evidence. randome Jun 2013 #39
Your suspicion does not give you any rights to infringe someone elses rights. Period. bemildred Jun 2013 #66
They don't need to break the law. sibelian Jun 2013 #28
Like Snowden did? randome Jun 2013 #47
The naïveté is stunning, isn't it! treestar Jun 2013 #65
The process, so I've heard on DU... randome Jun 2013 #16
You make it sound like the problem caseymoz Jun 2013 #19
excellent point. The approval rate cali Jun 2013 #21
Courts have a similar approval rate, though caseymoz Jun 2013 #60
"1,856 requests resulting in almost 34,000 warrants issued" JaneyVee Jun 2013 #20
gotta link to your claims? cali Jun 2013 #22
You mean a "leak" to her claim... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #30
Leaked stuff? Metadata collection isn't new. And there are more sources on this than just JaneyVee Jun 2013 #43
"And there are more sources on this than just the government" Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #48
You can find out about all the judges on FISC, they are public JaneyVee Jun 2013 #53
you need some purty blue links Skittles Jun 2013 #62
You'd prefer that government not answer your questions? randome Jun 2013 #44
I've yet to see an attempt to reveal undercover agents other than from Cheney. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #46
We all want more transparency and less secrecy with the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #49
I guess you know from our prior interactions that I pretty much share that view. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #52
Yes, it is easy to get caught up in one side or another. randome Jun 2013 #57
You really think they meticulously perused all 34,000 warrents? East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #38
The judges are the ones who split the warrants, not the FedGov. So I guess, being that JaneyVee Jun 2013 #50
+1000000 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #32
good morning Catherina cali Jun 2013 #37
Good morning to you lol! Catherina Jun 2013 #45
So ProSense Jun 2013 #36
I'm saying reform it. cali Jun 2013 #42
That's the rub, I think. We cannot know exactly what to reform, since HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #56
Wow, what is all the timbling about, the Fourth Amendment is being followed and now there are Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #40
Agreed. Call your Congressman Recursion Jun 2013 #51
fortunately, I don't have to. that his position cali Jun 2013 #54
Fair enough. And mine can't vote, though she agrees (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #55
Before FISA was passed there were no checks on the Executive treestar Jun 2013 #59
Except that before it treestar Jun 2013 #63
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The FISA Court is deplora...»Reply #6