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25. First let me say that I believe it was Trayvon screaming

Reply to Benton D Struckcheon (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 01:45 PM

Jun 2013

but if Zimmerman was the one screaming, wouldn't he be able to stop screaming once he shot Trayvon dead? Just playing the "devil's advocate".

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The Zimmerman Trial: The Scream [View all] Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 OP

I agree and thanks for the post. russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #1

Kinda deflates the trolls who insist Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #2

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #140

So sad. They don't even try any more. uppityperson Jun 2013 #141

LOL CatWoman Jun 2013 #142

I don't believe Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #143

Does anyone else wonder how Martin could have 'seen' or 'grabbed' the holstered gun louis-t Jun 2013 #3

It was only dark for Zimmerman and pro-Martin witnesses Nevernose Jun 2013 #4

Try this. Igel Jun 2013 #58

I don't believe John2 Jun 2013 #90

Didn't he also recant brush Jun 2013 #113

What does this post mean? DarkforZimmerman and pro-Martin witnesses? brush Jun 2013 #112

I do. It's easier to imagine if Zimmerman had the gun in his hand rather than his holster. targetpractice Jun 2013 #6

That's my take ,too. The Wielding Truth Jun 2013 #11

I've always believed Zimmerman, thinking he was THE MAN, prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #41

How ever it really happened, Enthusiast Jun 2013 #61

No there is not. prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #107

Dude, Martin was obviously a teenage NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jun 2013 #5

You do have a point... Enthusiast Jun 2013 #62

Excellent post Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #7

This should be an OP Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #8

I added a little Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #10

Yes, I think you provide a line of reasoning that hasn't been stated this well. However... Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #13

Then at the very least Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #17

Good questions. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #23

Thanks Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #29

Absolutely. Concise! Well reasoned! An argument that cannot be refuted. nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #64

So, two people who think the other is creepy, and we don't know who made the incident physical? Recursion Jun 2013 #15

We go back to who initiated the incident. Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #18

I have no idea if Z identified himself Recursion Jun 2013 #20

Zimmerman had a right Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #21

Except what Z did that "put the scenario into motion" was lawful, in that telling Recursion Jun 2013 #22

Z didn't just "initiate contact," he CHASED him; this isn't like saying "hi" to someone. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #40

And if it was Zimmerman screaming, it would have stopped when he took out his gun..... George II Jun 2013 #28

Or (playing devil's advocate) when he took the gun away from Trayvon. SaveAmerica Jun 2013 #36

Wrong. The gun did not have Trayvon's fingerprints nor DNA. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #42

I'm saying that for folks who keep trying to come up with SaveAmerica Jun 2013 #47

And he had good reason to be in fear of his life. George II Jun 2013 #54

I like the way you think...........nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #65

Directly in the heart was quite an aim, wasn't it. If there had been a struggle when he shot pacalo Jun 2013 #85

Correct, and probably more than one. George II Jun 2013 #99

Yes, I agree with you and am hoping that much will be revealed SaveAmerica Jun 2013 #150

Good stretch there, buddy brush Jun 2013 #117

Yo, buddy yourself, pay closer attention to what you read SaveAmerica Jun 2013 #149

The whole idea of TM taking brush Jun 2013 #152

Good point, George nm Actuallly, excellent point. Cha Jun 2013 #72

As the OP pointed out, the screaming stopped abruptly when the gun went off. pacalo Jun 2013 #84

Why wasn't Z drenched in Trayvon's blood proReality Jun 2013 #103

Maybe the splatter experts will tell us why the blood gushing from Trayvon's heart defied gravity. pacalo Jun 2013 #148

As I pointed out above, if we assume that Zimmerman screamed, he JDPriestly Jun 2013 #105

Good one nt brush Jun 2013 #116

Too Many People Seem To Have Forgotten ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #33

People had been getting away with burglaries in the neighborhood Recursion Jun 2013 #34

I Certainly Agree With Your "Right" To Comments ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #51

I hope you don't mind. That is one excellent post. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #68

A well reasoned post! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #67

Lot's of truth about what you say, but we have to remember the trial is taking place in Florida!! George II Jun 2013 #55

Great post, ChiciB1. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #66

Don't worry. The jury probably won't hear any of that news. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #106

The Jury Is Sequestered, I Agree ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #114

I'm waiting to hear the forensic and autopsy information. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #126

I Found This On At Another Thread... ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #122

Right. Thanks. I found that after writing the post to which you are JDPriestly Jun 2013 #124

That is one fine post, right there. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #63

Thank You For Your Comments & Agreement ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #75

Thank you. I agree with your position, entirely. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #76

Please op this. bravenak Jun 2013 #82

Thanks Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #93

Yep, John2 Jun 2013 #91

If you saw someone drawing Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #92

Also there was no evidence of figthing on TM's hands. nt brush Jun 2013 #118

Whether the jury agrees with you or not, you have explained JDPriestly Jun 2013 #104

This is a tough case Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #109

Apparently the prosecutor does not have to prove intent in Florida JDPriestly Jun 2013 #111

Good points brush Jun 2013 #115

Yes, the OP picked up on that Shankapotomus Jun 2013 #144

I have done my best to stay out of this conversation, I live in Florida. Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #9

I Too Live In Florida... ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #27

ThanksChiciB1... Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #37

In Reply, Your Comments Bring Up Even More ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #52

The prosecution has to prove murder 2 in this case. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #110

Since Second Degree Murder Is On The Table ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #120

Interesting. That would help to establish his state of mind. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #133

JD, I am not the jury. Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #130

But if Zimmerman had pulled out his gun and was in a position to shoot Martin..... George II Jun 2013 #56

Excellent point........nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #69

I can't wrap my head around the fact that Zimmerman was too composed afterward pacalo Jun 2013 #86

Think about this brush Jun 2013 #121

Hopefully the Jury will take that into consideration. N/T Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #137

i really hope the prosecutor is making these arguments. barbtries Jun 2013 #12

I don't believe there's a legal obligation to warn someone before shooting them. Flatulo Jun 2013 #30

i'm saying that these facts should be brought before the jury. barbtries Jun 2013 #48

Maasad Ayoob, who likes to pose with a gun on his hip, is just another indirectly responsible for Hoyt Jun 2013 #53

I can guarantee that Ayoob would not sanction Z's actions. Flatulo Jun 2013 #57

His schtick is about arming up and training to shoot people. Hoyt Jun 2013 #59

People are going to arm themselves with or without Ayoob. His mission is to keep you from going Flatulo Jun 2013 #74

Or know the laws, what to say to cover your ass if you shoot an unarmed kid, and such. Hoyt Jun 2013 #78

Your ctsnowman Jun 2013 #100

Yeah, it seems pretty clear cut to me. I don't see the fascination with what happened Flatulo Jun 2013 #119

The scream definitely doesn't sound like someone whose head is being repeatedly slammed... arcane1 Jun 2013 #14

Right brush Jun 2013 #123

I think the jurors understand, or will understand by the end of the trial, that there is no COLGATE4 Jun 2013 #16

I agree with your analysis. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #19

I listened to the tape a couple times hfojvt Jun 2013 #24

Maybe Trayvon wasn't beating on Zimmerman... Maybe he was trying to deflect the gun or disarm him. targetpractice Jun 2013 #26

Really? I don't think I'd scream for fear of antagonizing the assailant. Flatulo Jun 2013 #32

I suppose it depends on how/when the gun came into play in the scuffle. targetpractice Jun 2013 #43

With a username like yours, I guess anything is possible LOL. Flatulo Jun 2013 #46

Hah! My username has nothing to do with guns. targetpractice Jun 2013 #49

i don't think you really know how you'll react barbtries Jun 2013 #50

I have no proof whatsoever, but Thor_MN Jun 2013 #31

maybe also he cut himself hfojvt Jun 2013 #35

You have proof the he was lying on his back on the concrete? Thor_MN Jun 2013 #39

uhm, no, I have a simple explanation hfojvt Jun 2013 #73

No, I provided another explanation how the cuts could have easily been made. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #97

that is reaching for a straw hfojvt Jun 2013 #138

Unfortunately, this isn't about "accepting" an explanation. It's about proving facts Thor_MN Jun 2013 #139

Oh, I know full well that you are just living on the Nile. hfojvt Jun 2013 #147

Not sure what wild fantasies you are riding on. Maybe lower the dosage a bit. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #151

On his back on concrete? brush Jun 2013 #125

That's my take cpwm17 Jun 2013 #88

First let me say that I believe it was Trayvon screaming AAO Jun 2013 #25

you are too late hfojvt Jun 2013 #38

I can't imagine anyone screaming help as they are squeezing a trigger into someone's chest. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #44

Zimmerman was screaming for help because he was getting a beat down cpwm17 Jun 2013 #89

That blood-curdling screaming was by a young voice fearing for his life. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #95

why would the person who had the gun and used it TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #45

All great points. Ol' zimmy had gun courage and didn't need to scream. nt brush Jun 2013 #128

Only death will stop constant screaming like that BklnDem75 Jun 2013 #70

I agree. AAO Jun 2013 #71

+1 freshwest Jun 2013 #80

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #60

That argument belies a fake objectivity, IMHO BlueStreak Jun 2013 #77

Try rereading the OP, this time try reading for comprehension. reusrename Jun 2013 #79

100% hogwash BlueStreak Jun 2013 #83

If zimmy was screaming brush Jun 2013 #129

Maybe, maybe not. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #131

We'll see, won't we. Like I said, zimmy had no need to scream. He had a gun. nt brush Jun 2013 #134

I don't think we will see. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #136

I mean we'll see about the outcome brush Jun 2013 #145

It's that 40+ seconds of terrified screaming that makes it murder not manslaughter csziggy Jun 2013 #81

Personally, it's too horrifying for me to believe the screams are Mr. Martin's. lexington filly Jun 2013 #87

I'm a grown John2 Jun 2013 #94

Yes, and at the time he was doing MMA training and was in shape. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #96

Zimmerman was fired from his job as a bouncer for being too violent. yardwork Jun 2013 #127

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #146

K & R ctsnowman Jun 2013 #101

It's my understanding that Martin ran to get away from Zimmerman AndyA Jun 2013 #102

I have listened to that scream often to try to figure out for myself who it was Samantha Jun 2013 #108

"There is no question"? Oh, come on. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #132

I've been busy offline and haven't read the protect our future Jun 2013 #135