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Comrade Grumpy

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74. I am a left-leaning libertarian. With a small "L"

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:34 PM

Jun 2013

I believe the state should stay out of my communications, my drug choices, and my sex life. I think we have too many cops of all stripes.

I believe the state--not uber-powerful corporations--should play a greater role in the economy. I want the state providing health care to all as part of the social contract, not insurance company parasites, Big Pharma, and for-profit health care designed to enrich a few off the misery of others. I want to see the state take a greater role in the provision of energy resources. I want the state to do more to protect the environment.

And what the heck, I'd like to see enterprises organized as cooperatives benefiting their members instead of corporations benefiting the few.

I used to say that I'm not a libertarian, just a libertine.

I exist. And I'm not the only one, by any means.

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Lying sack of s*** of the week: Edward Snowden [View all] riqster Jun 2013 OP

why the fuck should I care, Mr. bluntandcranky? cali Jun 2013 #1

+1 newfie11 Jun 2013 #2

I have to say Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #5

I would submit that deifying the messenger likewise takes away from the message. riqster Jun 2013 #6

"grownups" bobduca Jun 2013 #10

You have hyperbole running full steam, but no content at all. You asscuse others of 'deifying' Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12

Just type "snowden is a hero" in that little search box thing up there to the right. MH1 Jun 2013 #88

I just did. Got a little over 1,000 hits. Taken in context though, they're not what you imply... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #93

I did ... and the first page of results included some calling him a hero. MH1 Jun 2013 #95

I think we can agree that "hero" is one of the most misused words in the English language. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #96

Why would you conflate heroic status with a godhead? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #131

nothing like shit served up early in the morning. cali Jun 2013 #13

cali is not and has not done anything like 'deification' or canonization' of anyone, much less Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #18

thanks for backing me up on that, B cali Jun 2013 #23

It's what the left-leaning Libertarians infesting this site, do: absolve Snowden and GiGi BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #34

Oh, if you could only exterminate that infestation! Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #50

This board was created and is run to support Democrats, not Libertarians who vote Ron Paul or BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #63

Take a deep breath, tough guy. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #70

Likewise, comrade. ucrdem Jun 2013 #72

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #77

Neither does he, been year for just a few months and has already decided he is the hall monitor. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #85

No, Grumps. That wasn't what my post was about and you know it. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #81

So anyone who disagrees with your views on the NSA SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #71

WTF? BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #75

My problem is you have no room for dissent in "your" party. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #83

And yet... BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #112

Not every ACLU card-carrying civil libertarian votes for Ron Paul NoOneMan Jun 2013 #84

I cannot think of anything that undermines the Democratic Party more than Democrats in power djean111 Jun 2013 #86

Left-leaning libertarian is a contradiction Astrad Jun 2013 #68

Thank you Astrad, you expressed that beautifully. ucrdem Jun 2013 #69

I am a left-leaning libertarian. With a small "L" Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #74

Oh boy... You are dangerously close to outing yourself as a commie. I know because I am one. idwiyo Jun 2013 #103

That's how it used to be, but it ain't no more's. It changed when Obama became president. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #82

Check out http://www.politicalcompass.org/ NoOneMan Jun 2013 #87

speaking of infesting this site there is a bunch of blind followers of this admin boilerbabe Jun 2013 #104

Democratic partisans posting on Democratic Underground, imagine that. ucrdem Jun 2013 #106

Who or what is a "GiGi"? (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2013 #111

Yay! shenmue Jun 2013 #53

+ a million truebluegreen Jun 2013 #28

++good nebenaube Jun 2013 #56

First post wins the thread. Apophis Jun 2013 #99

blunt and cranky N/T sheshe2 Jun 2013 #102

+!00 nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #105

Read the fucking article before replying. gcomeau Jun 2013 #128

what is more important: attacking snowden or ending mass surveillance? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #3

Attacking the messenger is WAY more important than being outraged about the message. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #4

waiting for a new SCOTUS in 2018 because this one will just affirm it forever. graham4anything Jun 2013 #7

They've already stuck their fingers in their Libertarian ears and are going BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #43

Try actually *reading* the Vanity Fair article. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #129

what was the lie he told? RedstDem Jun 2013 #8

Cheesy, transparent, exploitative fear mongering aimed at weak minded cowards. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #9

Cheesy, transparent, exploitive fear mongering aimed at weak minded cowards. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #21

AHahaha Snowden SUCKS! Bwahahah! 'Murica! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #11

Pin Up Politics from Teen Beat minds.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #14

Oh goody! 99Forever Jun 2013 #15

You make unsupported accusations against others. When asked to suport your accusations Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #16

Another addition to my ignore list. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17

Childish. Are all Libertarian Puritans that childish? eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #46

LSoSotW = Douchebag Post of the Day. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #19

The Vanity Fair article is compelling and thorough frazzled Jun 2013 #20

The article doesn't have any lies by Snowden. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #108

They don't want to read anything that's not 100% pro-Snowden Galraedia Jun 2013 #118

When journalists attack: Glenn Greenwald takes on Kurt Eichenwald over the NSA story Karmadillo Jun 2013 #22

That's rich, coming from a blogger. ucrdem Jun 2013 #24

How does one define journalism? What Barbara Starr does? Karmadillo Jun 2013 #26

If you're talking about this Barbara Starr, I'd say they're on the same page, ucrdem Jun 2013 #32

Not close, I'm afraid. Barabara Starr who plays a Pentagon Spokesperson at CNN. I assumed you Karmadillo Jun 2013 #37

A full-time CNN watcher I'm not, sorry. ucrdem Jun 2013 #39

So, then, how do you define who is a journalist and who is not? Karmadillo Jun 2013 #44

GG is a glorified CATO propagandist and Koch client. ucrdem Jun 2013 #47

See post #51 (and once you see it, try to tell the truth from here on out) Karmadillo Jun 2013 #55

Perhaps they mean Brenda Starr, ucrdem??? sheshe2 Jun 2013 #107

Brenda Starr, girl reporter, of course! ucrdem Jun 2013 #109

One must be a journalist with credentials from you truebluegreen Jun 2013 #31

GG can say what he wants, but he is and always will be a dishonest attorney. ucrdem Jun 2013 #36

So his problem isn't that he's a "non-journalist" truebluegreen Jun 2013 #45

Frankly that's the least of GG's problems at the moment. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #48

Is that the best you could do? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #90

It's better than GG has done. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #101

p.s. nice to see Glenn's CATO conversations posted here. ucrdem Jun 2013 #25

Is this a Cato conversation of Glenn's or Karmadillo Jun 2013 #27

Per your article GG was responding to "Julian Sanchez of the Cato Institute" ucrdem Jun 2013 #30

What's your point? @normative responded to Eichenwald's tweet directed at Greenwald. Greenwald Karmadillo Jun 2013 #35

Yes. Greenwald's CATO connection reflects very poorly on Greenwald. ucrdem Jun 2013 #38

Thanks for not answering my question, but regarding your concerns about Greenwald's Cato Karmadillo Jun 2013 #41

CATO is run by the Koch brothers, and I object to everything they stand for and support. ucrdem Jun 2013 #42

Do you think that one will apologize BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #49

When pigs fly, sure. ucrdem Jun 2013 #54

Lame. Greenwald notes those sorts of attacks on him are lies. Here is Karmadillo Jun 2013 #51

A liar lying about his lies is not exactly persuasive, if you follow. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #57

Really? If you're talking about Greenwald, please point out where in the statement he's lying. I'm Karmadillo Jun 2013 #58

takes one to know one grasswire Jun 2013 #65

Yep. GiGi is a renowned flip-flopper. For Bush. Against Bush. For CATO. Against CATO. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #59

Let us call it an act of faith. ucrdem Jun 2013 #61

If you can't respond with facts to Greenwald's statement, I understand. Karmadillo Jun 2013 #62

They've been pointed out ad nauseum but here's a link to help you catch up: ucrdem Jun 2013 #66

Show us where Greenwald said he didn't know Snowden until he landed in HK. Demit Jun 2013 #76

Ah, the old guilt by association. Senator Joe McCarthy would approve. Demit Jun 2013 #64

He would approve of Greenwald, yes. ucrdem Jun 2013 #67

No, ucrdem, you. McCarthy would approve of you. Demit Jun 2013 #73

Let's see, who is holding in his hand proof that the President is spying? ucrdem Jun 2013 #100

Greedwald doesn't even answer the question.... Galraedia Jun 2013 #119

meh.... mike_c Jun 2013 #29

Sty gate's been opened...pigs are escaping in droves...sure, keep trying MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #33

Lmao@your ignorance!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #40

Exposing the truth I was on board with. riqster Jun 2013 #89

What? Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #122

Snowden only took the job so that he could steal information. Galraedia Jun 2013 #123

And you wish he hadnt, so everyone could live happily after. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #124

No, I wish he hadn't ran off to a non-allied foreign nation to expose... Galraedia Jun 2013 #126

If he had run to.the Congress, the public would not have been informed. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #127

That's the point: OUR OWN COUNTRY. Galraedia Jun 2013 #130

You cant have the cake and eat it too. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #135

He took four computers full of govt. data and fled the country. shenmue Jun 2013 #52

No one should look at him as anything more than a traitor. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #94

That's exactly what he is. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #115

But he went to China and Russia to complain about how oppressed he was in the USA... Galraedia Jun 2013 #125

The winner three weeks running! randome Jun 2013 #60

Awesome sig! riqster Jun 2013 #79

Actually the lying sacks of shit are in our government and M$M n/t usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #78

Ignore the messenger! Especially if he came from the Cato Institute DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #80

You mean the Cato Institute funded by the Koch Brothers? flamingdem Jun 2013 #92

I meant to show how little respect I have for Greenwald and his partner Snowden DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #97

I like that flamingdem Jun 2013 #98

More like Red. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #91

Very good article, if anyone takes the time sheshe2 Jun 2013 #110

This is who the Traitorass ran too - GhostNet - China's cyberware on Tibet... Whisp Jun 2013 #114

So Snowden BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #116

Did you notice you were alerted on flamingdem Jun 2013 #132

Yes BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #133

That was a major stalking move by them flamingdem Jun 2013 #134

My tummy is much better today, thank you, flamingdem. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #136

Vanity Fair does some good work. riqster Jun 2013 #120

DUrec... SidDithers Jun 2013 #113

Snowden's crazy cult fanbase keeps complaining about people attacking the messenger... Galraedia Jun 2013 #117

Not to mention the inherent hypocrisy riqster Jun 2013 #121