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mick063

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14. So tell me your threshold

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:21 PM

Jun 2013

Would you implant an electronic chip in your child's forehead to protect 200 lives a year?

Would you tattoo a scan-able barcode on your arm to save 200 lives a year?

You have a much greater chance of dying from your neighbor's handgun than from a terrorist attack.

We can't put tracing elements in gunpowder, but we can collect a billion bits of phone call data a day.

Here is the bottom line when it comes to your false security. Folks are taking your tax money and spending it on gathering your personal information to satisfy some obscure share holder's bottom line.

ALEC has you just where they want you.

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"People Who Urge Calm Over NSA Spying Make Me Nervous" [View all] G_j Jun 2013 OP

The 4th Amendment doesn't say it's okay to track people's behavior sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #1

There are plenty of people here willing to give up my privacy for their security. L0oniX Jun 2013 #2

And there are plenty who are willing to give up my life for their total privacy. pnwmom Jun 2013 #5

While yer at ...it let me know when they keep the other driver from risking my life. L0oniX Jun 2013 #9

So tell me your threshold mick063 Jun 2013 #14

I'm not going to respond to ridiculous hypotheticals pnwmom Jun 2013 #16

Right mick063 Jun 2013 #17

Your fervent wish marions ghost Jun 2013 #22

+10000! nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #42

+++++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #50

Gasping at 'ridiculous hypotheticals' moments after you posted this: Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #44

+++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #49

you're the one who introduced the ridiculous hypotheticals. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #61

It could be a 911every day and a Benghazi every night and I would *STILL* say abolish the NSA The Green Manalishi Jun 2013 #18

I'll bet they would too Progressive dog Jun 2013 #21

And if they gave up their privacy to save 200 children what would they be leaving snappyturtle Jun 2013 #51

You said "Sacrifice is never easy. imho" Progressive dog Jun 2013 #59

Thousands have died to keep us free. Are we supposed to roll over snappyturtle Jun 2013 #63

Some of those thouisands were spies. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #65

Either the Constitution is worth dying for or it isn't. I take it that you snappyturtle Jun 2013 #67

If you only have two choices, it must be very "simple" Progressive dog Jun 2013 #71

There's another legal avenue: amend the Constitution. Until snappyturtle Jun 2013 #73

Oh you're on the Supreme court Progressive dog Jun 2013 #74

I've said what I wanted to say. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. snappyturtle Jun 2013 #75

I have no problem with that. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #76

Who came up with that bullshit scenerio? blackspade Jun 2013 #52

The rare double false premise in one reply. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #86

Calm should return, reasonable thinking would indicate it would not be necessary to follow the calls Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #3

have you, or anyone you know been a member of G_j Jun 2013 #7

Not that I know of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #8

And there you have it. blackspade Jun 2013 #53

Perhaps I do not choose to be a part of occupy, would you be comfortable with me suggesting you Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #56

Waht a strange question. sibelian Jun 2013 #64

Perhaps you did not read the previous information, I dont care if you do or do not actively Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #72

And why would I do that? blackspade Jun 2013 #79

Just because I am not an active participant in occupy does not mean I am not Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #84

Good to hear. blackspade Jun 2013 #85

My calls are not "wonderful"... but my phone may have been tapped in the 1980's, anyway. deurbano Jun 2013 #32

The point is that the government can chart all of your contacts and who they JDPriestly Jun 2013 #37

+1000 blackspade Jun 2013 #54

The Surveillance State and DU - There is No Connection There. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #4

From Mar 11 marions ghost Jun 2013 #12

I'm sure the poster OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #13

Never did believe marions ghost Jun 2013 #19

In one DUer's opinion. Quantess Jun 2013 #69

I have said one thing only and consistently on this board. Skidmore Jun 2013 #6

Well, that's being reasonable and implies people will be proactive. Ranting w/your hair on fire KittyWampus Jun 2013 #10

Exactly +1 DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #15

Ever stopped to consider that this is part of the process? mick063 Jun 2013 #20

With persuasion? For most politicans, what's more persuasive than money? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #25

I gotta give you credit for being right about most politicians mick063 Jun 2013 #29

Gee wiz, that's why some of us elect Wyden and Merkley who have been along Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #45

I'm sorry to disagree with you in that I think you make quite a few inferences Skidmore Jun 2013 #47

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #11

Our past two administrations seem to be working to realize Mussolini's Dream in America panzerfaust Jun 2013 #23

The activities that are already illegal under 18 U.S.C. § 2511 should be prosecuted. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #24

People who urge calm make him nervous treestar Jun 2013 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author railsback Jun 2013 #27

here is where it goes Chaco Dundee Jun 2013 #28

People who defend treason make me nervous Narkos Jun 2013 #30

I just read a stirring section on the patriotism and willingness to serve of US servicemen and JDPriestly Jun 2013 #40

I read your reply Narkos Jun 2013 #41

Had Snowden "faced the music" in the U.S. he would have had the next snappyturtle Jun 2013 #43

Yes, if he was courageous Narkos Jun 2013 #57

"Patriotism of the kind that won WWII" jberryhill Jun 2013 #58

You never make changes in the law in a climate of fear. randome Jun 2013 #31

ok G_j Jun 2013 #33

As treestar said above, panicked is the worst state of mind to make changes. randome Jun 2013 #34

panic is your take then, as well as irrational G_j Jun 2013 #36

And it was panic that gave birth to the Patriot Act and all of this crap. Fear. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #46

No, I don't admit it's utterly worthless but I do think it is badly flawed. randome Jun 2013 #48

Are you saying the PATRIOT Act wasn't written and passed in a "climate of fear"? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #66

No, I am not saying that. Clearly it was. randome Jun 2013 #70

Ahhhh... another supporter of Peter and C. Little whistler162 Jun 2013 #35

nice try G_j Jun 2013 #38

No doubt mick063 Jun 2013 #39

Like this? blackspade Jun 2013 #55

kr HiPointDem Jun 2013 #60

not urging calm.. just urging common sense. DCBob Jun 2013 #62

knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #68

My life in the phone lines Progressive dog Jun 2013 #77

There is a history of the FISA Courts all should understand, it is here to Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #78

You must be joking Aerows Jun 2013 #80

Previously to the FISA Act whoever was the presidemt could get the wiretaps without Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #83

No use arguing with the infatuated Aerows Jun 2013 #87

You may be correct in arguing with those infatuated with non truths, just like "scandals" of recent Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #88

I certainly do not advocate running out in a panic, but clearly there has been geckosfeet Jun 2013 #81

kick nashville_brook Jun 2013 #82