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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:07 PM Jun 2013

Total Surveillance: The Response to Snowden’s Leak Ignores the Reality of Political Repression [View all]

by KATE EPSTEIN
Although Edward Snowden’s recent revelations about the breadth and scope of the surveillance-industrial complex didn’t add many facts to the public record of the ongoing post-9/11 security state saga, it certainly brought the issue to the forefront, forcing everyone to confront the stark realities of disappearing privacy and diminishing liberties. Many who defend the government (and corporate) spying argue that the right to privacy and anonymous free speech must be balanced against safety and security.

Many of these defenders are comfortable with government surveillance as long as the government doesn’t abuse its ability to spy and collect citizens’ data. If it will help catch terrorists before they attack, the argument goes, then it’s worth it, even if the idea of total surveillance is kind of creepy and we all wish this wasn’t the trade off we have to make. I agree with this commenter, responding to David Simon’s June 7th blog post in which the former Baltimore Sun journalist and Wire creator defended the NSA near-total surveillance, primarily because, Simon claims, there has been no evidence that the government has abused its surveillance power:

I’m not sure that actually having lived in a totalitarian society, like I have in communist Bulgaria, is a prerequisite to grasping that total surveillance, or the fear of it, kills free expression, and at some point even thinking. Self-censorship becomes way of life. And the power of the secret police that hears and knows everything and can pressure anyone into submission is huge. The Stasi strongmen could have only dreamt of the richness of detail Google and Facebook are providing to the NSA. Not to mention the automated analytical tools that are already available it [sic] are currently being developed. The possibilities of power misuse are just too big to ignore.


True enough in theory, and even scarier when we consider the overwhelming evidence that at least one goal the corporate-state surveillance apparatus is fulfilling is the political repression of activists on both the left and the right who advocate fundamental, democratic change to a badly broken system.

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K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #1
Putin has me surveilled in this field here flamingdem Jun 2013 #2
nevermind GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #5
Only one problem with your graphic: bvar22 Jun 2013 #6
K&R Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #3
Anti-fracking groups followed and monitored: marions ghost Jun 2013 #4
I believe this program of meta-data mining nineteen50 Jun 2013 #12
no doubt marions ghost Jun 2013 #14
Furthermore, chervilant Jun 2013 #17
The possible uses of data and nineteen50 Jun 2013 #20
If you think about it, chervilant Jun 2013 #21
+10000000000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #35
On the nose. reusrename Jun 2013 #28
TransCanada Caught Training Police to Treat Nonviolent Keystone XL Protesters as Terrorists Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #7
I believe this program of meta-data mining nineteen50 Jun 2013 #13
Exactly. To stop populist uprisings and dissent. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #16
hmm... chervilant Jun 2013 #22
Regrettably, Nothing Will Change Until The American People Have Had Enough cantbeserious Jun 2013 #8
How can we know or verify how they are using the data? Trust them? No F'ing way. They have lied L0oniX Jun 2013 #9
So, how long until the Good Germans come to "reshape the narrative"? n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #10
"Many of these defenders are comfortable with nineteen50 Jun 2013 #11
What diminishing liberties? treestar Jun 2013 #15
I know that now chervilant Jun 2013 #23
Time place and manner restrictions are constitutional treestar Jun 2013 #25
I believe your question was "Do you really think you can't do all you were doing before?" Demit Jun 2013 #26
Time place and manner restrictions are allowed even if you personally don't approve treestar Jun 2013 #29
I've been an activist chervilant Jun 2013 #27
You have a problem with citing of the law? treestar Jun 2013 #30
Really, treestar chervilant Jun 2013 #33
So how is this to be comprehended treestar Jun 2013 #34
Go ahead and be "right," treestar chervilant Jun 2013 #36
I have lost the right to protest peacefully without anticipating woo me with science Jun 2013 #32
There is the usual bureaucratic maze of laws and regulations regarding the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #18
kickee reckee nashville_brook Jun 2013 #19
k/r marmar Jun 2013 #24
+10000 This government is already thumbing its nose at the people, woo me with science Jun 2013 #31
Excellent post, woo! chervilant Jun 2013 #37
kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #38
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