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IrishAyes

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80. I'm don't usually indulge unless someone's smarting off at another person - or at me.

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:29 PM

Jun 2013

There's ever so slight a chance that once or twice in my life, I've stood in line for humble pie too. Probably more often that I should've.

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Dear mother of Gawd, I am tired of arguing with rocks [View all] boston bean Jun 2013 OP

Amen.. pipoman Jun 2013 #1

But but they are just trying to keep freedom alive! lunasun Jun 2013 #2

We don't want to wait for a mushroom cloud or dirty suit case bomb do we? L0oniX Jun 2013 #33

Some of the "rocks" are pros. They are probably paid for volume of posts. Ignore them if you GoneFishin Jun 2013 #129

+10 That is pretty obvious sometimes. RC Jun 2013 #160

That makes a lot of pro-sense... n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #207

but, but, we must agree with our leader. Go Obama! He is our President. quinnox Jun 2013 #3

Only a dirty ron paulite would disagree with Obama. L0oniX Jun 2013 #35

It is similarly illegal for police Gman Jun 2013 #4

Just part of the foot in the door. RC Jun 2013 #164

Or "Immigration Check Points" in the interior of border states. bvar22 Jun 2013 #176

Unfortunately we're stuck with the laws we have. Recursion Jun 2013 #5

Slavery, it was the law. I guess we shouldn't have done anything about it. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #10

What did I say? "I'd like that law to be different" Recursion Jun 2013 #11

Because it comes off a whimsical and Coccydynia Jun 2013 #15

No, it's Constitutional because the Supreme Court said so almost 40 years ago Recursion Jun 2013 #17

Actually, it didn't. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #23

The ruling is clear that the dialing of numbers doesn't have a Constitutional expectation of privacy Recursion Jun 2013 #24

As I noted, the meta data collected Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #100

Hi there, Ms Toad. truedelphi Jun 2013 #212

Thank you. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #249

The court has ruled multiple times, cheapdate Jun 2013 #62

numbers dialed into a telephone system Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #99

What the US says about this program has been contradicted by several JDPriestly Jun 2013 #76

You WROTE, "We're stuck with....." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #65

Wow, bad law =slavery Progressive dog Jun 2013 #77

Not true at all, e.g. DOMA usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #21

The case was 1979. 1986 was the law that required warrants again Recursion Jun 2013 #37

Fortunately, we're not. Iggo Jun 2013 #36

We're not stuck with any law. It is up to the people to make it clear how they feel about anyone sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #53

Just because Congress passes a law Jake2413 Jun 2013 #67

"most recently with the 2008 FISA amendment. " bvar22 Jun 2013 #179

Most of the people arguing with you here are griefing trolls or paid shills. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #6

Yep. They are obvious. morningfog Jun 2013 #7

Yes, don't injure your beautiful minds by being subjected to opinions that differ from yours. randome Jun 2013 #14

^^^ This! ^^^ BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #153

many simply believe what they're saying burnodo Jun 2013 #16

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #41

Oh FFS! MineralMan Jun 2013 #44

Where's my paycheck? ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #57

Do you really feel a need for protection from Acorn? reusrename Jun 2013 #112

Are you serious? ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #119

I sure wish I lived in your reality. reusrename Jun 2013 #121

Well, here's why I live in that reality... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #124

There are cracks in the meme that "the NSA collection of data is only for catching terrorists". GoneFishin Jun 2013 #134

But you're okay with Verizon using your data for whatever they want. randome Jun 2013 #158

Actually, I trust the NSA to not misuse that metadata far more than I do Verizon ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #217

Now I get it, you think the NSA works for you, and not for the banksters. reusrename Jun 2013 #225

I know. Plus keeping the metadata in one place makes warrant searches much easier. randome Jun 2013 #227

The national security state is responsible for some pretty horrible stuff. reusrename Jun 2013 #148

You're changing the subject and inventing a strawman ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #215

No, no, don't bother. reusrename Jun 2013 #224

Changing the subject, inventing a strawman, and adding an insult ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #238

Most folks think he was behind the coup in Honduras shortly after Obama was sworn in. reusrename Jun 2013 #247

Otto Reich, Iran/Contra guru, now behind smearing Snowden. reusrename Jun 2013 #229

Just FYI, they are alerting on everything they don't like these days. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #85

LOL! Those babies will dish it out, but go squealing to work the refs when they get challenged. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #105

Too funny. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #126

It is obvious to those 6 jurors they just do not understand how really benign all this secret spying RC Jun 2013 #172

+100000 Witness the propaganda machine. woo me with science Jun 2013 #244

Oh, most of them know. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #8

How do you not understand this? randome Jun 2013 #9

Why is your email your own personal data? It's not even stored on your computer? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #12

What does email have to do with this? randome Jun 2013 #19

What can the government do? OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #39

Your link is about wiretaps. The NSA does not wiretap. The FBI does and with a warrant. randome Jun 2013 #95

The link is about what the government can do with our information siligut Jun 2013 #231

Anyone can do anything. Laws prevent nothing. randome Jun 2013 #239

You say metadata isn't protected Coccydynia Jun 2013 #45

I don't know. randome Jun 2013 #92

I suspect you are equating phone records Coccydynia Jun 2013 #106

Really. Please provide a link to a court case well over a hundred years old Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #117

I can't find anything older than United States v. Miller (1976) and Smith v. Maryland (1979). randome Jun 2013 #131

34 and 37 years are not "well over 100" Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #251

That's why I said I would stop referring to 100 years. randome Jun 2013 #255

Yes - I have read the court order. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #258

And the NSA cannot look at that data unless they have a warrant. randome Jun 2013 #262

I am really sorry you had such a lousy civics instructor in high school Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #269

So nothing held in cloud storage is personal data, either? marble falls Jun 2013 #154

I don't know. But why would it be? Coccydynia Jun 2013 #155

Gee, maybe you should read Apple's (as one example) disclosure of their iCloud privacy policies spooky3 Jun 2013 #165

Would this be the Apple that permits Coccydynia Jun 2013 #182

How to tell when you've won the argument: the other person resorts to distraction & irrelevancies. spooky3 Jun 2013 #187

Rubber-stamped dragnets are a problem. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #18

Are you referring to the FISA courts? randome Jun 2013 #22

There's no evidence they are NOT spying on whoever the hell they damn well please. L0oniX Jun 2013 #30

The NSA is a bureaucratic organization. randome Jun 2013 #94

It's not about Snowden. It's about the track record of the US. We were spied on durring the 60's. L0oniX Jun 2013 #96

Show us some evidence and I'll believe that. randome Jun 2013 #133

Surveiling innocent people is unconstitutional. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #29

Again, show me the evidence that this is being done. randome Jun 2013 #97

Look up some info on Thin Thread and Stellar Wind Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #110

Binney says "his view" and "ability". And he's been out of the NSA for some time. randome Jun 2013 #136

In other words, nothing qualifies as evidence. Got it. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #169

There you go, automatically assuming there is a 'total surveillance apparatus'. randome Jun 2013 #178

Well apparently WaPo is fooled too... Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #186

There are claims and suppositions. No evidence to support the idea... randome Jun 2013 #189

The testimony of experts who know, is evidence. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #191

Tice helped expose Bush's warrantless wiretapping. randome Jun 2013 #199

Tice talks to his sources in the NSA, do you doubt that he has them? n/t Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #205

I don't know Tice personally. Do you? randome Jun 2013 #210

Btw to all: the new name for Stellar Wind is SHELL TRUMPET Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #209

"The phone metadata is not your personal property" sibelian Jun 2013 #34

The lack of a "statute" doesn't overrule the obvious. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #47

Understand this. "You are a silly person." sgtbenobo Jun 2013 #42

is that the Utah complex? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #46

Yessireee! sgtbenobo Jun 2013 #49

Mind if I taunt you the first time IrishAyes Jun 2013 #56

Oh, if only I was that bright. sgtbenobo Jun 2013 #66

I'm don't usually indulge unless someone's smarting off at another person - or at me. IrishAyes Jun 2013 #80

Good IT jobs, wonder how many ac/heater techs there will be? Those won't be bad either. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #59

But ctsnowman Jun 2013 #145

Actually, Randome is the Only One on This Thread On the Road Jun 2013 #180

Still pushing that meme. Then explain why if I stalk my neighbor's phone activity and collect and sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #107

First of all, how would you 'stalk' your neighbor's telephone usage? randome Jun 2013 #135

I doubt that any amount of evidence will break you out of your denial bubble. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #216

More PowerPoint slides? randome Jun 2013 #230

The fact that you are so sure it's ridiculous that our government would spy on us rhett o rick Jun 2013 #235

I am positive about nothing regarding the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #240

You left out a group that includes yourself. Group C that is determined to disparage Snowden and rhett o rick Jun 2013 #241

Not at all. randome Jun 2013 #257

Most of what you say are lies. You are making claims about him to suit your denial agenda. Put your rhett o rick Jun 2013 #264

But the external line which is tapped into in a wiretap is? Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #114

The line itself is not a third-party business record. randome Jun 2013 #137

But you've changed your criteria. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #250

I don't get you. Business records are not your personal property. randome Jun 2013 #254

Correct. The phone line accessed in wiretapping is not Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #259

Hey, I don't make the laws. randome Jun 2013 #261

No. I want you to understand that personal property Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #270

Phone records belong to the service provider, period. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #152

Villagers with pitchforks and torches. randome Jun 2013 #156

True, but the meta data is or rather was the private property of the phone company. RC Jun 2013 #174

That was Bush. Excluding Qwest from a government contract is about the least amount of 'pressure'. randome Jun 2013 #177

He didn't. He went to prison for refusing to violate the law. RC Jun 2013 #183

BUT WHAT ABOUT SNOWDEN?????? FourScore Jun 2013 #13

Thank you. Got into a long "discussion" a couple days ago with an snappyturtle Jun 2013 #20

I think the whole purpose is to wear you down zeemike Jun 2013 #25

It's bullying. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #61

bullying is precisely the correct word. 100% content-free... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #68

11 hidden posts and you're giving etiquette lessons? Number23 Jun 2013 #263

Sorry, Sgt. Bonobo got me started on this IrishAyes Jun 2013 #81

No problem...I appreciate being corrected when I make a mistake. zeemike Jun 2013 #91

As said before, I don't usually indulge except to avoid saying something even worse IrishAyes Jun 2013 #138

Why I called it a mind fuck the other day nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #83

But I read all wars are over and everybody has universal health care, LOL Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #26

Oh, that one was classic. Marr Jun 2013 #115

But but but we don't want to wait for a mushroom cloud or a dirty bomb in a suit case. L0oniX Jun 2013 #27

I was surprised ctsnowman Jun 2013 #149

I wanted to draw a link to the same propaganda type used to justify the NSA. L0oniX Jun 2013 #190

I have yet ctsnowman Jun 2013 #218

- L0oniX Jun 2013 #219

We can all be ready for the dirty bomb suitcase by RC Jun 2013 #184

LOL L0oniX Jun 2013 #188

You're the rock, since you think you know it all treestar Jun 2013 #28

Case law says ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #73

Great point. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #273

You claim that our government isnt spying because you are sure your Big Brother Authoritarian DAddy rhett o rick Jun 2013 #88

To answer your last question - many current day truedelphi Jul 2013 #271

Oh Noes!!! You got better things to do! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #31

Under the NDAA 2014, a new agency is being formed specifically to analyze data and metadata. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #32

i'm sure the definition of "terrorist" is as pliable as the definition of "collecting data" nashville_brook Jun 2013 #69

As is directly evidenced: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #70

Thank you for entering this into the discussion here. truedelphi Jul 2013 #272

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #38

The government claims that they do have the right to do this Progressive dog Jun 2013 #40

No court has told them they are wrong truebluegreen Jun 2013 #141

They can if the secret program has non secret results Progressive dog Jun 2013 #146

That's the point. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #151

I trust my elected officials to do all kinds of things. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #159

Are you for real? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #163

yes, but I'm not too sure about you Progressive dog Jun 2013 #167

Obama also claimed FiSA constituted "oversight" truebluegreen Jun 2013 #170

Give me a link on where a Congressman claims Clapper lied under oath Progressive dog Jun 2013 #171

I'm sure you won't give this any credence truebluegreen Jun 2013 #173

Link? Oh I get it, the congressmen that you thought backed Progressive dog Jun 2013 #175

you wrote "The "majority of Congress" doesn't even know what is going on." Progressive dog Jul 2013 #276

Congressional oversight is a joke. First of all, many in Congress support spying on the masses. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #274

So you don't support democracy or our constitutional form of government Progressive dog Jul 2013 #275

"So you don't support democracy or our constitutional form of government" Really? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #277

Okay, then you just know more than congress Progressive dog Jul 2013 #278

This is not a priority for most of the Senators Progressive dog Jun 2013 #161

"Most of the Senators" don't know squat, that's the point. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #166

See my other reply, where the President Progressive dog Jun 2013 #168

Since my aversion to RW media, I have to come here to find out what they've been up to. IrishAyes Jun 2013 #43

haha! Whisp Jun 2013 #55

Records of your phone calls are property of MineralMan Jun 2013 #48

To obtain probable cause you examine published information intaglio Jun 2013 #50

Just because your call may be handled by more than one service provider, does not change anything. RC Jun 2013 #193

It changes everything no matter how you may wish otherwise intaglio Jun 2013 #226

I am a rock. Whisp Jun 2013 #51

I am an island. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #74

Perennial teen angst/wishful thinking IrishAyes Jun 2013 #82

I generally come with Phlem Jun 2013 #123

Simon was ambivalent about the song AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #125

I am Rockbiter. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #120

Well said, thank you. You would think it would be a simple thing for people to figure out sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #52

We are the same Illy Billy Jun 2013 #54

+1000 blackspade Jun 2013 #58

Multiple Supreme Court rulings have affirmed, rightly or wrongly, cheapdate Jun 2013 #60

But these are a very different type of phone data. truedelphi Jun 2013 #89

Yes, the content of the communications IS collected along with the metadata. cheapdate Jun 2013 #93

Maybe we do, but that information is still private as far as the government is concerned, if it has RC Jun 2013 #194

Maybe you're right cheapdate Jun 2013 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author cynzke Jun 2013 #63

We've got our eye on you. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #64

"Then to store this data for future querying in criminal cases is fucking scary." Progressive dog Jun 2013 #71

I am afraid I do not understand the world you live in. truedelphi Jun 2013 #90

The world I live in is known as reality. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #128

You keep saying the world you living is known as reality, RC Jun 2013 #196

Learn to read, then you can play gotcha nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #198

It takes more than reading. RC Jun 2013 #200

The voices in your head are not comprehension Progressive dog Jun 2013 #201

Sorry, but I don't have any voices in my head. RC Jun 2013 #220

In other words, you get to make stuff up Progressive dog Jun 2013 #222

Apparently your reading comprehension has been compromised. RC Jun 2013 #223

That unfortunately is right, RC. truedelphi Jun 2013 #211

It might be scary but its necessary and legal.. DCBob Jun 2013 #72

What they are doing is illegal Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #132

Anybody have any proof of that? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #232

well its been discussed here numerous times over the past couple of weeks.. DCBob Jun 2013 #237

That was actually my point. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #253

There have been some court cases in the past.. that what the discussions were about. DCBob Jun 2013 #256

The current law is not secret, but the way it is being interpreted is. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #260

Kick Scuba Jun 2013 #75

Look at the polls.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #78

The rocks I hate arguing with are metamorphic rocks. Apophis Jun 2013 #79

Ha! nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #84

Shame on you - bad, bad, bad! Nay Jun 2013 #142

White House Down classykaren Jun 2013 #86

You're not arguing with rocks. Your're arguing with shills. Maven Jun 2013 #87

When you cite the Constitution, the terrorists win. Karmadillo Jun 2013 #98

+10 RC Jun 2013 #202

LOL n/t Oilwellian Jun 2013 #246

Appellate court decisions disagree with you, and since they are the experts on the Constitution... stevenleser Jun 2013 #101

Actually, the appellate courts are split on what constitutes "expectation of privacy," leveymg Jun 2013 #103

The Courts already hold Foreign espionage/terrorism is an exception to the 4th amendment for electro stevenleser Jun 2013 #104

We are not talking about Foreign Intel, we are talking about Domestic Intel. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #108

No, it is your opinion that it is domestic intel. The intended purpose is National Security stevenleser Jun 2013 #109

Why is this so hard for you to understand? My Verizon calls from the US within the US sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #111

You can rephrase it as many ways as you want, it's still your opinion and neither of us has seen stevenleser Jun 2013 #113

You can reframe it as a protocol matter as many times as you want. It's still a matter of faith that GoneFishin Jun 2013 #139

Especially Rock Paulbots Blue Owl Jun 2013 #102

K&R! Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #116

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2013 #118

K&R! Phlem Jun 2013 #122

Well, if nothing else, you've served up fodder for the cave dwellers. Atman Jun 2013 #127

Yeah, boston bean is just like them. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #234

If you had said the same thing in 2007 - not one single person here would have disagreed with you Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #130

It's STUNNING, bb... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #140

They ain't Democrats. kentuck Jun 2013 #143

IOW... there are no boundaries in this or any other nation where one finds "yes-man"s... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #192

Keep in mind that governments that build surveillance infrastructures woo me with science Jun 2013 #242

Excellent point, woo MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #265

"arguing with rocks"=accept my position because I'm not changing it. great white snark Jun 2013 #144

There is no "case law". The Rocks want to sweep this whole mess under the rug. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #147

Yes, there is treestar Jun 2013 #206

You cant take out the position of "let's investigate more" too soon. Some here rhett o rick Jun 2013 #208

BINGO! RC Jun 2013 #214

Hmmm. sofa king Jun 2013 #150

I haven't read the many, many ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #157

The difference is choice. I can choose to give a corporation my information or not. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #195

When did you opt ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #243

GREAT POST! But people here are clueless. If Obama does it it is OK. No questions asked! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #162

My dear bean, consider the possibility that you may be arguing with plants, as well as rocks. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #181

Well said. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #245

Dear Gawd, thank you for making boston bean so smart. Signed a very grateful mother. midnight Jun 2013 #185

I've been here a long time and have learned much from people I disagreed with tavalon Jun 2013 #197

Thousands of Iranians demonstrating felix_numinous Jun 2013 #203

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #204

and we can be against spying but pro.obama- Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #213

OMG bb, now theyre going to think you hate PO. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #228

Kicked & Recommended In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #233

PROPAGANDA woo me with science Jun 2013 #236

How many of our rights enumerated in the eponymous Bill are absolute? n/t Orsino Jun 2013 #248

Rocks always win these arguments because they are so persistent. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #252

Boston Bean doesn't have this problem. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #266

And what is the point of that? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #267

kick Zorra Jul 2013 #268

Exactly how I feel about Paula Deen defenders. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #279

Holy shit, do I ever agree. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #280