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In reply to the discussion: Post proof of Glen Greenwald's scandalous lies here [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)10. Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths"
Greenwald:
(2) Whether domestic assassinations are imminent is irrelevant to the debate
The primary means of mocking Paul's concerns was to deride the notion that Obama is about to unleash drone attacks and death squads on US soil aimed at Americans. But nobody, including Paul, suggested that was the case. To focus on that attack is an absurd strawman, a deliberate distraction from the real issues, a total irrelevancy...First, the reason this question matters so much - can the President target US citizens for assassination without due process on US soil? - is because it demonstrates just how radical the Obama administration's theories of executive power are. Once you embrace the premises of everything they do in this area - we are a Nation at War; the entire globe is the battlefield; the president is vested with the unchecked power to use force against anyone he accuses of involvement with Terrorism - then there is no cogent, coherent way to say that the president lacks the power to assassinate even US citizens on US soil. That conclusion is the necessary, logical outcome of the premises that have been embraced. That's why it is so vital to ask that.
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The primary means of mocking Paul's concerns was to deride the notion that Obama is about to unleash drone attacks and death squads on US soil aimed at Americans. But nobody, including Paul, suggested that was the case. To focus on that attack is an absurd strawman, a deliberate distraction from the real issues, a total irrelevancy...First, the reason this question matters so much - can the President target US citizens for assassination without due process on US soil? - is because it demonstrates just how radical the Obama administration's theories of executive power are. Once you embrace the premises of everything they do in this area - we are a Nation at War; the entire globe is the battlefield; the president is vested with the unchecked power to use force against anyone he accuses of involvement with Terrorism - then there is no cogent, coherent way to say that the president lacks the power to assassinate even US citizens on US soil. That conclusion is the necessary, logical outcome of the premises that have been embraced. That's why it is so vital to ask that.
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Um, bullshit!
The President is advocating a drone strike program in America. All we have to compare it with is the drone strike program overseas.
http://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/309465276863365120
http://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/309465276863365120
Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022485711
Disappointing those who 'stand with Rand'
By Steve Benen
In March, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) launched a high-profile filibuster on the Senate floor, bringing attention to drone strikes and civil liberties questions that too often go ignored. But as the spectacle faded, a problem emerged -- Paul didn't seem to fully understand the issue he ostensibly cares so much about.
The Kentucky Republican wanted to know if the Obama administration feels it has the authority to "use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil." Attorney General Eric Holders said the "answer to that question is no." For many involved in the debate, the answer was superficial and incomplete -- who gets to define what constitutes "combat"? what about non-weaponized drones? -- but Paul declared victory and walked away satisfied.
Today, the senator went further, saying he's comfortable with drones being used over U.S. soil if the executive branch decides -- without a warrant or oversight -- there's an "imminent threat." Paul told Fox News:
I realize it's difficult to explore complex policy questions in detail during a brief television interview, and perhaps if the Republican senator had more time to think about it, he might explain his position differently. But as of this afternoon, it sounds like Rand Paul is comfortable with the executive branch having the warrantless authority to use weaponized drones to kill people on American soil suspected of robbing a liquor store.
But flying over a hot tub is where he draws the line.
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http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/23/17881782-disappointing-those-who-stand-with-rand
By Steve Benen
In March, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) launched a high-profile filibuster on the Senate floor, bringing attention to drone strikes and civil liberties questions that too often go ignored. But as the spectacle faded, a problem emerged -- Paul didn't seem to fully understand the issue he ostensibly cares so much about.
The Kentucky Republican wanted to know if the Obama administration feels it has the authority to "use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil." Attorney General Eric Holders said the "answer to that question is no." For many involved in the debate, the answer was superficial and incomplete -- who gets to define what constitutes "combat"? what about non-weaponized drones? -- but Paul declared victory and walked away satisfied.
Today, the senator went further, saying he's comfortable with drones being used over U.S. soil if the executive branch decides -- without a warrant or oversight -- there's an "imminent threat." Paul told Fox News:
"...I've never argued against any technology being used when you an imminent threat, an active crime going on. If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him. But it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities."
I realize it's difficult to explore complex policy questions in detail during a brief television interview, and perhaps if the Republican senator had more time to think about it, he might explain his position differently. But as of this afternoon, it sounds like Rand Paul is comfortable with the executive branch having the warrantless authority to use weaponized drones to kill people on American soil suspected of robbing a liquor store.
But flying over a hot tub is where he draws the line.
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http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/23/17881782-disappointing-those-who-stand-with-rand
Drones to kill people "suspected of robbing a liquor store."
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Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, none of it constitutes any proof of anything.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#12
If that mattered to the effect of propaganda upon discourse, there would be no Fox News. nt
patrice
Jun 2013
#26
It's beyond belief tht you would repost that list of links all of which have been successfully
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#32
The answers to your repetitive questions have also been posted many, many times.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#42
He asked for proof of lies. What we are getting is the same old now long ago debunked
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#34
I like it here just fine, being that I AM a Democrat. Got anything on actual substance to offer? I
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#41
You forgot Freeperville not that any of that is relevent to the current discussion
think
Jun 2013
#43
So you are siding with the Corp-Media on this? Shoot the messangers when it looks bad for
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#23
People-power wins thru usable fact-based analysis and good goals -- not thru ideological purity
struggle4progress
Jun 2013
#27
You dont want facts. You want to disparage Snowden and ignore the facts related
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#28
The OP invites discussion of Mr Greenwald, whom I dislike, more or less precisely because IMO
struggle4progress
Jun 2013
#30
You side with the Republicans. You side with Clapper and Mueller, both Republican liars. How
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#31
You're blowing smoke out your ass: you can't produce a link showing I've praised either of them, and
struggle4progress
Jun 2013
#38
Good, I agree with that. Fact based being the operative words there. Documentation is key to
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#37
Please list the names of liquor store robbers that have been attacked by drone strikes.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#16
I'm talking about the oft-alleged lies of Greenwaldand not about liquor stores.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#17