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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:44 PM

Jun 2013

There were no controls on presidents whatsoever. You've been linked to the Duggan case several times.

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The FISA Court is deplorable shite and has no fucking place in a democracy [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

Well stated. Recommended. nt sibelian Jun 2013 #1

k&r MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #2

What's wrong with a secret interpretation of law being "monitored" by secret Bonobo Jun 2013 #3

according to many duers, not a damned thing. cali Jun 2013 #5

It's NOT the government behind the spying, it's corporate contractors. fasttense Jun 2013 #6

oh please. it's both. and it's the government leading the way. cali Jun 2013 #35

K&R newfie11 Jun 2013 #4

knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #7

So, how do you propose we fix that problem? DCBob Jun 2013 #8

How about appointing an attorney in every case to oppose the government? cali Jun 2013 #10

Yes, I think changes like that should be discussed and might work. DCBob Jun 2013 #11

That's a joke, right? Narkos Jun 2013 #12

It would surely bring down the unemployment rate. reusrename Jun 2013 #61

Oh right because treestar Jun 2013 #64

Change the law. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #58

But what about worshiping Snowden? East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #9

Really? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #14

I didn't think I needed the sarcasm smilie. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #15

My bad! Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #23

No problem. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #25

Getting ENTIRELY impossible to tell now... sibelian Jun 2013 #27

Spooky is what it is. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #41

Correct. Secrecy and democracy have nothing to do with each other. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #13

So no more infiltrating the KKK or trying to catch child predators or organized crime? randome Jun 2013 #17

Why not arrest them all? Violent murderers and assholes you don't need to fuck around with. bemildred Jun 2013 #18

You can't arrest someone until you have evidence. randome Jun 2013 #24

These are totalitarian police state tactics, Sir. bemildred Jun 2013 #26

Often there are cases where there is "evidence" but not enough to file charges or make an arrest.. DCBob Jun 2013 #29

Right, and then you leave them alone and respect their rights until you get evidence. bemildred Jun 2013 #31

Right, but the FBI might be listening to their phone calls to get that evidence. DCBob Jun 2013 #33

Quite. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #34

You do not 'leave alone' a suspected child molester. You try to get evidence. randome Jun 2013 #39

Your suspicion does not give you any rights to infringe someone elses rights. Period. bemildred Jun 2013 #66

They don't need to break the law. sibelian Jun 2013 #28

Like Snowden did? randome Jun 2013 #47

The na�vet� is stunning, isn't it! treestar Jun 2013 #65

The process, so I've heard on DU... randome Jun 2013 #16

You make it sound like the problem caseymoz Jun 2013 #19

excellent point. The approval rate cali Jun 2013 #21

Courts have a similar approval rate, though caseymoz Jun 2013 #60

"1,856 requests resulting in almost 34,000 warrants issued" JaneyVee Jun 2013 #20

gotta link to your claims? cali Jun 2013 #22

You mean a "leak" to her claim... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #30

Leaked stuff? Metadata collection isn't new. And there are more sources on this than just JaneyVee Jun 2013 #43

"And there are more sources on this than just the government" Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #48

You can find out about all the judges on FISC, they are public JaneyVee Jun 2013 #53

you need some purty blue links Skittles Jun 2013 #62

You'd prefer that government not answer your questions? randome Jun 2013 #44

I've yet to see an attempt to reveal undercover agents other than from Cheney. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #46

We all want more transparency and less secrecy with the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #49

I guess you know from our prior interactions that I pretty much share that view. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #52

Yes, it is easy to get caught up in one side or another. randome Jun 2013 #57

You really think they meticulously perused all 34,000 warrents? East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #38

The judges are the ones who split the warrants, not the FedGov. So I guess, being that JaneyVee Jun 2013 #50

+1000000 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #32

good morning Catherina cali Jun 2013 #37

Good morning to you lol! Catherina Jun 2013 #45

So ProSense Jun 2013 #36

I'm saying reform it. cali Jun 2013 #42

That's the rub, I think. We cannot know exactly what to reform, since HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #56

Wow, what is all the timbling about, the Fourth Amendment is being followed and now there are Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #40

Agreed. Call your Congressman Recursion Jun 2013 #51

fortunately, I don't have to. that his position cali Jun 2013 #54

Fair enough. And mine can't vote, though she agrees (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #55

Before FISA was passed there were no checks on the Executive treestar Jun 2013 #59

Except that before it treestar Jun 2013 #63