Yea well I don't control who is calling what "terrorism". A witch hunt in the USA is not acceptable (Reply #121)

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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:50 PM

L0oniX (31,493 posts)

121. Yea well I don't control who is calling what "terrorism". A witch hunt in the USA is not acceptable

now or ever. Occupy = terrorists, save the whale = terrorists, save the trees = terrorists, protect the land = terrorists. I am not afraid of those kinds of terrorists. I'm more concerned about the idiot texting while driving than any real terrorist. It's irrational to spend so damned much money on a secret unaccountable monster over a band of maybe 3000 criminals. The damned power hungry military monsters have used 911 and everything since to build themselves up. Our country starts this shit by interfering with other countries, killing innocent people which creates more terrorists and then they want to spy on me? Some husband who had his family killed by one of our drones decides to get back at the US. That's not a terrorist. Our military plants a base in an Islamic country and it pisses off the Muslims and we thumb our noses at em ...they attack us and they are terrorists? I fear what our own government is doing much more than any real terrorists. Everyone can go play the fearful soccer mom but leave me the hell out of it.

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Isn't it amusing to see all the Obama defenders ignoring the issue of mass surveillance? [View all]	cali	Jun 2013	OP
maybe people should post more on Wyden, Udall and Leahy	JI7	Jun 2013	#1
Why haven't we heard from Snowden?	Maximumnegro	Jun 2013	#3
I've posted lots on Leahy and Wyden. Those OPs sink like little stones.	cali	Jun 2013	#4
maybe because people don't really have a problem with what they are saying	JI7	Jun 2013	#5
Maybe because keeping threads on snowden nice and frothy	sibelian	Jun 2013	#18
+1,000,000 nt	Andy823	Jun 2013	#66
Funny, haven't seem you starting or posting much in any threads about anything proactive.	KittyWampus	Jun 2013	#74
Ah. Others should not post so everyone will be forced to read what you want.	aquart	Jun 2013	#83
So what do you have a problem with in what they are saying? You are willing to give up your liberty	rhett o rick	Jun 2013	#132
liberty	kardonb	Jun 2013	#160
And how do you know they are "keeping track of ill-wishers and and conspiracies to do our country	rhett o rick	Jun 2013	#192
Really? Haven't seem those posts. You make it seem like you've started many OP on them…	KittyWampus	Jun 2013	#72
Oh, disingenuous GARBAGE	sibelian	Jun 2013	#17
World Net Daily as a resource.	OnyxCollie	Jun 2013	#152
Why don't you post something on Wyden, Udall and Leahy? Lots has been posted, right here	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#55
Lots? Sorry, it isn't lots.	KittyWampus	Jun 2013	#76
Were you around during the Bush years when they were implementing these policies?	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#78
About the only things BHO has done wrong are the continuance of any of junior's initiatives,	indepat	Jun 2013	#100
Sabrina the problem with Bush was that his way was clearly illegal because he was	cstanleytech	Jun 2013	#122
I remember exactly what Bush did. Then they changed the FISA law by adding an amendment	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#128
Oh I was around and I disagree with granting him immunity from it still however	cstanleytech	Jun 2013	#136
No law trumps the Constitution. Not that it hasn't been tried in the past. So I do not accept it as	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#145
Until a court says the law is or was unconstitutional its the law just like how	cstanleytech	Jun 2013	#148
I gather then that you think . . .	markpkessinger	Jun 2013	#165
No, the courts do make mistakes like Dred Scott v. Sandford	cstanleytech	Jun 2013	#193
You say, "Until a court ..." If you are a legal expert, where's your legal authority for that?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#170
Courts adjudicate.	OilemFirchen	Jun 2013	#172
It looks like you have a word salad.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#176
Not clear, are you saying you approve of the Bush spy machine currently being used by the government	rhett o rick	Jun 2013	#133
In listening to Attorney Stone debate Glenn Greenwald, it seemed to me	truedelphi	Jun 2013	#130
What they can't ignore are	Maximumnegro	Jun 2013	#2
make shit up much? There have been few of those	cali	Jun 2013	#7
Can we see those statisics?	OilemFirchen	Jun 2013	#45
Actually the number of posts claiming "hero" and "message, not messenger" have remained	sibelian	Jun 2013	#15
Looks like you got nothing. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2013	#131
I think it would be better to separate the issue both from Obama and Snowden	Douglas Carpenter	Jun 2013	#6
Of course it would. And I've tried to do that in post after post	cali	Jun 2013	#8
that irritated me too... I have not been excessively critical of President Obama nor have you -	Douglas Carpenter	Jun 2013	#10
I have generally been respectful of the President and have repeatedly	cali	Jun 2013	#12
Not for one moment will I separate the President from this.	mick063	Jun 2013	#34
Some say that everthing being done is legal. 18 U.S.C. § 2511 says that it is not.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#67
Right	mick063	Jun 2013	#94
You mean the part of 18 U.S.C. § 2511 which states...	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#119
Is so, start with FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#137
What probable cause was presented before a court, with evidence of wrong doing to justify the	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#143
Since we are dealing with the particular law the other poster offered, none is needed. It's an	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#144
There is no exception to the 4th Amendment unless there has been some kind of coup.	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#146
Since you are not an expert on Constitutional law your opinion on the subject is irrelevant	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#147
I'm not an expert on Constitutional law.	OnyxCollie	Jun 2013	#158
Well said. But someone is being willfully ignorant.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#171
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something,	OnyxCollie	Jun 2013	#179
Sorry ignored, I cannot read your response. nt	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#159
Don't worry. You're not missing anything	ConservativeDemocrat	Jun 2013	#161
That's one of a couple of standard responses, sadly.	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#167
It would be truly interesting to have a debate...	ConservativeDemocrat	Jun 2013	#189
'The oddest thing is the absolute pure anti-Democratic party hatred.'	freshwest	Sep 2013	#202
Aww.	OnyxCollie	Jun 2013	#183
You haven't answered my question. We are talking about Domestic Intel	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#162
I've said the same thing to you under different OPs. It's your opinion that this constitutes	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#163
I don't care who signed off on it. Every respected Civil Liberties Lawyer I know along with	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#164
Did those lawyers who commented see the warrant? I'll be they haven't and are guessing.	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#166
What warrant are you talking about? We all saw the warrant, or what was supposed to be the warrant.	sabrina 1	Jun 2013	#168
Sabrina I strongly recommend that you read stevenlesser's NSA piece	ucrdem	Jun 2013	#177
K&R... I think if anyone doubted before how creepy and authoritarian our government has become	woo me with science	Jun 2013	#9
excellent point	marions ghost	Jun 2013	#33
Thank you, cali. These either or folks are precisely the kinds of people	JDPriestly	Jun 2013	#11
It boggles the mind that we have such a large contingent of	cali	Jun 2013	#14
"love it or leave it" = idiots. Here's one of my fav quotes...	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#38
what a great quote. I'll remember that	cali	Jun 2013	#47
Actually I don't think it's very amusing at all.	sibelian	Jun 2013	#13
I hear you.	cali	Jun 2013	#16
What's amusing is how many posts along this theme there are....	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2013	#19
What really gripes me is they wouldn't be doing those things if this were 5 years ago	MotherPetrie	Jun 2013	#20
Isn't it amusing that people don't acknoweldge that President Obama put restrictions in	graham4anything	Jun 2013	#21
absolute bull shit.	cali	Jun 2013	#24
Polls show- America is OK with the whole thing. Keeping America safe is the #1 concern of the	graham4anything	Jun 2013	#25
If polls showed 99% of Americans approving, I'd still know they were wrong.	cali	Jun 2013	#28
Field of Dreams. If you build it, they will come.	graham4anything	Jun 2013	#29
oh, so the Vietnam war had a legitimate purpose?	cali	Jun 2013	#30
+1	Snotcicles	Jun 2013	#26
True, and pithy.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#173
Obama Defenders? In MY Democratic Underground?!	Scootaloo	Jun 2013	#22
Yep. It's already devolved into that and the 2014 elections haven't even started.	BlueCaliDem	Jun 2013	#75
It's as if a group of DUers have turned into NSA corporate contractors	fasttense	Jun 2013	#23
Good point...It's the Private Contractors who can sell info to whomever they wish to...	KoKo	Jun 2013	#31
Exactly right. Contractors and their employees are in it for the money. There is no way that	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#180
Well there are cops, military and other gov DU members ...and the cult of personallity.	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#42
+100 nt	Mojorabbit	Jun 2013	#174
How Soon....	cynzke	Jun 2013	#182
I guess some people are simply willing to give a bit of privacy for security.	DCBob	Jun 2013	#27
It's not "a bit of your privacy" though. And, while it may not bother you...	KoKo	Jun 2013	#32
No doubt there are some issues of concern but thats not a reason to trash the entire system.	DCBob	Jun 2013	#110
So should those who are brave give up privacy so the insecure can feel safe?	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#40
what you call brave others might call naive.	DCBob	Jun 2013	#108
Home of the naive huh ...nice modification. Must be just muscial lip service eh?	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#112
Theres are plenty of things we need to be brave about..	DCBob	Jun 2013	#113
Yea well I don't control who is calling what "terrorism". A witch hunt in the USA is not acceptable	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#121
I can help you with that...	DCBob	Jun 2013	#125
How many "Al-Qaeda" terrorists do you think exist? Are they killing more people than the number of	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#127
Did you ever consider..	DCBob	Jun 2013	#129
It is more than a bit. I also question whether it is for security.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#48
And those people	ohheckyeah	Jun 2013	#58
That might have been Dick Cheney's favorite quote.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#181
Not hardly...	ohheckyeah	Jun 2013	#196
The phrase "deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" is the attitude that I would expect of Dick Cheney.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#197
Your town of DC lives by this sort of thing, Bob. You did not 'give' your privacy	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2013	#91
I can assure no one here feels like they are living with a "blankie and warm security milk".	DCBob	Jun 2013	#109
I call it partisanitis, and it is klilling the country	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2013	#35
Here is Joy Reid on Glenn Greenwald:	Whisp	Jun 2013	#36
Blame Snowden. Snowden through his drip, drip, drip of leaks puts continuing focus	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#37
I would say that those who don't care about my privacy rights also don't care what happens here.	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#41
When the first suitcase bomber sets off a dirty nuclear bomb in a major city,	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#50
There is no such thing. That is a baseless fear mongering hypo.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#51
"There is no such thing." The Federation of American Scientists disagrees with you.	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#53
You should read up on it.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#59
You should read up on it -- from a scientific source.	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#62
That article is explicit in addressing a radiological attack, not a nuclear suitcase bomb.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#73
A dirty bomb with nuclear materials is often referred to as a suitcase bomb. It requires	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#79
It is not a nuclear bomb, though. Not even a dirty nuclear bomb.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#81
It is called a dirty bomb or a dirty nuclear bomb. And it is something to fear.	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#84
Rinse and repeat talking points, even when they fail.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#86
You're the expert on that. n/t	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#87
Hahaha!!!	Major Hogwash	Jun 2013	#101
So is the "they are spying on us" stuff	treestar	Jun 2013	#64
Are you an associate of Kindasleaza Rice?	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#52
No. But I followed the Senate testimony.	pnwmom	Jun 2013	#54
Not worth responding too. Enjoy your fear.	L0oniX	Jun 2013	#56
we used to laugh at people like you back in the day..	frylock	Jun 2013	#126
Sorry you're so afraid, but you have no right to take mine away. nt	wtmusic	Jun 2013	#184
There is more to come. No doubt it will include foreign and domestic actions.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#49
Oh yeah, authoritarian goons are hilarious, and it's all a big pile o' laughs	kenny blankenship	Jun 2013	#39
Call out of Obama Defenders on DU	treestar	Jun 2013	#43
He doesn't have the votes	Stinky The Clown	Jun 2013	#60
How does a law pass without a Congressional vote?	treestar	Jun 2013	#61
What a cheap shit cop out. You do this over and over.	Stinky The Clown	Jun 2013	#82
YOU don't get it	treestar	Jun 2013	#124
"Lead" . . . . . look it up.	Stinky The Clown	Jun 2013	#149
It is sad.	Lady Freedom Returns	Jun 2013	#185
See Jill Simpson's piece attacking the National Security Complex & calling upon POTUS to investigate	Cliff Arnebeck	Jun 2013	#44
But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2013	#46
Far from amusing.	AmBlue	Jun 2013	#57
Is Snowden is jail yet?	DontTreadOnMe	Jun 2013	#63
I keep hoping to hear that he is.	Lady Freedom Returns	Jun 2013	#186
I'm discouraged by the belief in belief that there is a single definition of liberal or Democratic	loyalsister	Jun 2013	#65
While I strongly support economic justice, an applaud others that do including politicians even when	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2013	#104
That's not fair. They're also obsessed with Glen Greenwald.	DirkGently	Jun 2013	#68
Its not amusing. Its disturbing and sad	NoOneMan	Jun 2013	#69
SO> you start a thread attacking other DU'ers BUT where's your threads on Feinstein's legislation?	KittyWampus	Jun 2013	#70
do you mean Leahy's legislation? Because Feinstein hasn't introduced any legislation	cali	Jun 2013	#95
boy, does it figure you wouldn't respond to my post responding to this	cali	Jun 2013	#102
More scary than amusing. Imagine if they were a majority?	Skip Intro	Jun 2013	#71
Breaking	ProSense	Jun 2013	#77
Nice to see you have everyone in their proper boxes tied up neatly with a bow.	Buzz Clik	Jun 2013	#80
Amusing you ignored it until Glenn and Ed told you to jump.	DevonRex	Jun 2013	#85
Except I didn't, hon.	cali	Jun 2013	#96
I never saw anybody talk about this when they renewed it in December.	DevonRex	Jun 2013	#106
Frankly,	Waiting For Everyman	Jun 2013	#88
Binney left 2001, Drake in 2007, it's amusing	Progressive dog	Jun 2013	#89
Amusing that I knew who the OP was just by reading the title.	lamp_shade	Jun 2013	#90
Actually, it's pretty disturbing; following charismatic leaders while ignoring common sense	Zorra	Jun 2013	#92
Nothing is Obama's fault. Will you please try to understand that? n-t	Logical	Jun 2013	#93
They are skipping over denials of blanket surveillance now, and declaring it wise and good.	kenny blankenship	Jun 2013	#97
You never pass up an opportunity to attack our president, do you?	kestrel91316	Jun 2013	#98
there is no attack on President Obama here. but you know that.	cali	Jun 2013	#103
You are, by far, the most divisive, corrosive influence on DU.	kestrel91316	Jun 2013	#153
"and no I fucking well do not attack him, dearie."	ProSense	Jun 2013	#157
That is an impressive list, that is	Hekate	Jun 2013	#178
Illogical Fallacy. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2013	#134
I hope that was a satirical compilation of the dumb things	Union Scribe	Jun 2013	#150
Hilarious and insanely frightening.	Safetykitten	Jun 2013	#99
Can't admit its true AND defend the dear government at the same time.	idwiyo	Jun 2013	#105
And you ignore	dennis4868	Jun 2013	#107
No, I just give far more weight to my Senators, Leahy and Sanders	cali	Jun 2013	#111
Who are just as capable of being wrong as anyone else. I've never seen any of those three reference	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#123
More disturbing than amusing.	NaturalHigh	Jun 2013	#114
I'm rather amused at all of the above ignoring the facts of the situation.	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#115
nothing like referring to your own "expert" opinion	cali	Jun 2013	#117
My "opinions" have multiple fact based sources, sources that you are unable to refute.	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#120
Wyden	Eatacig	Jun 2013	#116
And Senator Leahy? Senator Sanders? Senator Udall?	cali	Jun 2013	#118
It is more effective to throw out one deflection.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#139
Here is the legislation Senator Leahy introduced.	ProSense	Jun 2013	#155
But but but GiGi had a brief dalliance with pornography and "Criticism is Racism!(tm)" nt	DRoseDARs	Jun 2013	#135
And now they will ignore President Carter.	morningfog	Jun 2013	#138
Ah, Obama Freedom - That Indescribable Feeling Of Being Coddled In The Warm Glow Of Surveillance	cantbeserious	Jun 2013	#140
I'll speak up	ecstatic	Jun 2013	#141
OMG what surveillance are you talking about?	Sheepshank	Jun 2013	#142
Bravo!	Lady Freedom Returns	Jun 2013	#187
What is one supposed to DO about the "massive, ever expanding national security state"	CakeGrrl	Jun 2013	#151
First thing to do is clarify the OP hyperbole and straw man.	ProSense	Jun 2013	#156
start by supporting Senator Leahy's	cali	Jun 2013	#190
I bet the Obama Defenders have been in love with Obama since even before 2008 or at least 2004	AZ Progressive	Jun 2013	#154
Never mind...	ucrdem	Jun 2013	#169
Give me a break!	Lady Freedom Returns	Jun 2013	#175
Funny, Senator Leahy thinks it's "that big".	cali	Jun 2013	#191
They didn't till they smelled blood in the water.	Lady Freedom Returns	Jun 2013	#199
As I have said before there are three separate issues:	davidpdx	Jun 2013	#188
Well said Cali.	Puglover	Jun 2013	#194
Actually, I Think the Shoe is on the Other Foot	On the Road	Jun 2013	#195
You won't get a fact based response. You will either get an ad-hominem response, or ignored. nt	stevenleser	Jun 2013	#200
K & R !!!	WillyT	Jun 2013	#198
Don't you mean 'most Americans'?	Drunken Irishman	Jun 2013	#201

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