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Whisp

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119. If you haven't, you should see this DU post by msanthrope:
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:20 AM
Jun 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002101211

Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist.
For me, Glenn Greenwald has always been an asshole. There's never been a point in time when I admired him, and then disliked him because of his stance on Obama. I have always found Glenn Greenwald to be unerringly poor at choosing who to associate with, and defend.

Case in point:

Glenn Greenwald made a choice to defend Matthew Hale in a series of civil lawsuits that Hale faced after he encouraged shooter Benjamin Smith to go on a two-state shooting rampage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Nathaniel_Smith

If you don't know who Hale is, well, he's a pretty famous white supremacist who is currently serving 40 years for soliciting the murder of a federal judge who ruled against him in a trademark case. Who put him away? Patrick Fitzgerald. (Yes. And Mr. Greenwald got an FBI visit regarding the passing of coded messages by Hale while under SAMS restrictions.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale

Mr. Hale, for his role in the shootings, was sued by a number of survivors. This included a case filed by two teenage Orthodox Jewish boys. And another case filed by a Black minister. These people were selected by Benjamin Smith because they looked like the religious/ethnic minorities they are.

And Glenn Greenwald called them 'odious and repugnant' for suing his client--


Indeed the Center's suit appears to link Hale's rejection into the bar to Smith's "rampage." In late June, the state bar's Committee on Character and Fitness again denied Hale's petition to join the bar. Smith, who had testified as a character witness for Hale that April, began shooting two days later. "Immediately after the Illinois State Bar's decision and as part of the World Church of the Creator's war, Smith ... began a rampage of genocidal violence," the lawsuit states.

And while Hale himself has linked the shootings to his bar application in the past, he said Tuesday that it's ridiculous to think he had any control over Smith.

SNIP

Further, Greenwald said, "I find that the people behind these lawsuits are truly so odious and repugnant, that creates its own motivation for me."

The first suit, filed in state court by Chicago attorney Michael Ian Bender on behalf of two Orthodox Jewish teens shot at in Rogers Park, is pending, though a circuit judge in Chicago threw out allegations that Smith's parents were somehow responsible for the shootings.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/hale/hale33.html




It wasn't enough that Glenn took the case, which was his right to do. No--he had to insult the Plaintiffs--shooting victims. And then, he unethically taped the witnesses he subpoenaed, even directing their statements. A court found that he violated TWO separate rules--


"The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel's conduct unethical under two separate rules: Local Rule 83.58.4(a)(4), prohibiting "dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;" and Local Rule 83.54.4, stating "a lawyer shall not ... use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of person.""ANDERSON v. HALE 159 F.Supp.2d 1116 (2001)

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=20011275159FSupp2d1116_11178.xml

He also attempted to manipulate the witness statements, per the magistrate's findings of fact-

"A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants' counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use." Anderson v. Hale, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001),




That's right--Glenn Greenwald, self-proclaimed civil rights lawyer, violated the civil right of witnesses. The New York Bar later wrote a clarifying opinion on the ethics of said taping, referencing this case--

http://www2.nycbar.org/Publications/reports/show_html.php?rid=122


And of course, Glenn Greenwald thinks Matthew Hale is wrongly imprisoned by Prosecutor Fitzgerald.

"Mr. Greenwald, who said he believed that Mr. Hale was wrongly imprisoned, said he did not recall the exact message Ms. Hutcheson relayed to him, or the person it was intended for, but that he had declined to deliver it. He called the message "a caricature of what a coded message would be.""

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/09/national/09hale.html?pagewanted=print&position=


I've never been enthralled by Glenn. And I wasn't surprised to find out all this information, either. I wonder where, and if, Mr. Greenwald retains a law license.

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You're attributing motives to a journalist... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #1
doesn't seem he is too objective, how can that be a fair journalist? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #3
The othe poster just stated that his work is objective. Did you read what was said to you? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #6
So there is disagreement on Greenwald's objectiveness. Whisp Jun 2013 #8
So it was just a nonsensical, pointless bit of chat. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #13
I don't understand what you are doing. Whisp Jun 2013 #14
I would just be interested to hear the meat of your disagreement, you content Greenwald Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #16
the OP pretty well makes the claim that GG and Nader are more anti-liberal than anti-republican. Whisp Jun 2013 #20
There ARE reasons to think that certain flavors of "Liberal" are MORE damaging MNBrewer Jun 2013 #65
Are you a Libertarian? flamingdem Jun 2013 #113
I'm not a Libertarian MNBrewer Jun 2013 #114
Greenwald? Objective? baldguy Jun 2013 #22
Give me examples where he hasn't been? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #24
he admits as much in the article in the OP arely staircase Jun 2013 #29
...and that's journalism. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #37
no, that is advocacy not impartiality arely staircase Jun 2013 #38
"the job of a journalist is to look at and report all of the facts" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #40
no a stenographer just rights down what is said arely staircase Jun 2013 #41
Exactly. That's what Greenwald does. He is an Investigative Reporter. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #45
but he does not report the facts that run contrary to his already determined arely staircase Jun 2013 #50
"already determined narrative" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #52
well clearly he didn't tell us that snowden had taken the job at BAH in order arely staircase Jun 2013 #53
Do you think if Snowden went to CNN, THEY would've reported it? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #55
hell yes arely staircase Jun 2013 #67
I've read his work for well over 10 years now... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #70
Of Course You Want Facts, Of Course You Want Them To Be The Ones You Agree With HangOnKids Jun 2013 #92
no that would be greenwald nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #97
Gee Down To Neener Neener? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #98
I.D.B arely staircase Jun 2013 #100
He questioned the claims of the Bush Administration, as he does of the Obama Admin MNBrewer Jun 2013 #66
All these people liked him when he picked on Bush. alarimer Jun 2013 #77
Just one? baldguy Jun 2013 #31
"Greenwald hates any who demeans themselves by actually winning an election" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #39
He didn't really investgate Snowden, did he? baldguy Jun 2013 #43
And these "errors"... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #48
You can't be that ignorant & out of touch. Can you? baldguy Jun 2013 #73
Ignorant? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #75
That's it: Ignore anything that casts doubt on your erroneous preconceptions. baldguy Jun 2013 #82
Please stop with the comedy! 8 hidden posts and you have this kind of moxie? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #96
What I have is knowledge of the truth & the ability to articulate it to those less informed. baldguy Jun 2013 #101
Keep telling yourself that HangOnKids Jun 2013 #102
You don't see the previous poster replying, do you? baldguy Jun 2013 #103
“People say things, you assume they are lying, and dig for documents to prove it.” ~Glenn Greenwald Galraedia Jun 2013 #99
If that's the case, then he was an advocate for the Democratic Party when he was writing about Plame Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #108
"Greenwald started his blog Unclaimed Territory in October 2005" OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #105
So my memory didn't serve me as well as I thought... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #107
I see him more like a Jerry Falwell frazzled Jun 2013 #2
Sounds like your average Nader-hater to me burnodo Jun 2013 #4
what Chait says about Greenwald isn't true Enrique Jun 2013 #5
he's way too easy on the guy nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #42
. LWolf Jun 2013 #7
Couldn't have put it better myself Hydra Jun 2013 #15
Chait was another huge Iraq War cheer leader over at the New Republic Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #9
I don't know Chait, but I am getting to know Greenwald. Whisp Jun 2013 #10
Chait agrees with power. So during the time between the 2000 election and the certification Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12
I think touting a pundit you don't know is a mistake. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #18
You are free to make an OP on Chait's history. Whisp Jun 2013 #21
Chait is the author of the OP, his history and hyperbolic style is very much the subject. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #23
I think Greenwald fits the description quite well. Whisp Jun 2013 #25
Did you REALLY just say MNBrewer Jun 2013 #69
yeh, pretty well. Whisp Jun 2013 #71
I think Greenwald is wrong about some things MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74
He had a moment's hesitation... babylonsister Jun 2013 #57
ty, great read. nt Whisp Jun 2013 #59
Iraq war cheerleader attacking Greenwald. The Link Jun 2013 #11
There were a lot of Iraq war cheerleaders Whisp Jun 2013 #17
Here is Chait on Hillary Clinton, first his classic Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #19
Wow, we're blowing off Iraq War cheerleading now? Marr Jun 2013 #36
Greenwald was an Iraq War cheerleader. baldguy Jun 2013 #27
I was waiting for someone to point that out. Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #56
I had missed that GG was a warmonger Kolesar Jun 2013 #58
ow ow ow! Whisp Jun 2013 #61
I love Whisp but you are OWNING this thread. Number23 Jun 2013 #118
Selective memory much? You do know which Greenwald we're talking about, right? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #32
Ahhh, the weekly, "Ralph Nader hater post". You really need to get over it. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #26
He lost me at "his brand of crusading regulation reigned nearly unchallenged." last1standing Jun 2013 #28
To me there are 2 Naders: Unsafe at any Speed Whisp Jun 2013 #30
I hope you're wrong. Nader could still do a lot of good. last1standing Jun 2013 #34
They both make me.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #33
I scry with my little eye and see Whisp Jun 2013 #35
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #44
Hello, how is the weather your way today? Whisp Jun 2013 #46
Jonathan Chait is ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #47
Yeah, right. And, he has a fake birth certificate and was born in Kenya. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #49
I didn't know that! Whisp Jun 2013 #51
Nader terrified the corporatists into creating RW think tanks to counter him Kolesar Jun 2013 #54
"I believe that corporate influence over our political process is easily one of the top sicknesses.. last1standing Jun 2013 #104
"His resemblance to Ralph Nader is not one that, so far as I can tell, anybody has thought to make." winter is coming Jun 2013 #60
Oh LORD!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #62
Nice... 99Forever Jun 2013 #63
this is true. GG smells even a bit worse now than he did yesterday. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #72
The smell is your usual... 99Forever Jun 2013 #85
you make such a good argument, I'm about the change my mind on GG. Whisp Jun 2013 #86
I don't argue with ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #87
I love him, I love him, I love him Whisp Jun 2013 #89
Are you hallucinating? 99Forever Jun 2013 #91
Your killing me......... Historic NY Jun 2013 #93
Chait: Greenwald "insists that Obama is worse than Bush." ucrdem Jun 2013 #64
Nonsense. --> " For Greenwald, like for Nader, the evils of liberals loom far larger than GoneFishin Jun 2013 #68
I can see that truth hurts you & makes you lash out like a person DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #76
now who is the lasher squawking paranoid here. Whisp Jun 2013 #78
Good plan. Enjoy your weekend. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #79
is that the new 'Bless your Heart' thingie now? Whisp Jun 2013 #80
No. It was supposed to have functioned as the terminus of this conversation. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #83
I said good day! JTFrog Jun 2013 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2013 #88
R#14 & K for, yip. n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #81
Greenwald & Nader have giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #84
that's Joy Reid! yay, reading that for sure, ty. Whisp Jun 2013 #95
This asshat is destructive flamingdem Jun 2013 #110
That is crazy tea bagger talk, is what it is. Whisp Jun 2013 #111
I'm really wondering who is orchestrating the release of new intelligence flamingdem Jun 2013 #112
Obama has twice signed the NDAA section 1021, which is the indefinite detention of US citizens Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #94
Most impressive! OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #106
kick Whisp Jun 2013 #109
Excellent article. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #115
kick Whisp Jun 2013 #116
That is one doggone interesting read. Explains alot about GG and his "admirers" Number23 Jun 2013 #117
If you haven't, you should see this DU post by msanthrope: Whisp Jun 2013 #119
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #120
Why? Is he running for President, or any other elected office? Cleita Jun 2013 #121
kick Whisp Jun 2013 #122
Reading Greenwald is annoying as heck. Whisp Jul 2013 #123
Greenwald is a hack. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #124
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