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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald is Ralph Nader [View all]Whisp
(24,096 posts)119. If you haven't, you should see this DU post by msanthrope:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002101211
Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist.
For me, Glenn Greenwald has always been an asshole. There's never been a point in time when I admired him, and then disliked him because of his stance on Obama. I have always found Glenn Greenwald to be unerringly poor at choosing who to associate with, and defend.
Case in point:
Glenn Greenwald made a choice to defend Matthew Hale in a series of civil lawsuits that Hale faced after he encouraged shooter Benjamin Smith to go on a two-state shooting rampage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Nathaniel_Smith
If you don't know who Hale is, well, he's a pretty famous white supremacist who is currently serving 40 years for soliciting the murder of a federal judge who ruled against him in a trademark case. Who put him away? Patrick Fitzgerald. (Yes. And Mr. Greenwald got an FBI visit regarding the passing of coded messages by Hale while under SAMS restrictions.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale
Mr. Hale, for his role in the shootings, was sued by a number of survivors. This included a case filed by two teenage Orthodox Jewish boys. And another case filed by a Black minister. These people were selected by Benjamin Smith because they looked like the religious/ethnic minorities they are.
And Glenn Greenwald called them 'odious and repugnant' for suing his client--
Indeed the Center's suit appears to link Hale's rejection into the bar to Smith's "rampage." In late June, the state bar's Committee on Character and Fitness again denied Hale's petition to join the bar. Smith, who had testified as a character witness for Hale that April, began shooting two days later. "Immediately after the Illinois State Bar's decision and as part of the World Church of the Creator's war, Smith ... began a rampage of genocidal violence," the lawsuit states.
And while Hale himself has linked the shootings to his bar application in the past, he said Tuesday that it's ridiculous to think he had any control over Smith.
SNIP
Further, Greenwald said, "I find that the people behind these lawsuits are truly so odious and repugnant, that creates its own motivation for me."
The first suit, filed in state court by Chicago attorney Michael Ian Bender on behalf of two Orthodox Jewish teens shot at in Rogers Park, is pending, though a circuit judge in Chicago threw out allegations that Smith's parents were somehow responsible for the shootings.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/hale/hale33.html
It wasn't enough that Glenn took the case, which was his right to do. No--he had to insult the Plaintiffs--shooting victims. And then, he unethically taped the witnesses he subpoenaed, even directing their statements. A court found that he violated TWO separate rules--
"The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel's conduct unethical under two separate rules: Local Rule 83.58.4(a)(4), prohibiting "dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;" and Local Rule 83.54.4, stating "a lawyer shall not ... use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of person.""ANDERSON v. HALE 159 F.Supp.2d 1116 (2001)
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=20011275159FSupp2d1116_11178.xml
He also attempted to manipulate the witness statements, per the magistrate's findings of fact-
"A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants' counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use." Anderson v. Hale, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001),
That's right--Glenn Greenwald, self-proclaimed civil rights lawyer, violated the civil right of witnesses. The New York Bar later wrote a clarifying opinion on the ethics of said taping, referencing this case--
http://www2.nycbar.org/Publications/reports/show_html.php?rid=122
And of course, Glenn Greenwald thinks Matthew Hale is wrongly imprisoned by Prosecutor Fitzgerald.
"Mr. Greenwald, who said he believed that Mr. Hale was wrongly imprisoned, said he did not recall the exact message Ms. Hutcheson relayed to him, or the person it was intended for, but that he had declined to deliver it. He called the message "a caricature of what a coded message would be.""
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/09/national/09hale.html?pagewanted=print&position=
I've never been enthralled by Glenn. And I wasn't surprised to find out all this information, either. I wonder where, and if, Mr. Greenwald retains a law license.
Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist.
For me, Glenn Greenwald has always been an asshole. There's never been a point in time when I admired him, and then disliked him because of his stance on Obama. I have always found Glenn Greenwald to be unerringly poor at choosing who to associate with, and defend.
Case in point:
Glenn Greenwald made a choice to defend Matthew Hale in a series of civil lawsuits that Hale faced after he encouraged shooter Benjamin Smith to go on a two-state shooting rampage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Nathaniel_Smith
If you don't know who Hale is, well, he's a pretty famous white supremacist who is currently serving 40 years for soliciting the murder of a federal judge who ruled against him in a trademark case. Who put him away? Patrick Fitzgerald. (Yes. And Mr. Greenwald got an FBI visit regarding the passing of coded messages by Hale while under SAMS restrictions.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale
Mr. Hale, for his role in the shootings, was sued by a number of survivors. This included a case filed by two teenage Orthodox Jewish boys. And another case filed by a Black minister. These people were selected by Benjamin Smith because they looked like the religious/ethnic minorities they are.
And Glenn Greenwald called them 'odious and repugnant' for suing his client--
Indeed the Center's suit appears to link Hale's rejection into the bar to Smith's "rampage." In late June, the state bar's Committee on Character and Fitness again denied Hale's petition to join the bar. Smith, who had testified as a character witness for Hale that April, began shooting two days later. "Immediately after the Illinois State Bar's decision and as part of the World Church of the Creator's war, Smith ... began a rampage of genocidal violence," the lawsuit states.
And while Hale himself has linked the shootings to his bar application in the past, he said Tuesday that it's ridiculous to think he had any control over Smith.
SNIP
Further, Greenwald said, "I find that the people behind these lawsuits are truly so odious and repugnant, that creates its own motivation for me."
The first suit, filed in state court by Chicago attorney Michael Ian Bender on behalf of two Orthodox Jewish teens shot at in Rogers Park, is pending, though a circuit judge in Chicago threw out allegations that Smith's parents were somehow responsible for the shootings.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/hale/hale33.html
It wasn't enough that Glenn took the case, which was his right to do. No--he had to insult the Plaintiffs--shooting victims. And then, he unethically taped the witnesses he subpoenaed, even directing their statements. A court found that he violated TWO separate rules--
"The magistrate judge granted both motions, finding defense counsel's conduct unethical under two separate rules: Local Rule 83.58.4(a)(4), prohibiting "dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;" and Local Rule 83.54.4, stating "a lawyer shall not ... use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of person.""ANDERSON v. HALE 159 F.Supp.2d 1116 (2001)
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=20011275159FSupp2d1116_11178.xml
He also attempted to manipulate the witness statements, per the magistrate's findings of fact-
"A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants' counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use." Anderson v. Hale, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001),
That's right--Glenn Greenwald, self-proclaimed civil rights lawyer, violated the civil right of witnesses. The New York Bar later wrote a clarifying opinion on the ethics of said taping, referencing this case--
http://www2.nycbar.org/Publications/reports/show_html.php?rid=122
And of course, Glenn Greenwald thinks Matthew Hale is wrongly imprisoned by Prosecutor Fitzgerald.
"Mr. Greenwald, who said he believed that Mr. Hale was wrongly imprisoned, said he did not recall the exact message Ms. Hutcheson relayed to him, or the person it was intended for, but that he had declined to deliver it. He called the message "a caricature of what a coded message would be.""
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/09/national/09hale.html?pagewanted=print&position=
I've never been enthralled by Glenn. And I wasn't surprised to find out all this information, either. I wonder where, and if, Mr. Greenwald retains a law license.
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The othe poster just stated that his work is objective. Did you read what was said to you?
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#6
I would just be interested to hear the meat of your disagreement, you content Greenwald
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#16
the OP pretty well makes the claim that GG and Nader are more anti-liberal than anti-republican.
Whisp
Jun 2013
#20
There ARE reasons to think that certain flavors of "Liberal" are MORE damaging
MNBrewer
Jun 2013
#65
but he does not report the facts that run contrary to his already determined
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#50
well clearly he didn't tell us that snowden had taken the job at BAH in order
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#53
Of Course You Want Facts, Of Course You Want Them To Be The Ones You Agree With
HangOnKids
Jun 2013
#92
He questioned the claims of the Bush Administration, as he does of the Obama Admin
MNBrewer
Jun 2013
#66
"Greenwald hates any who demeans themselves by actually winning an election"
Cooley Hurd
Jun 2013
#39
Please stop with the comedy! 8 hidden posts and you have this kind of moxie?
HangOnKids
Jun 2013
#96
What I have is knowledge of the truth & the ability to articulate it to those less informed.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#101
“People say things, you assume they are lying, and dig for documents to prove it.” ~Glenn Greenwald
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#99
If that's the case, then he was an advocate for the Democratic Party when he was writing about Plame
Cooley Hurd
Jun 2013
#108
Chait agrees with power. So during the time between the 2000 election and the certification
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#12
Chait is the author of the OP, his history and hyperbolic style is very much the subject.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#23
Here is Chait on Hillary Clinton, first his classic Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#19
Selective memory much? You do know which Greenwald we're talking about, right?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2013
#32
Ahhh, the weekly, "Ralph Nader hater post". You really need to get over it.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#26
He lost me at "his brand of crusading regulation reigned nearly unchallenged."
last1standing
Jun 2013
#28
Yeah, right. And, he has a fake birth certificate and was born in Kenya.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#49
"I believe that corporate influence over our political process is easily one of the top sicknesses..
last1standing
Jun 2013
#104
"His resemblance to Ralph Nader is not one that, so far as I can tell, anybody has thought to make."
winter is coming
Jun 2013
#60
Nonsense. --> " For Greenwald, like for Nader, the evils of liberals loom far larger than
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#68
No. It was supposed to have functioned as the terminus of this conversation.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#83
Obama has twice signed the NDAA section 1021, which is the indefinite detention of US citizens
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#94
That is one doggone interesting read. Explains alot about GG and his "admirers"
Number23
Jun 2013
#117