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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald: NSA Can Store A BILLION CELL PHONE CALLS Every Day [View all]pipoman
(16,038 posts)175. well..
A direct lie as those using illegal aliens for slave labour are also breaching civil rights/liberties. As Google has found when its Streetview showed unblurred faces.
No " using illegal aliens for slave labour(sic)" isn't a civil rights violation in any but the most 'johnny come lately' use of language, civil right and liberties refer to violations of the Constitution/Bill of Rights. The Constitution/Bill of Rights are limitations on government, not the people. It is a violation of criminal statute and/or an "act of Congress"..an act, like the civil rights act for instance..if an employer doesn't wish to hire a Buddhist because he's a Buddhist (insert any race, creed, color...etc.) that person would be charged for violation of an act of congress not a first amendment violation. If a cop kicks a Buddhists ass because he is a Buddhist it would be a 1st amendment violation and probably a few others.
So any transactions with with overseas entities that may want to harm your country cannot be examined?
Sure, just get a warrant and listen away..by all means, be pretty liberal in the issuance of warrants..but guess what? Why do you suppose we need a FISA court? Imagine how much cheaper it would be to just place a few extra judges on the federal bench to handle the volume? Could it be because there isn't a federal judge on the bench who would sign a warrant to encompass every person who owns a cell phone..that is a bit too liberal for any judge I expect..so we need a new court to issue these because the existing federal court is bound by SCOTUS precedent..criteria for warrants has a volume of case law behind it, this new court doesn't need to be burdened by all that..oh, and how about we operate this court secretly..we don't need the pesky public finding out we are issuing warrants with no recourse.
There is privacy but not of published information. Dialing a phone number or addressing a letter or addressing an e-mail automatically publishes that information.
It publishes it, does it? Where prytell does it publish it? Where do I go to see this information made public (definition of publish)? Utter nonsense..why, if this information is published, would the .gov need a warrant to get it?
That is a lie where you are depending upon us not seeing that published information is different from private. If a doctor gives you a prescription for morphine, then presenting that prescription will trigger an enquiry by the pharmacist as to your medical condition and will also probably trigger an enquiry from the FDA.
no, the lie is that the information is "published"...tell me again why if it is published the feds need a warrant from a (relatively) new secret court?
You persist in conflating published information (your number plate, your phone number, your e-mail address, your addressees, the people you call) with private (your financial data) and with data that you have chosen to reveal (your location).
see the above 2 answers.
Apart from the fact this is word salad (yes that is an ad hom - but a justified one) you continue to display ignorance about the difference between published and private information. Published information can provide evidence for a justified search and seizure, exactly as telephoning Kim Il Jong would provide reason to record and examine your phone call.
Since you admitted you don't understand in the first sentence, the rest might be...word..salad?
pipoman please think about what you write and use paragraphs as it aids comprehension of what you are trying to say.
LOL..perhaps a dictionary when you write, eh?
No " using illegal aliens for slave labour(sic)" isn't a civil rights violation in any but the most 'johnny come lately' use of language, civil right and liberties refer to violations of the Constitution/Bill of Rights. The Constitution/Bill of Rights are limitations on government, not the people. It is a violation of criminal statute and/or an "act of Congress"..an act, like the civil rights act for instance..if an employer doesn't wish to hire a Buddhist because he's a Buddhist (insert any race, creed, color...etc.) that person would be charged for violation of an act of congress not a first amendment violation. If a cop kicks a Buddhists ass because he is a Buddhist it would be a 1st amendment violation and probably a few others.
So any transactions with with overseas entities that may want to harm your country cannot be examined?
Sure, just get a warrant and listen away..by all means, be pretty liberal in the issuance of warrants..but guess what? Why do you suppose we need a FISA court? Imagine how much cheaper it would be to just place a few extra judges on the federal bench to handle the volume? Could it be because there isn't a federal judge on the bench who would sign a warrant to encompass every person who owns a cell phone..that is a bit too liberal for any judge I expect..so we need a new court to issue these because the existing federal court is bound by SCOTUS precedent..criteria for warrants has a volume of case law behind it, this new court doesn't need to be burdened by all that..oh, and how about we operate this court secretly..we don't need the pesky public finding out we are issuing warrants with no recourse.
There is privacy but not of published information. Dialing a phone number or addressing a letter or addressing an e-mail automatically publishes that information.
It publishes it, does it? Where prytell does it publish it? Where do I go to see this information made public (definition of publish)? Utter nonsense..why, if this information is published, would the .gov need a warrant to get it?
That is a lie where you are depending upon us not seeing that published information is different from private. If a doctor gives you a prescription for morphine, then presenting that prescription will trigger an enquiry by the pharmacist as to your medical condition and will also probably trigger an enquiry from the FDA.
no, the lie is that the information is "published"...tell me again why if it is published the feds need a warrant from a (relatively) new secret court?
You persist in conflating published information (your number plate, your phone number, your e-mail address, your addressees, the people you call) with private (your financial data) and with data that you have chosen to reveal (your location).
see the above 2 answers.
Apart from the fact this is word salad (yes that is an ad hom - but a justified one) you continue to display ignorance about the difference between published and private information. Published information can provide evidence for a justified search and seizure, exactly as telephoning Kim Il Jong would provide reason to record and examine your phone call.
Since you admitted you don't understand in the first sentence, the rest might be...word..salad?
pipoman please think about what you write and use paragraphs as it aids comprehension of what you are trying to say.
LOL..perhaps a dictionary when you write, eh?
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I think what we are suggesting is that the NSA adhere to the 4th amendment.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#2
And we can have that discussion without elevating a RW libertarian douchebag to the status of a hero
baldguy
Jun 2013
#3
You need more talking points. You left out China, Russia, Ecuador, and Cuba.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#5
Did all of those 46% attend the briefings and such about the NSA or its programs et al?
Bodhi BloodWave
Jun 2013
#90
Collins' argument was that you can't request a briefing for things you don't know.
Pholus
Jun 2013
#117
I'm sure you have as much disdain and rejection of the neocon/Bush surveillance state
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#44
Obama ended the NSAs abuses under the Bush Regime, & forced them to get warrants for their wire taps
baldguy
Jun 2013
#52
On behalf of The Carlyle Group, Booz Allen, Academia, Halliburton, Beltek, Stratfor, HB Gary etc
think
Jun 2013
#151
"If the president does it, that means it is not illegal." ~Richard M. Nixon.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#164
So, what you really want is to impeach Barack Obama. And why not Joe Biden while you're at it.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#166
Funny he didn't mention it. Funny he didn't understand what a secure FTP server is.
randome
Jun 2013
#183
I hadn't consider that the NDAA clause could be used to indefinitely detain Snowden either.
think
Jun 2013
#184
If: I have a problem with Obama's UNCONSTITUTIONAL acts, Then: I want Boenher for president.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#170
Thank you, what an asshole to alert and ASSume. I =do= vote for democrats.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#185
No we cant. That's the whole point. People have tried to "have that discussion" in the past and
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#56
What's childish is supposedly rational, supposedly liberal people trying desperately
baldguy
Jun 2013
#59
Mass domestic surveillance has not gone through a 4th amendment challenge.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#10
ah of course. Arguably neither is the information passing over the internet, right?
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#17
There are entire volumes of laws and rules preventing that information from being shared.
randome
Jun 2013
#77
I'm no law or privacy scholar. I have no idea what laws are in place for school records.
randome
Jun 2013
#92
Recording of calls and storing them for a possible evidence in a criminal case without a warrant
boston bean
Jun 2013
#106
HIPAA prevents the reporting of medical records. No such statute applies to telephone metadata.
OilemFirchen
Jun 2013
#136
+1. anything that's on a computer is theirs. and since they're corraling us into putting
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#180
It's the digital age. Data is never 'given back', it's copied and then deleted.
randome
Jun 2013
#116
But you'll trust Verizon to know all that. They don't have laws preventing misuse.
randome
Jun 2013
#35
Just because there is a law doesnt mean it doesnt violate the Constitution. I suggest you read the
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#64
Well, it wasn't a Communist who told me this, and my hearing was quite good at the time...! nt
MADem
Jun 2013
#114
Now this report by Greenwald shows he does not have any concept of what he is
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#27
Greenwald says, ""It doesn't mean that they're listening to every call, it means they're storing
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#32
Do we have only a billion people in the US who has a cell phone? How many cell phone customers do
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#49
Ummm, the US population is 313.9 million. A factor of 3 smaller than a "billion"
Pholus
Jun 2013
#51
The 2014 NDAA creates a new complex dedicated to the analysis of stored data and metadata.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#38
How long do you expect a call to last, it does not add up. Longer calls means more storage is taken
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#53
Would you give the government permission to put a camera in every room in your house
Bolo Boffin
Jun 2013
#29
Once again, he could have read about Bush doing this and MORE here on DU many years ago!
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#37
But...but greenwald is a something or other! This means everything he says doesn't matter!
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#42
Prudence Dictates That One Must Make The Assumption That Everything Will Be Recorded
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#60
Any Smart Malcontent Would Surely Avoid All Forms Of Electronic Communication
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#75
Hasn't Echelon already been intercepting / storing over 3 billion / day for decades?
HiddenAgenda63
Jun 2013
#94
And the authoritarians break out their goto talking point: We already knew that!
DesMoinesDem
Jun 2013
#130