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119. Snowden's personal ability to access anybody's information . . .

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:06 AM

Jun 2013

. . . is secondary -- I mean WAY secondary -- to the broader issue of the government collecting and storing meta data of huge swaths of the American public who are under no particular suspicion of having done anything wrong. Likewise the content collection going on with PRISM. Whether his claims as regards his own ability to access such data are exaggerated or not -- and at this point neither you nor I know if in fact they are exaggerated or not -- that really isn't the primary focus of concern. I don't need for Snowden to be a good guy, or one whose ideological commitments are in line with my own, in order to believe that he has done the country a service by forcing us to have a conversation about the security/privacy trade-off that we have, for too long, avoided.

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Isn't it amusing to watch people who have called Obama-supporters 'worshippers' [View all] Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 OP

So what do you think of the NSA surveillance programme, Summer? sibelian Jun 2013 #1

Which programme would that be? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #2

Snowden still has yet to prove the NSA has direct access to the servers of internet companies Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #7

Are you serious? truedelphi Jun 2013 #53

What did you learn from that? I thought it was like a timeshare pitch flamingdem Jun 2013 #79

Glen,the bastion of credibility...... dionysus Jun 2013 #122

What Amazes Me Is The Willingness Of Many To Believe Government Denials As Absolute Truth cantbeserious Jun 2013 #152

The phone tap of the President's phone JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #156

What do you think of PRISM? Is that specific enough for you, dear? cali Jun 2013 #10

What do YOU think Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #14

hahahaaha. typical and ever so lame. cali Jun 2013 #17

And I see Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #20

I've said all I have to say about Snowden cali Jun 2013 #33

You should "give a shit" if you care about the truth. DCBob Jun 2013 #137

You should start your own thread if you want to talk about PRISM, not hijack the thread MADem Jun 2013 #30

it's taboo, not tabu. don't be nadine. dionysus Jun 2013 #124

What do you always call people "dear"? Is that supposed to be some condescending jab? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #166

You know that's not what the OP Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #5

Good points, Maximum Hekate Jun 2013 #120

Yup Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #3

what's funny about the paid operative thing is JI7 Jun 2013 #15

Amen! Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #27

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #64

we can't be partisan now! Whisp Jun 2013 #104

That is particularly precious, isn't it? nt Hekate Jun 2013 #123

yeah, that would be funny if it werent so sad. DCBob Jun 2013 #139

Wow, what a bunch of BS..... Logical Jun 2013 #153

Exactly! And they do this without taking into account what site they're posting on. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #165

This is exactly the level of fantasy analysis on, say, IMDB actors' fan boards. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #4

lol, it is a bunch of gobbledygook quinnox Jun 2013 #8

Please feel free to point out Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #9

just about all of it quinnox Jun 2013 #13

I never claimed to be a mind-reader Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #19

It was like a ticker tape parade for Neil Armstrong. Whisp Jun 2013 #105

My response mick063 Jun 2013 #6

Exactly. It's not the messenger, it's the message. Snowden's didn't make the Obama administration MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #11

Is it even remotely possible Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #12

But WHY talk about him? It isn't about him, it's about our government and their spying on everyone. kas125 Jun 2013 #16

Wow. "I know you are but what am I" Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #23

I have no clue what you're talking about, you may as well have written that post in Chinese for kas125 Jun 2013 #31

Holy crap! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #172

This thread IS about him, and the amusing reactions of his acolytes as they realize, slowly, MADem Jun 2013 #38

The circular logic ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #48

My head hurts. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #91

It's about him because there is no independent corroboration. jeff47 Jun 2013 #127

Because it really *isn't* about Snowden, and the only people Marr Jun 2013 #155

Well, this OP is about Snowden. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #188

No, I don't-- because I didn't notice any Snowden worship. Marr Jun 2013 #191

WELL SAID. woo me with science Jun 2013 #18

And is it not ironic, that Obama went all around the truedelphi Jun 2013 #89

lol dionysus Jun 2013 #125

Please add chervilant Jun 2013 #184

This OP is truly warped. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #21

"To allege otherwise is both disingenuous and profoundly ignorant." Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #25

Your entire OP attempts,unsuccessfully, to conflate the leaks with the leaker... Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #34

Gee whiz, whoever smelt it, dealt it! I didn't see your name in the OP... MADem Jun 2013 #39

I am getting really tired of the circus act this has turned into. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #43

If you are really all that 'tired,' exercise a little self-control. MADem Jun 2013 #50

Having my cake and eating it, too? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #40

So how can you manage to justify your own clinging? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #44

What is it I'm clinging to? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #55

And where is your equal concern with those who have shilled for the administration? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #56

Do you understand the concept of Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #57

Doesn't address some people's adoration Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #26

I have seen little consideration on either extreme of the debate Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #36

O.M.G. ProSense Jun 2013 #60

That's not irony. That is me pointing out how you are part of the circus. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #61

And ProSense Jun 2013 #68

Laughing is good for your health. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #71

That's it. What you said! nt MADem Jun 2013 #42

+ a stone cold million and I LOVE your user name!! Number23 Jun 2013 #84

bullshit. snowden\assange\manning are the sweet bebe jesus to many here. dionysus Jun 2013 #126

Snowden has made claims of new capabilities and practices that are particularly disturbing if true. DCBob Jun 2013 #140

I am grateful that Snowden has sacrificed so much of his life and freedom JDPriestly Jun 2013 #22

Isn't it quite the coincidence that Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #28

I'm not sure what you are driving at. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #32

"My Obama-supporter credentials are beyond reproach." This is a discussion board. Bullshit is king. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #149

Are you trying to say that in order to qualify as an Obama-supporter, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #162

And Saint Eddie is no fan of social security and medicare! MADem Jun 2013 #47

Did anyone claim that Snowden was a Democrat? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #163

They claimed he was for truth, justice and the American way! MADem Jun 2013 #169

How can a Democrat favor this kind of massive surveillance any more JDPriestly Jun 2013 #171

He hasn't proven that such "massive surveillance" is actually happening. MADem Jun 2013 #175

I'm talking about the metadata. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #178

How is your right to form associations being abrogated? MADem Jun 2013 #181

there is a difference between supporters and worshipers Skittles Jun 2013 #24

When folks are reduced to using FauxSnooze, World Nut Daily and similar sources as MADem Jun 2013 #29

you're fucking kidding, right? wapo and the guardian uk are now fox news and wnd? frylock Jun 2013 #90

No--those guys haven't been 'on the story' for days now. MADem Jun 2013 #144

Get back to me when any Snowden supporter Union Scribe Jun 2013 #35

Well, to each his own. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #41

It's my measure of how a man is adored by a fanbase Union Scribe Jun 2013 #45

The concept of my OP Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #52

Nope, the 'isn't he so handsome' pics kiva Jun 2013 #88

Go back to the DU posts Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #108

That's horse shit! Obama introduced himself to the world giving a substantive MADem Jun 2013 #146

lol quinnox Jun 2013 #46

You mean like THESE? That are all over the intertubes? MADem Jun 2013 #49

I recall a post on the first day of Eddie's known existence treestar Jun 2013 #66

In my neighborhood, he would .... er... not be regarded as such! MADem Jun 2013 #145

Sweet Fancy Moses... somebody get that boy a pork chop sandwich STAT!! Number23 Jun 2013 #85

... Stop!! Stop!! You're killin' me!!! MADem Jun 2013 #147

You really are comparing the two? Whisp Jun 2013 #76

I'm not your son, and it's not my comparison. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #93

It must be so sad that your hero Snowden is a traitorass Whisp Jun 2013 #95

Not my hero. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #97

His actions are not yet clear or known, and you favor them Whisp Jun 2013 #98

They're apparently "known" enough Union Scribe Jun 2013 #99

were you aware that China does cyberwarfare on Tibet? Whisp Jun 2013 #100

Once again... Union Scribe Jun 2013 #101

sorry but even if this phony 2-bit hacker is the "first neutron"... DCBob Jun 2013 #141

PLA Unit 61398--their job is to collect a lot more than "metadata"....on US. MADem Jun 2013 #177

Yah, they are the good guys and the U.S. should just STOP! Whisp Jun 2013 #186

LOL Scurrilous Jun 2013 #92

Oh but this is different!1! JNelson6563 Jun 2013 #37

I object to your abuse of the word 'fact' muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #51

My position is rather simple. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #54

When you claim there are people who amuse you by saying one thing then the Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #82

No, there are no 'links' ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #109

That was not your assertion. Your OP claims that you are amused by a group of Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #167

Thank you. Puglover Jun 2013 #65

This thread is back open after all day discussions on two equal threads on opposite opinions graham4anything Jun 2013 #58

kick Whisp Jun 2013 #59

Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #62

+1 million treestar Jun 2013 #63

Nailed it. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #67

K/R. (nt) NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #69

*PLONK* backscatter712 Jun 2013 #70

More ProSense Jun 2013 #75

ZING! BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #157

You lost me after "for years now on this site" when you've been here 18 months. Melinda Jun 2013 #72

It's a sock of a rather well known columnist here. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #113

And they seem to be multiplying. Melinda Jun 2013 #133

Not necessarily referring to you, but I find it highly amusing ... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #150

I don't find dishonesty amusing out of anyone. So Summer is actually some other Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #168

"Dishonest brokers are dishonest for a reason." Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #180

Who? We have a "well known columnist" here? nt MADem Jun 2013 #176

It's typical hypocrisy.. they have no clue why Pres Obama has supporters.. Cha Jun 2013 #73

such nonsense. I have every idea why people support the President and on cali Jun 2013 #77

As usual, Cali, well stated! n/t markpkessinger Jun 2013 #110

Popcorn with butter nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #74

I have little interest in Pin Up Politics, but I would like to see an example or two of Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #78

Why waste time on this cult of personality stuff when the NSA is still spying on us? n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #80

Don't worry your pretty little head about the steroids. Iggo Jun 2013 #81

I try hard to not call anyone a "worshiper," unless I'm talking about religion. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #83

"Snowden has very little influence on policy ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #107

K&R If I thought these folks had a conscience or a clue, I'd be upset by what they call Number23 Jun 2013 #86

I'm having trouble discerning what your central point is. Could you please state it HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #87

Sure. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #103

Thanks. Without throwing your thread completely off its tracks, maybe HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #158

. baldguy Jun 2013 #94

Pretty succinct there, baldguy. thank you. nm Cha Jun 2013 #106

If there is no truth to Snowden's allegations . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #116

I can't believe this BS is still going around on DU Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #118

Snowden's personal ability to access anybody's information . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #119

"government collecting and storing meta data" is legal... DCBob Jun 2013 #142

The story so far ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #187

Succinctly put Hekate Jun 2013 #129

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #183

HUGE K&R...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #96

Well said Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #102

Kick! zappaman Jun 2013 #111

That isn't nearly as amusing as . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #112

Keep catapulting the propaganda Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #114

I used a gross generalization . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #115

Also amusing: watching the usual suspects suddenly become 4th amendment warriors. ucrdem Jun 2013 #117

this is the best OP i've read in a while. dionysus Jun 2013 #121

This thread should be pinned to the top of the forum. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #128

Isn't it amazing how well this right-wing plan is coming together? jeff47 Jun 2013 #130

It's a bit harsh on Summer Hathaway to call her OP a 'right-wing plan' muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #132

I think Summer just wants to inject some common sense and reality into this discussion. DCBob Jun 2013 #143

What the clueless OP failes to realize is that it is not about Snowden. It is about the NSA. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #154

Then why is Summer using hyperbolic characterizations of a class of DUer that Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #160

I'm not. Her post is a symptom of the plan, not part of it. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #182

"SH is screaming all kinds of things ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #190

k r flamingdem Jun 2013 #131

It is amusing. I think "they" would worship ANYBODY who could possibly bring down Obama. lamp_shade Jun 2013 #134

A short addition to your post Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #135

Kick and Recommend! FSogol Jun 2013 #136

yeah, aint it the truth. DCBob Jun 2013 #138

I don't think it is the truth at all, can you show me these posters that 'amuse' Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #164

Not really. LWolf Jun 2013 #148

You are another DUer who is too clueless to realize this not about Snowden, it is about.... Logical Jun 2013 #151

Excellent post, Summer! Kicking and Recommended. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #159

Can you point out this amusing group of people to me? Or is this just bullshit? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #161

Deified? Really? Even if someone is considered a hero that doesn't make them a god TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #170

K&R for the truth worshipers. great white snark Jun 2013 #173

Joseph Goebbels: Zorra Jun 2013 #174

It's not about Snowden. Apophis Jun 2013 #179

It wasn't about Medea either, or about brave Rand when he stood up ucrdem Jun 2013 #185

Look like more and more, Snowden will end up in a US courtroom. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #189