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ucrdem

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10. Yes, the FISA bill was submitted in May '77 and signed into law by Carter in Oct. '78,
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jun 2013

per stevenleser's piece linked in the OP. A little more on the history:

I mark the beginning as May 18, 1977, the day Ted Kennedy submitted the FISA bill to the Senate. The FISA bill, also known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is describe in Wikipedia as prescribing procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of "foreign intelligence information" between "foreign powers" and "agents of foreign powers" which may include American citizens and permanent residents suspected of espionage or terrorism. In practice, it sets up secret courts through which intelligence agencies can obtain warrants for surveillance of individuals and groups suspected of engaging in any kind of espionage and foreign sponsored or connected terrorist activities harmful to US National Security.

Six Democrats and three Republicans cosponsored the bill and it was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter October 25th, 1978.

Hearing about FISA in a vacuum without any other information would probably cause most people to believe that FISA has the strong potential to violate the fourth amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure. In fact, FISA was created to strengthen the fourth amendment and I will explain how.

FISA was created by Ted Kennedy for two reasons. First, it was created as a response to President Nixon using warrantless wiretaps and other searches to target political opponents and activist groups. The other reason it was created was made clear by one of the US Court of appeals decisions that affirmed the constitutionality of FISA, and that is the 1984 US v Duggan decision. Part of the Duggan decision reads:

Prior to the enactment of FISA, virtually every court that had addressed the issue had concluded that the President had the inherent power to conduct warrantless electronic surveillance to collect foreign intelligence information, and that such surveillances constituted an exception to the warrant requirement of the Fourth Amendment.

The Duggan decision goes on to list six or seven other appeals court decisions where courts concluded that the President has the inherent power to conduct this kind of warrantless electronic surveillance to collect foreign intelligence information.

Senator Kennedy and President Carter did not like the idea of warrantless wiretapping even though it was judged in the case of foreign espionage and terrorism to be Constitutional …so they created FISA which requires the Justice Department and intelligence agencies of the executive branch to get a judge to sign off on a warrant in order to conduct these surveillances. It also gives a number of congressional committees the ability to look over these warrants.

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NSA-gate: What did Obama do? [View all] ucrdem Jun 2013 OP
and now 22 democratic senators are asking very specific questions in writing think Jun 2013 #1
Yes, naturally there's a connection. ucrdem Jun 2013 #2
They also read the NSA website while looking for truth... think Jun 2013 #3
I imagine they'll get a response, too, if they haven't already. ucrdem Jun 2013 #4
No. I'm sure you don't think Jun 2013 #15
OMG everyone's out to get Obama's administration. round up the usual supects nt msongs Jun 2013 #5
I can't speak for the signatories ucrdem Jun 2013 #7
let me point out that Sentor Leahy has been concerned about the cali Jun 2013 #27
Of course there's a connection. This is another fake scandal that they have to try to address. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #39
If all it took was tenacity you'd be a champ. think Jun 2013 #40
This is the first I've heard that FISA went back to Carter. snot Jun 2013 #6
It's the FISA law of 1978. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #8
Yes, the FISA bill was submitted in May '77 and signed into law by Carter in Oct. '78, ucrdem Jun 2013 #10
You believe Obama? Who signed the NDAA section 1021 allowing for the indefinite detention of US Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #9
Yes, but the NDAA is a separate issue, no? ucrdem Jun 2013 #11
Goes to motive. He signed it twice, and sent lawyers to defend section 1021 in court Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #13
Have you convinced yourself that Obama has committed a crime? ucrdem Jun 2013 #17
Firstly, I'm an Occupier, not a tea fuck, so kindly apologize. Leading with insults? Poor. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #18
"Goes to motive" suggests that you're discussing a criminal action by the US president. ucrdem Jun 2013 #20
Oh wait, you HAVE convinced yourself Obama has committed a crime, ucrdem Jun 2013 #21
Again Aerows Jun 2013 #30
You haven't been here Aerows Jun 2013 #29
Cute, now you call long term DU'ers nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45
That's nonsense. They're two separate issues. n/ pnwmom Jun 2013 #42
Your house is on fire. It is burning to the ground. Wake up and do something to save it. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #43
I grew up in a generation where they had us get under desks to protect against a nuclear attack. pnwmom Jun 2013 #44
The greatest danger is for everyone to give all power to Bush and the corporations Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #46
So instead of a commie you got a terrorist under the bed nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #53
The threat of nuclear war was all too real pnwmom Jun 2013 #54
The threat of nuclear war was very real...ironically...actually really nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #55
Do you seriously think terrorists can't get hold of nuclear materials? pnwmom Jun 2013 #57
You are still comparing an extinction level event nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #58
kick! jazzimov Jun 2013 #12
So no warrantless wiretapping is happening now? No collection, just in case snot Jun 2013 #14
No evidence of any has been brought forward, no. ucrdem Jun 2013 #16
You aren't serious, are you? Six corporations, including Mitt Romney's Bain Capital, own Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #19
What the heck is that supposed to mean? ucrdem Jun 2013 #22
You cannot enter "pruit igoe spraying" into an internet search engine to learn why it is foolish Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #24
Article from Friday in Business Insider Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #23
"it is hard to distinguish email metadata from email content" -- No its not. DCBob Jun 2013 #25
They are talking about the dispute over whether subject lines are content or metadata. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #32
Its still easy technically to separate that out. DCBob Jun 2013 #33
Disputed among the authorities themselves does not equal "easy" to tell. n/t Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #34
See snot Jun 2013 #36
Props to leveymg for resuscitating that nasty powerpoint ucrdem Jun 2013 #37
Of course the bashers will find some other way to continue bashing. DCBob Jun 2013 #26
there's this: cali Jun 2013 #28
Thanks. How can I put this in a way you will understand. Let's try this: ucrdem Jun 2013 #31
"Chomsky, Scahill, and Hedges, are right-wing." cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #52
Thanks. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #35
Thanks for the link! n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #38
Cool blog bro LittleBlue Jun 2013 #41
Don't expect them to read Steverleser's post. treestar Jun 2013 #47
Thanks treestar... some won't I suppose, and some would if it was shorter, ucrdem Jun 2013 #48
Good going! treestar Jun 2013 #49
1501 for another milestone! ucrdem Jun 2013 #50
Those warrants aren't legal in anything other than the "newspeak" sense of the word legal. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #51
It's not about Obama. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #56
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