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Azathoth

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28. That doesn't necessarily follow, or at least the 'not accurate' part doesn't follow

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 04:49 AM

Jun 2013

In any event, Zimmerman presented to his doctor with a nose injury severe enough that she thought it was broken. I don't see how it changes the case much whether the nose was actually broken or just injured so severely that it mimicked being broken

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Why did Zimmerman Refuse to go to the Hospital after the Shooting ? [View all] JI7 Jun 2013 OP

That is, indeed, a very good question. uppityperson Jun 2013 #1

You are implying that a person actually has to sustain a grievous or fatal injury Azathoth Jun 2013 #2

I think the implication is there is a huge difference between "oh shit! I'm gonna die!" and "oh, uppityperson Jun 2013 #4

The "oh never mind" doesn't occur while someone is straddling you Azathoth Jun 2013 #6

Except the testimony provided under oath Coccydynia Jun 2013 #26

What trial are you watching? All the state eyewitnesses put the man in a dark shirt (Trayvon) shadowrider Jun 2013 #33

I think you are color blind, or perhaps Coccydynia Jun 2013 #34

there is conflicting testimony as to who was on top DrDan Jun 2013 #41

As is always the case. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #43

he does support Z's case DrDan Jun 2013 #47

Most of the witnesses didn't look outside until after the gunshot. Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #42

Holding down the hands of a dead man. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #44

Can't tell the difference between dark red and "dark" colors in the dark. yardwork Jun 2013 #82

One of those witness also claims that Z shot TM three times in the back. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #89

Forensics do not support TM on top. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #90

Isn't that the way Zimmerman is now portraying his injuries? The OP is saying that Zimmerman's pacalo Jun 2013 #5

Zimmerman has always maintained that he acted in self defense Azathoth Jun 2013 #7

Link, please, showing reputable source showing that to be true. uppityperson Jun 2013 #8

Link for what? What did I say that is so controversial it needs to be sourced? nt Azathoth Jun 2013 #10

"he, or at least his family, did claim that his nose was broken, and we now that to be true." uppityperson Jun 2013 #11

Which part do you want sourced? The claim that his nose was broken, or the fact it is true? Azathoth Jun 2013 #12

To simplify, "we now know that to be true". Link? nt uppityperson Jun 2013 #13

I'm not clear what you think I'm making up here Azathoth Jun 2013 #14

Ah, a year old abc story. Thank you. I was hoping for something more like x-rays or medical report uppityperson Jun 2013 #15

So, what does that mean? I didn't break into the hospital and steal his x-rays for you, Azathoth Jun 2013 #16

Why do you act like that? I ask for a link and you get all nasty and accusatory. uppityperson Jun 2013 #17

I produced a credible link and your response came off as dismissive. Azathoth Jun 2013 #18

thank you, that is all I had seen, that it "appeared" but no confirmed diagnosis. They are releasing uppityperson Jun 2013 #21

Fair enough. It seems to me something of a hair-splitting point, though n/t Azathoth Jun 2013 #22

Unconfirmed diagnosis = not accurate or true diagnosis. uppityperson Jun 2013 #24

That doesn't necessarily follow, or at least the 'not accurate' part doesn't follow Azathoth Jun 2013 #28

A PA's unconfirmed diagnosis may or may not be true or accurate but should not be held up as fact. uppityperson Jun 2013 #52

So now a Physician's Assistant is not qualified to diagnose a broken nose? Azathoth Jun 2013 #77

You miss the point. Not without a diagnosis and you seem to only want to be insulting, not discuss. uppityperson Jun 2013 #78

Ah, ok, I get the act Azathoth Jun 2013 #79

Projection. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #80

if his nose was broken, why didn't he go to the hospital? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #31

And why did he not follow up with the ENT like he was told to? I agree. uppityperson Jun 2013 #51

No evidence that Zimmerman's nose was broken by Martin. None. yardwork Jun 2013 #83

he thought it was serious enough to kill him JI7 Jun 2013 #20

True, and if confronted by a stalker with a gun, I'd be frightened for my life HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #45

Zimmerman thought it was greivous. Sheepshank Jun 2013 #56

But he did sustain the head bashing treestar Jun 2013 #72

There's no evidence, other than Z's own words, that TM did the bashing uponit7771 Jun 2013 #75

His own words might have some bolstering had he gone to the hospital treestar Jun 2013 #76

Because he didn't have a lawyer to do the pre-calculating for him. pacalo Jun 2013 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #9

I've said the same from the beginning TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #19

because AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #23

So the photos taken by the police that night aren't proof he was injured? n/t Azathoth Jun 2013 #25

I don't trust the police at that particular station. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #27

people seem to forget(or want to forget)there was the whole problem JI7 Jun 2013 #29

Hat tip to Charles Blow who was outraged by no charges AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #30

Actually, Dr. Fredric Rieders committed perjury about the EDTA. reusrename Jun 2013 #88

I've seen numerous photos of Zimmerman taken that night that look like he is perfectly fine. yardwork Jun 2013 #84

The pics were taken by a neighbor at the scene B2G Jun 2013 #48

Really? Which pictures are those? As I said, I've been busy elsewhere, not following daily and would uppityperson Jun 2013 #53

Joe Manalo took them with his iphone B2G Jun 2013 #60

Thank you, I appreciate it. Off to read. uppityperson Jun 2013 #62

You're welcome n/t B2G Jun 2013 #63

Of course he wasnt in fear of being killed. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #32

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Enjoy your stay. nt darkangel218 Jun 2013 #36

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Not defending Zimmerman, cause I pretty much think he's guilty justiceischeap Jun 2013 #37

I wonder if the 2 mugging you feared for their lives also. Since Z was the one pursuing with the gun uppityperson Jun 2013 #54

That's fair. And I believe that Trayvon Martin felt that he was being mugged or attacked. yardwork Jun 2013 #86

I totally agree but I'm just stating that you can be in fear of your life without justiceischeap Jun 2013 #87

No insurance? Sienna86 Jun 2013 #39

This is an astonishingly silly question. dairydog91 Jun 2013 #40

*If* Martin did slam Zimmerman's head into the pavement. If. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #46

Did they really say that? FunkyLeprechaun Jun 2013 #49

Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all. uppityperson Jun 2013 #55

Imagine this, you're in an auto accident Savannahmann Jun 2013 #50

Here is where your scenario breaks down"You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt uppityperson Jun 2013 #57

Hardly. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #58

My, was such a reply really necessary to a simple disagreement of part of what you wrote? uppityperson Jun 2013 #59

Absolutely Savannahmann Jun 2013 #61

And rather than civil discussion you stoop to insults. Interesting. uppityperson Jun 2013 #64

A civil discussion requires both people to communicate honestly. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #66

I disagreed with part of what you said, you attacked me and insulted me. Do you want discussion or uppityperson Jun 2013 #67

Your disagreement was an intentional misrepresentation. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #68

Oh. Kay. I agree that adrenaline during an incident makes things different. Time changes. Perception uppityperson Jun 2013 #69

Because he knew... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #65

Good argument treestar Jun 2013 #70

Several years ago a car driven by an intoxicated person clipped a telephone pole ... spin Jun 2013 #71

Drugs in his system madokie Jun 2013 #73

I can only assume it's because what the cop on the witnrss stand said. egduj Jun 2013 #74

As someone else stated pipi_k Jun 2013 #81

Because he is tough, due to the fact he carries a gun. Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #85

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