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Savannahmann

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50. Imagine this, you're in an auto accident
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jun 2013

Nearly all of us have been. There is a loud crash, perhaps you saw it coming, perhaps it was a complete surprise. You are thrown against your seat belt, perhaps your airbag deploys violently into your face. Shock, fear, and confusion reign at this moment. How many times have we heard that someone who refused treatment at the scene actually suffered severe injuries? Spinal injuries are the norm here, but not strictly limited.

The reverse is also true. At that moment, you may well think you are moments from death. You may well think that the smoke coming from your airbag is the first sign of fire, and that impression is probably helped by the heat of the airbag, they get bloody hot. You smell heat, feel it, see the wisp of smoke. Fear propels you to tear out of the car, and if you have passengers you are shouting at them to get out now. Fire, you must get out of the car before the fire.

Fear is the thing. Fear is incidental, and once the incident is over, fear subsides, but the fear is real. When police make mistakes, we always hear how they are going to get additional training. The idea is that the training can teach them to better think through the fear, but for some it is a lost cause. The fear in such an incident as a fight, for your life, or a car crash can and does tend to operate on instinct. Your instinctive response is fight, or flight. Protect or flee. If you are a parent, and your children are in the car, you will ignore your own injuries while struggling against an airbag and everything else to get to your children, check on them, care for them.

At that moment, while your head is bouncing on the ground, the fear of death is quite possible. Because you don't know how bad you are hurt. You feel the impacts, but part of you knows that adrenaline is masking the injuries. That is what it does, and that is why we have it. To help give us an edge in a life or death situation. Make us stronger, faster, allow us to think just a bit more quickly.

Now, here we go. Is it entirely possible that Zimmerman while this single moment in time was going on felt for a moment that he would not live through this? Yes. Even though I think he was as wrong as a screen door on a submarine for following Martin, I also think at that moment in the incident he could well have imagined himself seconds, or even moments from serious injury, or death.

After the accident, you calm down, adrenaline starts to subside, you feel a couple aches and you check yourself out. No broken bones, no serious pain anywhere. You talk to people, you're shaken, but otherwise unharmed. After the fact, when you are better able to process the information coming at you, you make a decision, probably accurate, that you're really fine. You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt.

Assuming that you like most of us has been in a fairly minor accident, or some other situation. Remember the feeling of relief you had when you and those who you knew, your children, friends, co-workers were alive and uninjured. Remember that moment of dread, where you were keenly aware of the possibility that not everyone, especially yourself, or your children, would not be well.

After the fact, your brain is working better, processing information better. At that moment, the moment of the event, your mind may not be processing information accurately. The relief of being alive, and essentially uninjured. Does that relief diminish the reality of that moment, when you were in fear of being injured, or killed in the accident? Is your eventual understanding of being alive and unharmed increased, or minimized by the fear you felt for that moment?

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That is, indeed, a very good question. uppityperson Jun 2013 #1
You are implying that a person actually has to sustain a grievous or fatal injury Azathoth Jun 2013 #2
I think the implication is there is a huge difference between "oh shit! I'm gonna die!" and "oh, uppityperson Jun 2013 #4
The "oh never mind" doesn't occur while someone is straddling you Azathoth Jun 2013 #6
Except the testimony provided under oath Coccydynia Jun 2013 #26
What trial are you watching? All the state eyewitnesses put the man in a dark shirt (Trayvon) shadowrider Jun 2013 #33
I think you are color blind, or perhaps Coccydynia Jun 2013 #34
there is conflicting testimony as to who was on top DrDan Jun 2013 #41
As is always the case. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #43
he does support Z's case DrDan Jun 2013 #47
Most of the witnesses didn't look outside until after the gunshot. Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #42
Holding down the hands of a dead man. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #44
Can't tell the difference between dark red and "dark" colors in the dark. yardwork Jun 2013 #82
One of those witness also claims that Z shot TM three times in the back. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #89
Forensics do not support TM on top. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #90
Isn't that the way Zimmerman is now portraying his injuries? The OP is saying that Zimmerman's pacalo Jun 2013 #5
Zimmerman has always maintained that he acted in self defense Azathoth Jun 2013 #7
Link, please, showing reputable source showing that to be true. uppityperson Jun 2013 #8
Link for what? What did I say that is so controversial it needs to be sourced? nt Azathoth Jun 2013 #10
"he, or at least his family, did claim that his nose was broken, and we now that to be true." uppityperson Jun 2013 #11
Which part do you want sourced? The claim that his nose was broken, or the fact it is true? Azathoth Jun 2013 #12
To simplify, "we now know that to be true". Link? nt uppityperson Jun 2013 #13
I'm not clear what you think I'm making up here Azathoth Jun 2013 #14
Ah, a year old abc story. Thank you. I was hoping for something more like x-rays or medical report uppityperson Jun 2013 #15
So, what does that mean? I didn't break into the hospital and steal his x-rays for you, Azathoth Jun 2013 #16
Why do you act like that? I ask for a link and you get all nasty and accusatory. uppityperson Jun 2013 #17
I produced a credible link and your response came off as dismissive. Azathoth Jun 2013 #18
thank you, that is all I had seen, that it "appeared" but no confirmed diagnosis. They are releasing uppityperson Jun 2013 #21
Fair enough. It seems to me something of a hair-splitting point, though n/t Azathoth Jun 2013 #22
Unconfirmed diagnosis = not accurate or true diagnosis. uppityperson Jun 2013 #24
That doesn't necessarily follow, or at least the 'not accurate' part doesn't follow Azathoth Jun 2013 #28
A PA's unconfirmed diagnosis may or may not be true or accurate but should not be held up as fact. uppityperson Jun 2013 #52
So now a Physician's Assistant is not qualified to diagnose a broken nose? Azathoth Jun 2013 #77
You miss the point. Not without a diagnosis and you seem to only want to be insulting, not discuss. uppityperson Jun 2013 #78
Ah, ok, I get the act Azathoth Jun 2013 #79
Projection. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #80
if his nose was broken, why didn't he go to the hospital? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #31
And why did he not follow up with the ENT like he was told to? I agree. uppityperson Jun 2013 #51
No evidence that Zimmerman's nose was broken by Martin. None. yardwork Jun 2013 #83
he thought it was serious enough to kill him JI7 Jun 2013 #20
True, and if confronted by a stalker with a gun, I'd be frightened for my life HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #45
Zimmerman thought it was greivous. Sheepshank Jun 2013 #56
But he did sustain the head bashing treestar Jun 2013 #72
There's no evidence, other than Z's own words, that TM did the bashing uponit7771 Jun 2013 #75
His own words might have some bolstering had he gone to the hospital treestar Jun 2013 #76
Because he didn't have a lawyer to do the pre-calculating for him. pacalo Jun 2013 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #9
I've said the same from the beginning TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #19
because AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #23
So the photos taken by the police that night aren't proof he was injured? n/t Azathoth Jun 2013 #25
I don't trust the police at that particular station. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #27
people seem to forget(or want to forget)there was the whole problem JI7 Jun 2013 #29
Hat tip to Charles Blow who was outraged by no charges AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #30
Actually, Dr. Fredric Rieders committed perjury about the EDTA. reusrename Jun 2013 #88
I've seen numerous photos of Zimmerman taken that night that look like he is perfectly fine. yardwork Jun 2013 #84
The pics were taken by a neighbor at the scene B2G Jun 2013 #48
Really? Which pictures are those? As I said, I've been busy elsewhere, not following daily and would uppityperson Jun 2013 #53
Joe Manalo took them with his iphone B2G Jun 2013 #60
Thank you, I appreciate it. Off to read. uppityperson Jun 2013 #62
You're welcome n/t B2G Jun 2013 #63
Of course he wasnt in fear of being killed. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #35
Enjoy your stay. nt darkangel218 Jun 2013 #36
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #38
Not defending Zimmerman, cause I pretty much think he's guilty justiceischeap Jun 2013 #37
I wonder if the 2 mugging you feared for their lives also. Since Z was the one pursuing with the gun uppityperson Jun 2013 #54
That's fair. And I believe that Trayvon Martin felt that he was being mugged or attacked. yardwork Jun 2013 #86
I totally agree but I'm just stating that you can be in fear of your life without justiceischeap Jun 2013 #87
No insurance? Sienna86 Jun 2013 #39
This is an astonishingly silly question. dairydog91 Jun 2013 #40
*If* Martin did slam Zimmerman's head into the pavement. If. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #46
Did they really say that? FunkyLeprechaun Jun 2013 #49
Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all. uppityperson Jun 2013 #55
Imagine this, you're in an auto accident Savannahmann Jun 2013 #50
Here is where your scenario breaks down"You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt uppityperson Jun 2013 #57
Hardly. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #58
My, was such a reply really necessary to a simple disagreement of part of what you wrote? uppityperson Jun 2013 #59
Absolutely Savannahmann Jun 2013 #61
And rather than civil discussion you stoop to insults. Interesting. uppityperson Jun 2013 #64
A civil discussion requires both people to communicate honestly. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #66
I disagreed with part of what you said, you attacked me and insulted me. Do you want discussion or uppityperson Jun 2013 #67
Your disagreement was an intentional misrepresentation. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #68
Oh. Kay. I agree that adrenaline during an incident makes things different. Time changes. Perception uppityperson Jun 2013 #69
Because he knew... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #65
Good argument treestar Jun 2013 #70
Several years ago a car driven by an intoxicated person clipped a telephone pole ... spin Jun 2013 #71
Drugs in his system madokie Jun 2013 #73
I can only assume it's because what the cop on the witnrss stand said. egduj Jun 2013 #74
As someone else stated pipi_k Jun 2013 #81
Because he is tough, due to the fact he carries a gun. Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #85
Spam deleted by MIR Team sandieg Dec 2013 #91
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