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44. Ah, the "early AuH2O" label. Yeah, on a lifelong Dem. We'll DO IT LIVE!1

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.... I'm a right-wing libertarian
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We are in deep shit with our European allies. [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

How sad that the EU has more power to influence US spy programs than American citizens. reformist2 Jun 2013 #1

It's a big PR game. We tap them, they tap us. They act outraged, we promise to be nice. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #2

When did the EU systematically target US gov installations? Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #4

And you hinestly believe that the US tapped German lines without knowledge of the Germans? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #5

That's what the story says. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #9

"Are you that dense?" Typical. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #11

I see you didn't answer my post. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #13

This is a great way to deflect your responsibility nineteen50 Jun 2013 #51

We have troops stationed in a number of places in Germany. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #89

Even if the US did tap German lines . . . brush Jun 2013 #54

Everyone spies on everyone Lordquinton Jun 2013 #91

Exactly. If you're not spying you're not trying. nt brush Jun 2013 #95

Unfortunately we got caught Lordquinton Jun 2013 #100

Yep! That's how it works. brush Jun 2013 #109

I honestly believe that the German Government had no knowledge, nor gave any permission Pachamama Jun 2013 #59

Yeah, well, a lot of people are shocked the US is capable of it, too. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #68

Plus, the reason the German leadership denies this is to avoid the ire of the citizens flamingdem Jun 2013 #72

Do you mean the EU literally, or will member states do? Recursion Jun 2013 #14

Please post. As I said, I must have missed those stories. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #16

Google "Groupe Bull" (spelling fixed) for a starter Recursion Jun 2013 #19

And? It's a French computer company muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #110

That is what the minority refuse to acknowledge the unprecedented scope, and suspicionless nature usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #25

You missed it because nobody covers it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #76

The reason you didn't hear about it is gholtron Jun 2013 #77

I think this is a pretty serious sitiuation. We'll see how it sugars off. cali Jun 2013 #7

False outrage by Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger Kolesar Jun 2013 #8

Not enemies. The official designation is "third class partners" Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #10

New Zealand and the UK have both spied on us in the past two decades Recursion Jun 2013 #15

Then it's ironic that we give them preferred status. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #17

Every country, and I mean *every* country, puts intel assets in their embassies. Period. Recursion Jun 2013 #21

Is this story about implanting intel assets in embassies? Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #22

Taps don't work without them Recursion Jun 2013 #23

I absolutely agree that all nations implant agents in their embassies. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #26

Here's a translation (via Chrome) of the first four paragraphs. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #37

Ms. Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger used the term "enemies" Kolesar Jun 2013 #20

Bingo. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #32

But those are the citizens we've been spying on. caseymoz Jun 2013 #67

And their spying isn't aimed at the government either. jeff47 Jun 2013 #84

I don't think our relations with the EU are anywhere near as close as they are with the UK... reformist2 Jun 2013 #30

If they rebuild the Internet and Telecoms caseymoz Jun 2013 #66

Sychophantics is a way of life. N'est pas? nt PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #33

You know what's funny about your comment .... Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #69

I agree that our posts are not particularly note worthy. PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #94

But these were aimed at civilians! caseymoz Jun 2013 #64

What's wrong with this picture is you're conflating the people with their government. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #71

In the growing government incursion on rights . . . caseymoz Jun 2013 #80

If you have not seen outrage over this, you have not been paying attention. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #88

I think we differ on what we mean by outrage. caseymoz Jun 2013 #96

Something tells me life will go on BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #3

+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #6

This ^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #36

All moral relativism, no principles whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #49

Keep that label maker working overtime. It's better than not having a hobby at all. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #73

That's what life is like treestar Jun 2013 #83

Well if you prefer a world were the guiding principle is whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #85

You have to in order to survive treestar Jun 2013 #87

Like the current administration? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #90

Let me phrase what you are saying "They need us, so FUCK THEM!!". Sound correct? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #112

No it sounds like they need us so they aren't going to treestar Jun 2013 #113

But poutrage is more fun than life! tridim Jun 2013 #52

Baaaaaahhhhh wtmusic Jun 2013 #57

That could be the childish response to every story ever published. morningfog Jun 2013 #74

and where was it suggested that it wouldn't? cali Jun 2013 #92

... and whether or not you like it that way is another matter. sibelian Jun 2013 #105

I would be interested to see evidence that the EU systematically targeted US gov installations Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #12

+1 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #35

Why do you think they'd only spy on the US gov? jeff47 Jun 2013 #78

my guess - there is big, big money in all of this shit, both sides, all sides- on one hand, I am not NRaleighLiberal Jun 2013 #18

+1 leftstreet Jun 2013 #27

It is all about stealing and profit making, not security and safety Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #29

money and power with ZERO oversight or regulation grasswire Jun 2013 #103

This is plainly wrong, Snowden story has nothing to do with this. We shouldn't spy on allies. JackN415 Jun 2013 #24

Just Like We Should Not Spy On Our Own Citizens cantbeserious Jun 2013 #28

It wasn't spying on citizen for private info.It was meta data for pattern recognition. Not the same JackN415 Jun 2013 #38

Calling It What You Will - Spying Is Spying cantbeserious Jun 2013 #40

like "living" is "living". Simple words do not reveal/solve problems. That's for the dark age. eom. JackN415 Jun 2013 #42

Well Like The Dark Ages - Maybe Some Don't Have The Vision To See What Is Going On In the World cantbeserious Jun 2013 #43

That's the NSA's take on it, anyway. wtmusic Jun 2013 #65

And when those allies spy on us? jeff47 Jun 2013 #79

I'm so sick of my country being the world police agency protecting and serving the 1%. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #31

On the "bright" side, Russia is thrilled & producing t.v. "news" shows about its newfound role as UTUSN Jun 2013 #34

''Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!'' DeSwiss Jun 2013 #41

Ah, the "early AuH2O" label. Yeah, on a lifelong Dem. We'll DO IT LIVE!1 UTUSN Jun 2013 #44

Oddly..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #45

Well, thanks for steering me to the full GREENWALD article I couldn't find. And I'm not sure UTUSN Jun 2013 #48

Russia might as well take up the banner of human rights marions ghost Jun 2013 #108

AHHHHhhhhhhh!1 Thanks for that. n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #114

If all this nixes yet another assinine "fair trade" deal CanonRay Jun 2013 #39

If the NSA wants to help, bug the offices of the TPP negotiators. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2013 #46

In order to stop the beast you must nineteen50 Jun 2013 #47

Ingrates! They don't appreciate that our spying on them is really a mark of respect and friendship. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #50

It's a sign of caring. Quantess Jun 2013 #53

good. robinlynne Jun 2013 #55

No one can blame this on Snowden. wtmusic Jun 2013 #56

Dear God vdogg Jun 2013 #58

They both put themselves in extreme danger what what they believed in wtmusic Jun 2013 #62

I look forward to future posts equating Snowden to Jesus jeff47 Jun 2013 #86

Obviously your self-sacrifices outshine all. wtmusic Jun 2013 #101

I'm happily irrelevant. But attacking me doesn't solve your problem jeff47 Jun 2013 #115

Comparing Snowden to Pol Pot? That's rich. wtmusic Jul 2013 #120

It's your criteria for greatness. jeff47 Jul 2013 #121

Sure am Glad vdogg Jun 2013 #60

You should be. wtmusic Jun 2013 #63

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #61

Al Qaeda my ass. dkf Jun 2013 #70

And, our government is digging itself deeper into the shit. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #75

What, your previous reply to the same thread wasn't getting enough attention? jeff47 Jun 2013 #82

Tsk. Tsk. Two replies to one OP! The horror. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #99

Well, there is an unlimited supply of characters for a single post. jeff47 Jun 2013 #116

God made time so everything wouldn't happen at once. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #117

Snowden keeps proving he's not about revealing domestic surveillance. Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #81

Nope. He's just trying to make his anti-government libertarian friends happy... Galraedia Jun 2013 #107

They just want their pony! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #93

You reap what you sow. The fallout will be from our attitude towards the world, not Snowden n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #97

Yup we are. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #98

Link To New PRISM Details From The Washington Post - How The NSA Collects The Data cantbeserious Jun 2013 #102

Still waiting for proof of the EU bugging USgov offices. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #104

All they have to do is assert it. sibelian Jun 2013 #106

+1 Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #111

it's really not that big a thing at all JI7 Jul 2013 #118

Many in the US are just as pissed as they are. blackspade Jul 2013 #119

Just wait till we get to the part about manipulation of friendly governments. roamer65 Jul 2013 #122