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In reply to the discussion: Dear mother of Gawd, I am tired of arguing with rocks [View all]RC
(25,592 posts)172. It is obvious to those 6 jurors they just do not understand how really benign all this secret spying
on everyone, just in case one of us might break the law sometime in the future.
It is all perfectly legal because a secret court and some DU'ers say so.
1984 is just a figment of some drug addled psycho's imagination. That can never happen, because the United States is the bestest, most honestpolice country in the whole world. We are all safer when the people above the law, those who know how the best, spy on the rest of us to keep us safe.
It is all perfectly legal because a secret court and some DU'ers say so.
1984 is just a figment of some drug addled psycho's imagination. That can never happen, because the United States is the bestest, most honest
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Some of the "rocks" are pros. They are probably paid for volume of posts. Ignore them if you
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#129
No, it's Constitutional because the Supreme Court said so almost 40 years ago
Recursion
Jun 2013
#17
The ruling is clear that the dialing of numbers doesn't have a Constitutional expectation of privacy
Recursion
Jun 2013
#24
We're not stuck with any law. It is up to the people to make it clear how they feel about anyone
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#53
Most of the people arguing with you here are griefing trolls or paid shills.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#6
Yes, don't injure your beautiful minds by being subjected to opinions that differ from yours.
randome
Jun 2013
#14
There are cracks in the meme that "the NSA collection of data is only for catching terrorists".
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#134
Actually, I trust the NSA to not misuse that metadata far more than I do Verizon
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2013
#217
I know. Plus keeping the metadata in one place makes warrant searches much easier.
randome
Jun 2013
#227
Most folks think he was behind the coup in Honduras shortly after Obama was sworn in.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#247
LOL! Those babies will dish it out, but go squealing to work the refs when they get challenged.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#105
It is obvious to those 6 jurors they just do not understand how really benign all this secret spying
RC
Jun 2013
#172
Why is your email your own personal data? It's not even stored on your computer?
Coccydynia
Jun 2013
#12
Your link is about wiretaps. The NSA does not wiretap. The FBI does and with a warrant.
randome
Jun 2013
#95
I can't find anything older than United States v. Miller (1976) and Smith v. Maryland (1979).
randome
Jun 2013
#131
Gee, maybe you should read Apple's (as one example) disclosure of their iCloud privacy policies
spooky3
Jun 2013
#165
How to tell when you've won the argument: the other person resorts to distraction & irrelevancies.
spooky3
Jun 2013
#187
There's no evidence they are NOT spying on whoever the hell they damn well please.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#30
It's not about Snowden. It's about the track record of the US. We were spied on durring the 60's.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#96
Binney says "his view" and "ability". And he's been out of the NSA for some time.
randome
Jun 2013
#136
There you go, automatically assuming there is a 'total surveillance apparatus'.
randome
Jun 2013
#178
Tice talks to his sources in the NSA, do you doubt that he has them? n/t
Waiting For Everyman
Jun 2013
#205
I'm don't usually indulge unless someone's smarting off at another person - or at me.
IrishAyes
Jun 2013
#80
Good IT jobs, wonder how many ac/heater techs there will be? Those won't be bad either. n/t
jtuck004
Jun 2013
#59
Still pushing that meme. Then explain why if I stalk my neighbor's phone activity and collect and
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#107
I doubt that any amount of evidence will break you out of your denial bubble.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#216
The fact that you are so sure it's ridiculous that our government would spy on us
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#235
You left out a group that includes yourself. Group C that is determined to disparage Snowden and
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#241
Most of what you say are lies. You are making claims about him to suit your denial agenda. Put your
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#264
True, but the meta data is or rather was the private property of the phone company.
RC
Jun 2013
#174
That was Bush. Excluding Qwest from a government contract is about the least amount of 'pressure'.
randome
Jun 2013
#177
As said before, I don't usually indulge except to avoid saying something even worse
IrishAyes
Jun 2013
#138
But I read all wars are over and everybody has universal health care, LOL
Corruption Inc
Jun 2013
#26
But but but we don't want to wait for a mushroom cloud or a dirty bomb in a suit case.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#27
You claim that our government isnt spying because you are sure your Big Brother Authoritarian DAddy
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#88
Under the NDAA 2014, a new agency is being formed specifically to analyze data and metadata.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#32
i'm sure the definition of "terrorist" is as pliable as the definition of "collecting data"
nashville_brook
Jun 2013
#69
you wrote "The "majority of Congress" doesn't even know what is going on."
Progressive dog
Jul 2013
#276
Congressional oversight is a joke. First of all, many in Congress support spying on the masses.
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#274
So you don't support democracy or our constitutional form of government
Progressive dog
Jul 2013
#275
"So you don't support democracy or our constitutional form of government" Really?
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#277
Since my aversion to RW media, I have to come here to find out what they've been up to.
IrishAyes
Jun 2013
#43
Just because your call may be handled by more than one service provider, does not change anything.
RC
Jun 2013
#193
Well said, thank you. You would think it would be a simple thing for people to figure out
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#52
Maybe we do, but that information is still private as far as the government is concerned, if it has
RC
Jun 2013
#194
"Then to store this data for future querying in criminal cases is fucking scary."
Progressive dog
Jun 2013
#71
There have been some court cases in the past.. that what the discussions were about.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#256
Appellate court decisions disagree with you, and since they are the experts on the Constitution...
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#101
Actually, the appellate courts are split on what constitutes "expectation of privacy,"
leveymg
Jun 2013
#103
The Courts already hold Foreign espionage/terrorism is an exception to the 4th amendment for electro
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#104
We are not talking about Foreign Intel, we are talking about Domestic Intel.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#108
No, it is your opinion that it is domestic intel. The intended purpose is National Security
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#109
Why is this so hard for you to understand? My Verizon calls from the US within the US
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#111
You can rephrase it as many ways as you want, it's still your opinion and neither of us has seen
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#113
You can reframe it as a protocol matter as many times as you want. It's still a matter of faith that
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#139
If you had said the same thing in 2007 - not one single person here would have disagreed with you
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#130
IOW... there are no boundaries in this or any other nation where one finds "yes-man"s...
MrMickeysMom
Jun 2013
#192
Keep in mind that governments that build surveillance infrastructures
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#242
"arguing with rocks"=accept my position because I'm not changing it.
great white snark
Jun 2013
#144
There is no "case law". The Rocks want to sweep this whole mess under the rug.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#147
You cant take out the position of "let's investigate more" too soon. Some here
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#208
The difference is choice. I can choose to give a corporation my information or not.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#195
GREAT POST! But people here are clueless. If Obama does it it is OK. No questions asked! n-t
Logical
Jun 2013
#162
My dear bean, consider the possibility that you may be arguing with plants, as well as rocks. nt
Zorra
Jun 2013
#181
Dear Gawd, thank you for making boston bean so smart. Signed a very grateful mother.
midnight
Jun 2013
#185