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Javaman

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43. I offer the second suggestion as a way to offset
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 12:32 PM
Feb 2012

the economic hardship that would be suffered by these folks.

The fuel credits would work in tandum with relocation.

It's one thing to move, but it's also an economic hardship to people having to that relocation.

It's not an all or nothing situation. Everything has to be done in steps.

If with the fuel credits you also offer housing credits to those who move, then a phased in policy of credits being removed over time, to match the house hold income, then people would be more open to the option of moving closer in.

but all of this would be dependant upon the city opening up affordable housing within city limits.

I have actually thought long and hard about this issue and have worked with groups brainstorming over how to approach a society with a lot less fossil fuels.

One other idea that had been floated, would be "job swaping". Just a theory of course.

The other was "satilite" offices. Where no longer there would be "central hubs" for the larger businesses or corporations.

And for those who work in jobs that require them to still drive into the city, those people would get preferential treatment for housings. aka emergency workers, police, firemen, doctors and nurses.

After them, it would be people in public works and public transport workers.

The real issue at hand, isn't the fact that people refuse to move per say, or even economic, there are also political forces at work that wish to keep certain areas free of the "riff raff". Basically the upwardly mobiles that don't want to have a mechanic living next door.

this is a result of the increasing economic divide in our nation.

Myself, as much as anyone that grew up in this nation 40 years ago, grew up in a suburb made up of doctors and lawyers who lived side by side mechanics and policemen. (FYI, my dad was a mechanic for the dept of sanitation in NYC).

And due to the now economic and class divide, people are less apt to move let alone be accepting to those of a "lower class".

The onus has to be taken off class seperation in order for any city government to move forward in making opportunities availible for those who live beyond the city limits and commute 40 miles one way.

And the only way that can happen is via understanding, compassion and to decrease the economic divide.

The solutions needed to fix the problems with transportation, fossil fuel, distance from work and the reasons why there isn't affordable housing is an amazingly complex problem that can't be solved by telling people to fend for themselves. That only creates more divide and sadly, more poverty.

And just as a qualifier, I fully understand that not everyone who make a 30-40 mile commute one way is of a lower economic situation. My work with the brainstorming was aimed only at those who don't have the economic means to move or to make a job change.

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4 to 5 bucks for gas coming!? [View all] unionworks Feb 2012 OP
The ecomomy seems to be recovering so the 1% who own the oil companies are trying to kill it liberal N proud Feb 2012 #1
In this case its not so much a Democrat as it is a black man doing a white mans job madokie Feb 2012 #9
Yep, that is really getting under their skin liberal N proud Feb 2012 #50
Or maybe it's due to speculation based on threats made by Iran abowsh Feb 2012 #67
... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #85
It's almost $3.80 here so I'd believe it. ejpoeta Feb 2012 #2
We just paid $80.00 to fill the tank dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #66
At some point it's as inevitable as the sunrise.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #3
I remember 15 cents a gallon. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #10
I remember driving around with my dad as a kid Javaman Feb 2012 #20
I wonder what that would translate to in today's dollars E-Z-B Feb 2012 #48
A main reason why I am unemployed. When you have to decide on food and rent or gas to just look for sunwyn Feb 2012 #4
We have passed Peak Oil jimlup Feb 2012 #5
+1 Javaman Feb 2012 #21
That's no excuse for the supply manipulation uponit7771 Feb 2012 #40
Yes, that's what I see, too customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #6
And NJ has some of the lowest gas prices in the nation KamaAina Feb 2012 #61
Oh, yes, and full-serve to boot customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #70
Republican Stepdad always fills up in Jersey KamaAina Feb 2012 #72
BINGO! Right you are. nt Kahuna Feb 2012 #7
Actually, gas prices plummeted leading up to the election in 2008. Angleae Feb 2012 #8
you are correct unionworks Feb 2012 #14
Don't let facts get in the way abowsh Feb 2012 #69
Generally agreed except for the strategic oil reserve stuff taterguy Feb 2012 #11
+1 Javaman Feb 2012 #23
Price of oil (and therefore gasoline) isn't going up because of the election SmileyRose Feb 2012 #12
I have to wonder unionworks Feb 2012 #16
The crazies are merely a wealth keeping tool for the 1% SmileyRose Feb 2012 #73
Just another way libtodeath Feb 2012 #13
If gas goes to $5 per gallon, the Chinese will invade us... Bruce Wayne Feb 2012 #15
thanks unionworks Feb 2012 #18
Would that be so bad? Javaman Feb 2012 #25
The word for "Welcome" is AsahinaKimi Feb 2012 #56
Is there anything beer cant do? -Homer Simpson nt Javaman Feb 2012 #57
man girls with guns and boots my favorite. thanks. n/t. okieinpain Feb 2012 #28
I wonder why the girl in the middle is smiling, yet everyone else is stern looking. nt Selatius Feb 2012 #75
The question is why? Because we are making inroads into alternative fuels and relying less nanabugg Feb 2012 #17
I have the same theory unionworks Feb 2012 #19
I know that it sucks, but how long do you think cheap gas can last? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #22
Just sit there and kvetch about gas prices while they jack you around wood snake sadge Feb 2012 #24
and what do you say to the people that... Javaman Feb 2012 #26
THEIR jobs? Well... wood snake sadge Feb 2012 #27
you have nothing. Javaman Feb 2012 #31
What's life like on your planet? PVnRT Feb 2012 #58
yes because it's a buyer's market out there... I mean, employers are ejpoeta Feb 2012 #83
That's a world built on cheap oil: Ron Green Feb 2012 #32
That's all nice and good, but it doesn't answer my question... Javaman Feb 2012 #33
I'm afraid "outside the box" in this case means Ron Green Feb 2012 #36
Again, you don't answer the question... Javaman Feb 2012 #37
Your former suggestion is in the right direction, the latter one Ron Green Feb 2012 #38
I offer the second suggestion as a way to offset Javaman Feb 2012 #43
The housing industry is shifting to multiple dwelling units for rental FarCenter Feb 2012 #46
I'm aware of that, but at the same time, many cities who are experiencing growth... Javaman Feb 2012 #54
US cities will become more like European ones FarCenter Feb 2012 #59
You mean like it is now. Javaman Feb 2012 #60
I salute your efforts and your thoughtfulness Ron Green Feb 2012 #47
And that is the mission... Javaman Feb 2012 #53
How about people MOVING when where they live no longer is economically viable? yup its me Feb 2012 #64
so you are another who chooses to be rude. Javaman Feb 2012 #71
Affordable housing within city limits? That's the OPPOSITE of what (Dem!) City Administrations want. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #74
City government is just as prone to being paid off as the US House or Senate. Selatius Feb 2012 #77
+1 nt Javaman Feb 2012 #78
This is definitely a problem in rural areas, including small towns Nikia Feb 2012 #80
I have been writing to my city councel about bringing back overhead electrified trollies. Javaman Feb 2012 #84
Yeah! And grow all of your food too! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #86
Rush has been pushing this mantra I guess it's spilled over snooper2 Feb 2012 #29
I find it crazy that this is shocking. didn't gas get to 4.00 bucks okieinpain Feb 2012 #30
Here is a comment unionworks Feb 2012 #34
Heard a lady from Lundberg on NPR downplaying this possibility. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #35
What with all the war drums beating for Iran, I think it's possible. Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #39
In my small town unionworks Feb 2012 #41
You have to figure the Obama administration will do everything in its power to keep bullwinkle428 Feb 2012 #42
Gas Buddy has $3.481 as the national average today FarCenter Feb 2012 #44
Just wait till Iran gets attacked. L0oniX Feb 2012 #45
Sooner or later YES prices like that are coming. kenny blankenship Feb 2012 #49
you aren't really unionworks Feb 2012 #52
Yet the #1 selling vehicle in America is Ford F150 taught_me_patience Feb 2012 #51
I paid $3.91/Gallon last night is SE Connecticut. Throckmorton Feb 2012 #55
Been at $5US/gal in Nova Scotia for months now. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #62
Ouch. And Canada is more sparsely populated than the US. pampango Feb 2012 #63
What does gas cost in China? unionworks Feb 2012 #65
The thing is only a minority of Chinese own cars. It's less of an issue to China as a whole. Selatius Feb 2012 #76
i keep reading that. big oil/gas is not happy about not getting their pipeline. spanone Feb 2012 #68
Welcome to California. Iggo Feb 2012 #79
Fuck Oil Speculators - Fuck them all jpak Feb 2012 #81
I wondered aloud unionworks Feb 2012 #82
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