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ProSense

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145. Are you

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 04:49 PM

Jun 2013

"Gotcha moment? No. I did not understand if you supported or opposed. Massive surveillance of the American people. Now that I understand that you do oppose such activities, I will be looking forward to your posts opposing these programs. I'm thrilled to have somebody as prolific as you joining in on the side of the supporters of 4th amendment rights to oppose the egregious overreach of the Bush era programs, programs that continue under the Obama administration, that violate those rights by engaging in massive surveillance of ordinary people, which you of course, as we all now know, strongly oppose."

...serious? It's like you're inventing your own straw man, and then relishing in some notion you have.

I offered more details on my positon here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3134844

You couldn't accept that.

Here are more opinions:

Another misleading media report implies that warrantless wiretapping is legal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724

Remember whistleblower Thomas Tamm?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023032225

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This is Greenwald's debunk of his support for the Iraq war? [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

Translation: I was for it before I was against it and I was absolutely NEVER for it. ucrdem Jun 2013 #1

+1 nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #9

Another translation: Lie like A Bagger Whisp Jun 2013 #62

Exactly! It was also in one of my posts, pointing out that fact BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #64

Great post. Still up too: ucrdem Jun 2013 #69

Thanks, ucrdem. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #87

And likewise, BlueCaliDem! ucrdem Jun 2013 #102

It's clear that they don't. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #105

Now that's music to my ears! ucrdem Jun 2013 #112

Your posts are like breaths of fresh air BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #194

~~*~~ Hekate Jul 2013 #190

Thanks, Hekate! BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #193

You would be amazed at what I "get." Hissyspit Jun 2013 #109

Sounds like a lot of our Democratic leadership at that time as well. progressoid Jun 2013 #128

It's easy for a person to contradict negative assertions against him baldguy Jun 2013 #2

Kind of like, "I never took a dime from CATO and I made much more money working for the ACLU." ucrdem Jun 2013 #3

He never said he didn't take a dime from CATO. More bullshit Hissyspit Jun 2013 #113

Greenwald is a clown...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #4

He wanted Bush to succeed so much he pretends he did.. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #5

Thank you for providing this valuable information. noamnety Jun 2013 #6

Indeed LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #18

Here's some ProSense Jun 2013 #24

Your phone calls aren't being recorded. Galraedia Jun 2013 #161

If they were recording the conversations noamnety Jun 2013 #164

Because there's no point to it. Galraedia Jun 2013 #165

That's why they just have the phone companies do the recording. They_Live Jul 2013 #199

Yeah, about those phone calls.. You're still in the ignorant hole you've always been in. nm Cha Jun 2013 #183

So you're questioning Greenwald for doing exactly what the Democratic party did? burnodo Jun 2013 #7

I didn't support the Iraq war. ProSense Jun 2013 #11

No Democrat did anything to stop the war burnodo Jun 2013 #16

"I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration." ProSense Jun 2013 #26

If Democrats had "abandoned trust in Bush" why did they support the war? burnodo Jun 2013 #37

Finish the quote: Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #116

The entire quote is in the OP. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #118

Oh good grief. Did you hear that on Democracy Now? ucrdem Jun 2013 #39

Democrats are just as responsible for that war as Republicans burnodo Jun 2013 #41

What you actually said was "No Democrat did anything to stop the war." ucrdem Jun 2013 #43

Could you point out anything any Democrat did to stop the war? burnodo Jun 2013 #47

And that ended that. whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #52

Sorry to disappoint but thoughtful answers take a few minutes. ucrdem Jun 2013 #60

Watch and learn grasshopper: ucrdem Jun 2013 #58

Gee Gee's problem isn't that he was hornswaggled, it's that he denigrates others who were MADem Jun 2013 #45

Attacking the messenger, again with distortions of his actual positions, because you don't like MSG usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #8

Greenwald's own words are "distortions"? ProSense Jun 2013 #12

Not at all, just her charecterizations of them are. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #29

What ProSense doesn't like is tea. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #15

Another cute picture of Paul Revere Progressive dog Jun 2013 #23

ROFL Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #31

Now that's an ultimate DUZy...! nt MADem Jun 2013 #49

HA! Whisp Jun 2013 #76

LOL lol lol lol lol Iliyah Jun 2013 #110

Duzy! flamingdem Jun 2013 #149

that thing takes up a lot of bandwidth! treestar Jun 2013 #160

Oh no, not THIS nonsense again. Stop, or I shall mock you a 2nd time. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #35

That is all you ever got... lame, childish 'mock' to try and shut down discussion usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #50

You aren't discussing anything. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #54

Lord knows, I tangle with the op, but there was nothing deceitful about the op cali Jun 2013 #89

I disagree. Trying to claim that he supports, Bush, the Iraq war, the Carlye group, is deciteful usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #101

Paul Revere? WTF? BumRushDaShow Jun 2013 #140

You have lost. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #10

I "lost"? ProSense Jun 2013 #14

You have lost. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #25

LOL! ProSense Jun 2013 #36

Consider it a service to all of DU Union Scribe Jun 2013 #44

Are you ProSense Jun 2013 #63

No I'm obsessed with DU Union Scribe Jun 2013 #75

LOL! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #78

Who did win the Presidency Progressive dog Jun 2013 #20

You should let ProSense handle the "clever" retorts. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #28

I liked it so well, it bore repeating NT Progressive dog Jun 2013 #57

lost it burnodo Jun 2013 #21

Your posts remind of the movie Rainman Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #13

Hey ProSense Jun 2013 #19

You know what? Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #22

LOL! ProSense Jun 2013 #30

I guess we can add gracious in victory to your resume as well! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #32

Says the person who posts nothing but personal attacks. ProSense Jun 2013 #38

Nope! Not gonna do it! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #53

Good, ProSense Jun 2013 #56

Hey! When are we going to start smearing and sliming Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #65

Does that ProSense Jun 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #94

I'm totally with you now Prosense! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #96

Binney again? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #137

Woo Hoo! Now that's the spirit! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #158

Did you read the quote? Binney is referring to Snowden. BklnDem75 Jun 2013 #180

That was Binney discussing Snowden. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #182

Good research Progressive dog Jun 2013 #17

Oh, for Christ's sake, give it up. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #27

Greenwald is not a politician, and no I will not "give it up." ProSense Jun 2013 #33

I'm not uncomfortable with his words. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #42

No, ProSense Jun 2013 #46

Indeed...the hypocrite who is flinging shit here is Greenwald. That's what's bugging some! MADem Jun 2013 #55

Wrong. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #66

And we'll soon see your posts condemning these people too then.... progressoid Jun 2013 #125

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jun 2013 #73

+1 progressoid Jun 2013 #121

You are the one with the consistency problem. woo me with science Jun 2013 #34

Can't quit ProSense Jun 2013 #40

People aren't that stupid, Prosense. woo me with science Jun 2013 #48

You're right, woo me with science. ProSense Jun 2013 #51

What is it with the asinine Rolling on the Floor smilie Hissyspit Jun 2013 #72

. ProSense Jun 2013 #74

Yeah, just like that... Hissyspit Jun 2013 #98

See ProSense Jun 2013 #100

No. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #106

Hey, ProSense Jun 2013 #111

This: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #114

Yeah, ProSense Jun 2013 #117

As I previously said... Hissyspit Jun 2013 #120

What a twisted web you weave... whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #59

Ah, ProSense Jun 2013 #61

The reason, despite your prodigious efforts, you're mostly ineffective whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #80

Say anything and pretend to speak for everyone. LOL! n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #82

Your views:recs ratios of late whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #88

"Your views:recs ratios of late tell the tale" ProSense Jun 2013 #90

You mean the rogue agency you're carrying water for? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #92

Oooh, that's deep. ProSense Jun 2013 #99

Another Explanation Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #67

Yeah, that's me. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #70

GeeGee is a liar and a fake BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #68

So having been called out for repetitive homophobic name calling noamnety Jun 2013 #93

I got to wonder why you are working so hard to smear people. L0oniX Jun 2013 #71

Do you oppose the mass surveillance of ordinary people by government agencies? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #79

"We have ways of making you talk!" Maybe, ProSense Jun 2013 #84

so you cannot answer the question? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #91

LOL! ProSense Jun 2013 #97

You still have not answered the question I asked. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #138

Oh brother ProSense Jun 2013 #139

Gotcha moment? No. I did not understand if you supported or opposed Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #143

Are you ProSense Jun 2013 #145

So your position is that nothing like a massive surveillance of the American people Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #146

May I ProSense Jun 2013 #151

So that would be a "yes" your position is that there is no massive Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #154

No. ProSense Jun 2013 #155

So you will be posting here against the Obama administration Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #169

Yes, ProSense Jun 2013 #171

Some of my confusion has to do with certain ambiguities in your replies. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #172

On edit, ProSense Jun 2013 #173

Once again you seem to be avoiding a direct answer. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #174

Here: ProSense Jun 2013 #175

It is a simple yes or no question. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #176

"It is a simple yes or no question." ProSense Jun 2013 #177

So you are refusing to answer this simple question in order to keep your thread kicked? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #178

No, I'm LMAO. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #179

That again does not appear to answer the question. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #192

It looks like ProSense answered you 81 posts ago, in reply #97. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #187

No actually in that post she claimed there was no massive domestic surveillance Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #191

She opposed it vociferously under Bush: woo me with science Jun 2013 #86

Can't quit ProSense Jun 2013 #95

"Oh. Only commie stooges, huh?" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #141

And the swarm descends. ucrdem Jun 2013 #81

Here's my favorite GREENWALDism from the same link, which I will use on his fans who call names UTUSN Jun 2013 #83

No doubt about it, that's truly lame and those are weasel words. cali Jun 2013 #85

Not really, it sounds he's explaining his growth, Hissyspit Jun 2013 #103

"he's explaining his growth"? ProSense Jun 2013 #115

I admit I haven't read every word Greenwald has ever written. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #123

You mean ProSense Jun 2013 #126

So you can't. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #142

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #144

x2 n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #157

Wow. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #124

Wow, talk about a non-response. ProSense Jun 2013 #127

No, he said Hissyspit Jun 2013 #129

No, he said ProSense Jun 2013 #130

"Clearly, it's bullshit." No, it's not. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #132

Yes, it's bullshit. Thanks, I fixed the second part. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #133

Link please usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #166

Oh gee, G. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #104

Is there something wrong with that? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #107

Meh. bvar22 Jun 2013 #108

Not since the very dead Breitbart... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #119

Not since the Bush administration Hissyspit Jun 2013 #122

Not since the advent of the Purity Progressives OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #131

Not since the rise of the Sensible Woodchucks LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #147

jesus christ prosense half the clowns in this admin you adore supported the iraq war. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #134

Are you saying Greenwald is a "clown" for supporting the Iraq war? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #135

This is why you fail whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #148

Actually, ProSense Jun 2013 #150

Actually nothing whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #152

LOL! ProSense Jun 2013 #153

You know the story of the Red Shoes don't you? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #156

Not one DUer supported the Iraq invasion. Not one. Robb Jun 2013 #136

Then how do you explain that 1/2 of the Democratic Party, bvar22 Jun 2013 #167

Party, schmarty. None of us were fooled. Robb Jun 2013 #170

And you have a selective memory. bvar22 Jul 2013 #195

Horseshit. Show me one post. Robb Jul 2013 #196

Those archives don't exist, (except maybe at the NSA), bvar22 Jul 2013 #197

First of all, the Iraq invasion was 2003, not 2002. Robb Jul 2013 #198

Greenwald, through his early support for Bush as many Americans were after 9/11, did less AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #159

Glenn "The Lyin Libertarian" Greedwald praised the Citizens United decision... Galraedia Jun 2013 #162

Then trash the American Civil Liberties Union, too. deurbano Jun 2013 #184

Yep, Greenwald debunked that meme very tidily. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #163

Yeah, ProSense Jun 2013 #168

He had no curiousity about NAFTA, Bush v. Gore, Telecommunications Act, the World Bank, climate, etc Kolesar Jun 2013 #181

Oh, Greenwald is definitely "touchy about other people supporting PBO" just don't Cha Jun 2013 #185

P.S. Greenwald doesn't mind all "the creepy reverence" Cha Jun 2013 #186

The Hypocrisy of Glenn Greenwald, Iraq War edition Cha Jul 2013 #188

QFT - Quote for Truth! ucrdem Jul 2013 #189