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387. Z was NOT told to stay in his truck.

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:16 PM

Jun 2013

That is a myth that gets posted a lot here. Please note the following transcript of Z's call to the police.

1:58 Zimmerman: No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you’d make a left. Uh, yeah, you go straight in, don’t turn and make a left. Shit, he’s running.

2:08 Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running?

2:10 (door opens, sound of door alarm) THIS IS WHEN Z GETS OUT OF HIS TRUCK.

2:10 Zimmerman: Ah, down towards the, ah, other entrance of the neighborhood.

2:14 (door closes)

2:14 Dispatcher: OK. Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?

2:17 Zimmerman; The back entrance. Fucking punks.

2:20 (wind noise)

2:23 Dispatcher: Are you following him?

2:25 Zimmerman: Yeah.

2:26 Dispatcher: OK, we don’t need you to do that. THIS IS WHEN HE IS ADVISED TO STAND DOWN.

2:28 Zimmerman: OK.

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Zimmerman is: NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #2

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2013 #133

It seems so fucking obvious - I hope the jury can figure it out! AAO Jun 2013 #253

Even when armed, you have a right to talk to people in public Recursion Jun 2013 #3

You have a right to talk to people in public? burnodo Jun 2013 #5

Um... seriously? What amendment covers speech? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #14

ludicrous burnodo Jun 2013 #18

You can talk to anyone you like on a public street... Pelican Jun 2013 #20

Yes, so what's your point? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #25

Follow the thread... Pelican Jun 2013 #32

It was a dark and stormy night.... SCVDem Jun 2013 #37

Absolutely! n/t marew Jun 2013 #49

Why didn't Zimmerman ask Martin a question while on the phone with csziggy Jun 2013 #224

"... no "punk" would be stupid enough to attack someone with a phone to their ear." oldhippie Jun 2013 #346

Z was NOT told to stay in his truck. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #387

You have no right to detain anyone going about their business, either. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #237

keep heaven05 Jun 2013 #271

It seems like there is enough emotion to keep this going until the sun burns out... Pelican Jun 2013 #272

yeah heaven05 Jun 2013 #273

So.. to sum up your post... Pelican Jun 2013 #285

ok heaven05 Jun 2013 #290

My favorite part of this whole thing... Pelican Jun 2013 #291

We aren't talking about a "Good afternoon" here. It's GD CREEPY to be approached AT NIGHT by a WinkyDink Jun 2013 #44

And don't forget this was a 17-year old minor being stalked by a grown man and a stranger. cheapdate Jun 2013 #219

Exactly. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #280

15 going on 16 years old. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #396

What Kind of Person? liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #51

Well said JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #80

The defense is not using the "stand your ground" approach. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #202

When a defense has to rely on strategic lawyering ingenuity, that says something about their case. pacalo Jun 2013 #240

Nope JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #265

Your second paragraph puts it well treestar Jun 2013 #242

Amen Threedifferentones Jun 2013 #269

.. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #178

kewl! burnodo Jun 2013 #236

You are so in denial. FarPoint Jun 2013 #209

Do you have a right to follow them around and intimidate them? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #8

Follow? Yes. intimidate? no (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #16

Most people would feel intimidated if they were followed; especially at night and by a stranger DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #24

A right to follow? burnodo Jun 2013 #28

Perden me iggerance here, but Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #161

Legally? I don't know. Do you? Recursion Jun 2013 #164

Actually, I don't know, but I imagine the FL statutes are online. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #165

A lot of truly dickish behavior is entirely legal and doesn't (legally) justify violence Recursion Jun 2013 #167

And only one had a gun Progressive dog Jun 2013 #207

Except only one created the scenario in which the other got killed. cui bono Jun 2013 #227

Zimmerman did not want Trayvon to go away hfojvt Jun 2013 #255

Really? locdlib Jun 2013 #270

I think "following" someone who's pretty obviously trying to avoid contact... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #287

Did he have the right to chase someone around? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #9

If Z grabbed M he was wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #17

The answers that you're NOT giving to all of my questions are quite telling indeed. nt MrScorpio Jun 2013 #22

Would your beliefs change if it were a woman being stalked polly7 Jun 2013 #27

make it better d_r Jun 2013 #203

You'll be alright Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #29

It's funny you say that Lordquinton Jun 2013 #99

No, I'm the one admitting I *don't* know the sequence of events. Recursion Jun 2013 #103

You're acting like it is fact that Martin even did that Lordquinton Jun 2013 #123

"Chase" is the right word to use. Mariana Jun 2013 #42

are you really suggesting it is AGAINST THE LAW to start a conversation with someone who does DrDan Jun 2013 #66

You have no right to force someone to have a conversation Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #70

my point is - it is not against the law to initiate the conversation DrDan Jun 2013 #75

But it is against the law to force another person to engage in conversation Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #78

thank you - here is the comment I was responding to DrDan Jun 2013 #81

No, you said there was a right to initiate conversation Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #86

I did say "start a conversation" - but I never implied that TM had to respond DrDan Jun 2013 #94

No reasonable person believes this was a simple "Hello" Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #128

good heavens - that was my example of "starting a conversation" DrDan Jun 2013 #134

As a female, I beg to differ... TinkerTot55 Jun 2013 #142

my . . . point . . . is . . . that it is NOT against the law DrDan Jun 2013 #147

An unarmed kid was shot and killed by the person who stopped him Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #154

And, as a woman, if some guy walked up to me in the dark and rain prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #157

It is irrelevant to whether it is against the law or not. What is relevant is would a MillennialDem Jun 2013 #169

this is what started this conversation DrDan Jun 2013 #172

To me stalking John2 Jun 2013 #192

this part of the thread originated from a question as to whether one can initiate a conversation DrDan Jun 2013 #194

look up the definition of asault... icarusxat Jun 2013 #321

look up the definition of "conversation" - (I could not find "asault", btw) DrDan Jun 2013 #324

yeah heaven05 Jun 2013 #281

guess it is too much to expect you to read anything - but what I said was that DrDan Jun 2013 #297

yeah heaven05 Jun 2013 #299

well why don't you just tell me what you think I said then . . . DrDan Jun 2013 #305

And if it was just two people out for a stroll, you might actually have a point. jeff47 Jun 2013 #87

wow - that is quite a stretch as to what is being discussed DrDan Jun 2013 #92

Because the entirety of your argument requires it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #97

I said that? Don't think so. DrDan Jun 2013 #104

In your attempt to justify Zimmerman's actions. jeff47 Jun 2013 #107

justified his actions? DrDan Jun 2013 #114

what heaven05 Jun 2013 #289

reading that was 5 seconds I wasted DrDan Jun 2013 #295

I'm heaven05 Jun 2013 #298

better get at your homework DrDan Jun 2013 #301

thanks heaven05 Jun 2013 #306

This is very disingenuous. The CONTEXT is being FOLLOWED through a development, not a mere WinkyDink Jun 2013 #77

This is perfectly legal under FL law. reusrename Jun 2013 #257

Well, that's one way of putting it Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #12

Not if they don't want to talk to that armed person. bravenak Jun 2013 #13

A right to talk to, yes. Question, and demand answers, no. Chase down, no. Shoot, no. Scuba Jun 2013 #19

Question and demand answers, yes. And Martin had a right to ignore him. Recursion Jun 2013 #84

Ask, yes. Demand answers, no. Scuba Jun 2013 #88

Maybe we mean different things by "demand"? I think we're saying the same thing. Recursion Jun 2013 #90

If I'm lawfully occupying the space I'm in I'm going to tell you to fuck off... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #98

And you'd have every right to do so Recursion Jun 2013 #101

I don't think that is "the big question". It's one of many, and not the most important. Scuba Jun 2013 #126

I tried that once Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #129

Disgusting behavior Just Saying Jun 2013 #206

Only if you're standing in my yard. madashelltoo Jun 2013 #166

I disagree. If you knock on my door or come into my house or onto my property, yes. If you are just MillennialDem Jun 2013 #170

So it would be ok to punch you if you did? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #173

If I chased you for five minutes as is what happened in this case, YES. MillennialDem Jun 2013 #174

If I were persuaded Z chased him, sure Recursion Jun 2013 #175

If TM came back and punched him, yes he was in wrong. If Zimmerman caught up to TM or cut him MillennialDem Jun 2013 #176

Totally agree. I don't know which happened (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #177

On another note, I need to stop multitasking while posting. The appears missing in two MillennialDem Jun 2013 #179

Ah, you Millenials... We Gen-Xers don't need to multi-task to have typos (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #180

Here is something that was posted by someone else, I'm not sure if it's accurate or not MillennialDem Jun 2013 #181

If those paths are correct, that's pretty damning of Zimmerman, yes. Are they? Recursion Jun 2013 #188

For what it's worth naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #208

I know, I am just presenting a case where it is possible Zimmerman was MillennialDem Jun 2013 #223

I agree with you 100% morally. naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #225

If that is true, then Zimmerman ambushed him davidpdx Jun 2013 #232

Of course, Zimmy is clearly racist. MillennialDem Jun 2013 #234

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #276

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Jun 2013 #89

Beg your pardon sarge43 Jun 2013 #21

I encourage you to view the testimony of the dispatcher... Pelican Jun 2013 #34

Yeah, she did have authority to tell a civilian to stay out of a potential crime scene. sarge43 Jun 2013 #46

You should tell him that... Pelican Jun 2013 #62

Then Noffke was wrong sarge43 Jun 2013 #83

You should write a letter... Pelican Jun 2013 #116

Right after you write to Martin's parents about "real" world. n/t sarge43 Jun 2013 #130

What does that even mean? Pelican Jun 2013 #131

I can't ignore the common-sense advice Noffke gave Zimmerman that evening. pacalo Jun 2013 #241

Dispatch does not have authority to command. Just the fact of the law. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #91

OK then, they have authority to strongly advise. They're often first contact. sarge43 Jun 2013 #112

"OK, we don't need you to do that..." HiddenAgenda63 Jun 2013 #43

Just in case you weren't sure about my intentions in starting this thread... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #71

Jump to the conclusions you want much? A Simple Game Jun 2013 #95

"What are you following me for..." makes HIM the initiator? Not the person actually following him? arcane1 Jun 2013 #132

fail SemperEadem Jun 2013 #160

Look back up thread at 181 davidpdx Jun 2013 #235

The fact that the 911 dispatcher is a "civilian" doesn't negate the common-sense advice pacalo Jun 2013 #245

What? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #266

actually, you dont pasto76 Jun 2013 #35

Agreed. no evidence Z did anything like that Recursion Jun 2013 #54

Where the HELL do you live?! I sure as hell don't want to be approached by total STRANGERS at NIGHT. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #41

Me either JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #85

We don't know exactly how Zimmerman initiated it. caseymoz Jun 2013 #109

Or Martin started with a punch to the face. We don't know Recursion Jun 2013 #148

And yet the only arguments you can posit are against Trayvon. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #196

No, Martin didn't start it. caseymoz Jun 2013 #201

you forgot the letter "s" fascisthunter Jun 2013 #228

Is that all Zimmerman wanted, to *talk* to the person he didn't recognize? pacalo Jun 2013 #243

You don't have a right to stalk them however. Maraya1969 Jun 2013 #249

If George Zimmerman has simply talked to Trayvon Martin, this would have ended very differently. Kennah Jun 2013 #258

Couldn't agree more. 99Forever Jun 2013 #4

Zimmerman is warrior1 Jun 2013 #6

Gun nuts. They 'are the law.' nt onehandle Jun 2013 #7

What it is. No mistake. nt MADem Jun 2013 #10

Trayvon Martin had every right to fight his stalker and hunter. polly7 Jun 2013 #11

Apparently your are only allowed to defend yourself with a firearm prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #159

so let's say Trayvon threw a punch Skittles Jun 2013 #261

Exactly prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #313

You are so right walkerbait41 Jun 2013 #15

Imagine the situation reversed kristopher Jun 2013 #23

This is an appropriate analogy. A Brand New World Jun 2013 #30

Yup, and people would not have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to his defense fund. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #36

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #59

+1000 gollygee Jun 2013 #61

The defense would say the white youth initiated the confrontation with racist comments. OnlinePoker Jun 2013 #96

The question has a deeper meaning. It deals with his idea that he was "cop for the gated community" jwirr Jun 2013 #26

One DUer said we can't assume anything because we weren't there. Neither were the police Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #31

There are those who think citizens not on the jury should have lobotomies pre-verdict. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #47

Zimmerman is a product of the NRA Tippy Jun 2013 #33

and Hate Radio Doctor_J Jun 2013 #267

Yes Tippy Jun 2013 #335

The same type of person who supported lynching in the past Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #38

K&R. Zimmerman stalked and killed an unarmed kid who was minding his own business. DLevine Jun 2013 #39

The hysterical groupthink on these threads is really something to behold Azathoth Jun 2013 #40

Considering he told the police he was following before the fight began... Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #45

In other words, you don't need evidence because you think your assumption is "obvious" Azathoth Jun 2013 #48

Are you suggesting the call to police I mentioned is not evidence? Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #52

Yes, it is "evidence" Azathoth Jun 2013 #58

He started the confrontation Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #63

So because he said "they always get away," we now KNOW that he started the confrontation? Azathoth Jun 2013 #72

It makes it pretty clear that he was not going to allow Martin to get away Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #76

You're misstating the evidence Azathoth Jun 2013 #120

well heaven05 Jun 2013 #307

How small does that corner have to get before you stop painting? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #185

lol, if you want to accuse me of a fallacy, you have to actually demonstrate it Azathoth Jun 2013 #190

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #303

zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed young person SemperEadem Jun 2013 #163

But it is up to the court to weigh the evidence, not you or me. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #244

I am entitled to my opinion, The court can't tell me not to look at the evidence myself Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #247

well heaven05 Jun 2013 #302

Agreed. Anyone more than two brain cells. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #60

It demonstrates Zimmerman's intent. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #122

Bingo Little Star Jun 2013 #156

Do you know the difference between "intense" and the hyperbolic "hysterical"? Z was the STALKER. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #50

So now we're casually comparing Z to Manson, but it's wrong to call these threads "hysterical"? Azathoth Jun 2013 #55

My analogy was intended to be precise, to wit: The night-time "creepy-crawly" runs the Mansion WinkyDink Jun 2013 #64

You think it's a precise analogy to compare a guy on the phone with 911 following someone he claims Azathoth Jun 2013 #82

"Trayvon did not have the right to respond disproportionately." Says you. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #195

it really is not hard to understand how lynch mobs gained energy after reading DrDan Jun 2013 #69

No lynch mob mentality here JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #102

there are many here who have already concluded that Z is guilty - even though DrDan Jun 2013 #111

DrDan JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #117

before punishment - 2d murder charges need to be proven DrDan Jun 2013 #118

Ditto JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #127

I'm not sure those jurors John2 Jun 2013 #197

well it is a good thing we have jurors deciding this case who will be DrDan Jun 2013 #200

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #311

I do have faith in their upcoming decision - you have a problem with the jury? DrDan Jun 2013 #316

Need heaven05 Jun 2013 #319

so you don't trust the judgement of the jury . . . DrDan Jun 2013 #325

yes heaven05 Jun 2013 #328

No one here is advocating lynching Just Saying Jun 2013 #210

a week into testimony and there are those here who have decided Z is guilty DrDan Jun 2013 #212

Thinking someone is guilty Just Saying Jun 2013 #214

you are entitled to your opinion - as am I DrDan Jun 2013 #215

Sure Just Saying Jun 2013 #216

hmmmmm - I sense a bit of guilt DrDan Jun 2013 #217

As with so many things you've posted today Just Saying Jun 2013 #218

like stating EVERYONE deserves a fair trial" DrDan Jun 2013 #220

Yes clearly you're the victim here. Just Saying Jun 2013 #221

never claimed to be a victim, now did I DrDan Jun 2013 #222

Intent was proven to me when he got out of his vehicle. Can you prove me wrong? A Simple Game Jun 2013 #79

cannot disagree with your gun comment - agree completely - read my tagline DrDan Jun 2013 #121

So you're saying he intended to confront/fight Trayvon while he was on the phone with 911? Azathoth Jun 2013 #125

I'm saying he intended to confront Martin when he ignored the advice given by 911. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #182

"groupthink" yeah, you keep telling yourself that is all it is fascisthunter Jun 2013 #233

The "gunner" namecalling has become the DU version of "socialist" namecalling Azathoth Jun 2013 #260

yeah heaven05 Jun 2013 #317

if heaven05 Jun 2013 #296

Under the principles of self-defense ewagner Jun 2013 #53

The self-defense and FL stand-your-ground laws are predicated upon legal conduct. reusrename Jun 2013 #144

How do we know that? naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #211

From testimony. reusrename Jun 2013 #238

A paranoid schizophrenic orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #56

isn't the real question whether a law was broken? DrDan Jun 2013 #57

Freerepublic conservatives, that's who. Kablooie Jun 2013 #65

I can only venture guesses as to what kind of person would think zimmerman had the "right" etherealtruth Jun 2013 #67

Exactly. K&R, n/t. ms liberty Jun 2013 #68

Zimmerman was claiming authority that he did not have. He was packing heat. Is there any chance AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #73

The Young Turks had a good segment with Zimmerman muttering "Fucking Coons" under his breath OnlinePoker Jun 2013 #115

That's what I hear too. It's definitely not 'goons'. imho. nt. polly7 Jun 2013 #119

Yes, sounds like he mumbles 'fu**ing coons' just before the responder says lumpy Jun 2013 #162

Lets play my favorite version of this game: Nevernose Jun 2013 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Jun 2013 #100

Not a single person JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #124

In your version, the 17 year old white girl also holds the black man down Azathoth Jun 2013 #139

Sure, why not? Nevernose Jun 2013 #145

Well, if you're going to play, you have to get the facts correct Azathoth Jun 2013 #153

You Are Awfully Invested In This Case HangOnKids Jun 2013 #168

You illustrate Zimmermans credibility problem nicely Nevernose Jun 2013 #186

This is why I find John2 Jun 2013 #205

Here is logic for John2 Jun 2013 #288

George's actions were grossly negligent and highly irresponsible. egduj Jun 2013 #106

I agree Zimmerman called the cops obama2terms Jun 2013 #108

Not me! hedgehog Jun 2013 #110

I agree 100%. Zimmerman was the aggressor... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #113

I'm no lawyer, but if I were---I'd call it pre-meditated homicide. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #135

I think it was, too, but it would be hard to prove. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #136

HEY SKP! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #140

Very well put, Mr. Scorpio. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #137

+1,000,000 madaboutharry Jun 2013 #138

He didn't. krispos42 Jun 2013 #141

Zimmerman followed and murdered an unarmed teenager. Everything else is just defense B.S. OregonBlue Jun 2013 #143

If Zimmerman is innocent.... dtom67 Jun 2013 #146

If Zimmerman had been killed with his own gun Generic Other Jun 2013 #149

It's Neighborhood WATCH, not Neighborhood CHASE many a good man Jun 2013 #150

Also Neighborhood Watch guidelines are very specific sarge43 Jun 2013 #171

Good OP. I haven't read any of the replies yet, Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2013 #151

If Trayvon was an adult and had a gun darkangel218 Jun 2013 #152

Do you mean if the circumstances had been the same, or if Zimmerman had assaulted Trayvon? RichardPatrick Jun 2013 #189

Glenn Beck fans. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #155

Making him the ' Neighborhood Threat ' orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #184

I've been shaking my head for days wryter2000 Jun 2013 #183

Incarcerated or free, I think he's a deadman either way. He's not gonna avoid "fucking coons" forevr DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #187

I hope that you don't approve of the thought that if he goes free someone should totodeinhere Jun 2013 #246

Trayvon with a y and no I don't. He's made such a mess of his own case, then there's his def team. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #252

One word;Vigilante. that is all. Rain Mcloud Jun 2013 #191

Absolutely right Jake2413 Jun 2013 #193

I'm unclear on the rules for a claim of self defense. tclambert Jun 2013 #198

Zimmerman has to prove John2 Jun 2013 #213

My understanding is ctaylors6 Jun 2013 #230

That does help, John2 Jun 2013 #256

Yeah, that helped. Thank you. tclambert Jun 2013 #397

Did you want us to actually answer your questions? If so, then here: ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #199

Are you arguing that the rules of felony murder come into play? tclambert Jun 2013 #204

a gun-humping, cowardly piece of SHIT, Mr. Scorpio Skittles Jun 2013 #226

A bigot Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #229

you nailed it... I'll add that Zimmerman's Defenders believe a gun owner... fascisthunter Jun 2013 #231

I don't defend what Zimmerman did. But I do defend his right to a fair totodeinhere Jun 2013 #248

Mahalo MrScorpio for providing.. Cha Jun 2013 #239

I think they should have tried him for manslaughter madville Jun 2013 #250

Great Opening Statement! AAO Jun 2013 #251

you don't start a fight by following somebody hfojvt Jun 2013 #254

I'm a little curious here... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #262

What difference does that make? hfojvt Jun 2013 #350

It makes every difference in the world why Zimmerman was chasing after Martin and how... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #353

The seed for the confrontation was Zimmerman's staring hard enough at Trayvon to make him pacalo Jun 2013 #263

I think George's version of the events are very strange. Notafraidtoo Jun 2013 #259

People keep asking Mkap Jun 2013 #264

That is the main point WhataKnight Jun 2013 #268

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #274

My heart bleeds for you MrScorpio Jun 2013 #275

1. Z killed with a gun. 2. Trayvon had no drugs. 3. Thus, you are part of the "fantasy" contingent. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #279

I heaven05 Jun 2013 #282

ohh heaven05 Jun 2013 #326

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #277

Look at the post #274 MrScorpio Jun 2013 #278

he's heaven05 Jun 2013 #283

POOF! nt MrScorpio Jun 2013 #284

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #336

I suggest that you familiarize yourself with this site's rules MrScorpio Jun 2013 #338

This is the precise reason I couldn't care less if Trayvon swung first. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #286

The fact he had a round in the chamber madokie Jun 2013 #292

Wow. He chambered a round beforehand... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #293

The DA told about this in his opening statement madokie Jun 2013 #312

Carrying with an empty chamber is actually extremely uncommon. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #318

But It does show that he took an additional step, in preparation to fire the gun right away MrScorpio Jun 2013 #320

True. I think anyone carrying at all can be considered "prepared to use it." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #322

Excellent point nt MrScorpio Jun 2013 #323

Empty chamber? you are kidding right? RGR375 Jun 2013 #304

Especially when you're on the hunt for black teenagers... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #308

Isn't he cute? Can we keep him for a while? ETA, luv his name also uppityperson Jun 2013 #310

Well, I did write the OP for his benefit MrScorpio Jun 2013 #315

Sorry not me madokie Jun 2013 #314

The golden rule RGR375 Jun 2013 #294

So basically, in Florida, it's open season on Black Teenagers... That explains everything! MrScorpio Jun 2013 #300

Take a deep breath RGR375 Jun 2013 #327

So you think Trayvon started beating up Zimmy because he felt "disrespected"? This is all Trayvon's uppityperson Jun 2013 #330

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #331

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #363

I take that you've determined Trayvon Martin to be the initial aggressor... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #334

You miss the mark RGR375 Jun 2013 #339

So Z could attack and fight with TM with no problem, but as soon as TM defending himself, he "cooked uppityperson Jun 2013 #341

You mean that you believe Zimmerman's story, even if it makes absolutely no sense MrScorpio Jun 2013 #342

two heaven05 Jun 2013 #389

Mr Scorpio, that should be RGR375's only son murdered. sarge43 Jun 2013 #329

So in Florida you can attack someone and when they fight back you can kill them? Wow. Welcome to DU, uppityperson Jun 2013 #309

776.041 Use of force by aggressor RGR375 Jun 2013 #332

I attack someone, when they fight back, I am justified in killing them. Which gunz site did you come uppityperson Jun 2013 #333

It's clear to me that it's people exactly like you whom we should be afraid of MrScorpio Jun 2013 #337

Apples and oranges RGR375 Jun 2013 #343

Are you saying that Zimmerman shouldn't be convicted? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #345

Sir you misunderstand me RGR375 Jun 2013 #348

Again with the statute recitations MrScorpio Jun 2013 #351

I haven't seen any evidence that Zimmerman was ever on the ground being pummeled. yardwork Jun 2013 #340

Watch the trial RGR375 Jun 2013 #344

It was too dark to see colors. Eyes physically can NOT differentiate colors when it is dark. uppityperson Jun 2013 #347

Tricks of light RGR375 Jun 2013 #355

Except he did not say light or dark but RED. He could NOT see red. That was impossible. uppityperson Jun 2013 #356

Obviously you haven't heard Good's testimony. He said that one was wearing "dark" the other "red." yardwork Jun 2013 #374

"Dark" and "red"? Huh, thanks for that. uppityperson Jun 2013 #379

Thank you for posting the careful explanation for why Good couldn't have been able to distinguish yardwork Jun 2013 #380

oops! RGR375 Jun 2013 #388

Huh, since I replied to yardwork about Good's testimony, I do not know wtf you are talking about. uppityperson Jun 2013 #398

with heaven05 Jun 2013 #390

Sadly, your OP and the many other threads etherealtruth Jun 2013 #349

People just do not understand RGR375 Jun 2013 #352

I posted about that statute upthread... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #354

Now is the time! RGR375 Jun 2013 #357

Yeah... Did you see this? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #358

Ok? RGR375 Jun 2013 #359

Mr Scorpio did in the link in post you are replying to. Here, look at my post, click on the link uppityperson Jun 2013 #362

First... I'd like you to define who you think was the aggressor here... I say it was Zimmerman MrScorpio Jun 2013 #364

Wow! RGR375 Jun 2013 #366

Hello. Can you see this post? uppityperson Jun 2013 #367

Ok I'm 17. You're a creepy guy in a car following countingbluecars Jun 2013 #368

That's the gist of it! etherealtruth Jun 2013 #369

That's it. Anybody who can't see that doesn't want to see it. yardwork Jun 2013 #378

What you're trying to do is lazily win people over to you own faulty reasoning MrScorpio Jun 2013 #370

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #391

I think people do understand etherealtruth Jun 2013 #361

what kind of person would think a thug like Zimmerman alc Jun 2013 #360

Zimmerman is getting a fair trial, is he not? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #365

No problems RGR375 Jun 2013 #372

Personally, I'd love for Zimmerman to get a fair trial... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #373

I feel so sorry for you. RGR375 Jun 2013 #376

How old are you? MrScorpio Jun 2013 #377

Then i shall tell you RGR375 Jun 2013 #382

Well, cool... MrScorpio Jun 2013 #386

Thank you for your service RGR375 Jun 2013 #392

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #393

Why? RGR375 Jun 2013 #384

hahahahaha. RGR375 "will accept a juries decision. RGR375 "will not". heh uppityperson Jun 2013 #385

since he IS getting a fair trial, not sure what your point is. uppityperson Jun 2013 #371

That's much more than Trayvon Martin got. /nt yardwork Jun 2013 #375

Not trying to start a fight RGR375 Jun 2013 #381

You heaven05 Jun 2013 #395

k&r Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #383

What kind of person? A bigot. Or at the very least, one who thinks black human life is less Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #394