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36. The scandal is the collection. I thought that was the NSA but apparently it's the FBI...

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Sun Jun 30, 2013, 09:40 PM

Jun 2013

Which seems worse because the NSA has the fig leaf of not needing to respect the rights of foreigners.

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OK, let's look at the slide that WaPo just posted (classified picture warning) [View all] Recursion Jun 2013 OP

Sure, that's what they're telling us tularetom Jun 2013 #1

Isn't that part of the leaked material itself? treestar Jun 2013 #4

They're lying to us in a classified slide? Recursion Jun 2013 #6

So you just don't believe anything they say. Might as well DevonRex Jun 2013 #24

Dude, doesn't fit the meme railsback Jun 2013 #2

Que the Snowden fans saying this isn't proof in 4...3...2... baldguy Jun 2013 #3

It gets better! NSA doesn't even have the data, and has to ask for it from the FBI Recursion Jun 2013 #19

Someone here yesterday kept insisting that slide proved that the NSA, pnwmom Jun 2013 #5

yeah, i kept wondering too Recursion Jun 2013 #7

The problem is the constitutionality of the data collection. dkf Jun 2013 #12

Metadata has no Constitutional protection Recursion Jun 2013 #13

Look at the latest release of slides...they specifically note content which comes from the FBI dkf Jun 2013 #20

Slide two specifically says *all* of it comes from the FBI Recursion Jun 2013 #21

The NSA processes content that is captured by the FBI. dkf Jun 2013 #23

My guess is that the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. will gather as much data as they think they rhett o rick Jun 2013 #50

They ignore the elephant in the room...the data collection. dkf Jun 2013 #52

What do you think "Stored Content" is? hootinholler Jun 2013 #25

Stored content is telephony Recursion Jun 2013 #44

Fail. Orsino Jun 2013 #8

This is the classified slide that was leaked. You're calling that a "press release" Recursion Jun 2013 #10

It's one broad description of what is claimed to be "the" process. Orsino Jul 2013 #67

People were willing to believe other things from PP charts by the organization frazzled Jun 2013 #57

So how did he get all the information he is leaking? Lol. dkf Jun 2013 #9

The slides? They're probably an orientation presentation Recursion Jun 2013 #11

looks like we got some crack spies right here on DU! Whisp Jun 2013 #16

All those docs marked top secret? Nothing? dkf Jun 2013 #17

That would be interesting, though I doubt he had access to them Recursion Jun 2013 #18

He specifically said the access to the raw sigint is where you have access to it all. dkf Jun 2013 #22

So why release a slide that says the opposite? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #26

If you aren't offended by the collection you should at least be appalled over the lack of security dkf Jun 2013 #40

You guys are over-looking the fact that there may another leaker higher up, Snowden may be fall guy JaneyVee Jun 2013 #45

True. He went to Booz Allen to get the type of clearance that gave him a particular access. dkf Jun 2013 #46

Exactly what I've been thinking. mimi85 Jul 2013 #66

But everything Snowden releases jazzimov Jun 2013 #27

I don't know what you are referring to. dkf Jun 2013 #30

This slide. right here. the one i posted Recursion Jun 2013 #32

The scandal is the collection. I thought that was the NSA but apparently it's the FBI... dkf Jun 2013 #36

The collection requires three stages of approval! Recursion Jun 2013 #37

No no no. The collection is on the left side of slide 2 from the vendors. dkf Jun 2013 #42

A link to the accompanying article would be nice. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #14

Good point Recursion Jun 2013 #15

I was under the impression that Snowden was not just an "analyst"... kentuck Jun 2013 #28

But this slide shows the NSA doesn't even collect or keep the data Recursion Jun 2013 #29

I think it may be the opposite? kentuck Jun 2013 #38

The slide says FBI does all collection Recursion Jun 2013 #48

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #31

So this is all, the only thing? There is no possibility of things yet unrevealed? Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #33

Why would it classify something made up? Recursion Jun 2013 #34

NDAA Recursion Jun 2013 #35

The House passed it 315-108. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #41

+++ response marions ghost Jun 2013 #49

In spite of your best efforts, the bottom line is that information from US citizens is being stored. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #39

Some analysts have stated that Snowden was both NSA and CIA. n/t truedelphi Jun 2013 #43

The Guardian said that in their profile of him Recursion Jun 2013 #47

Mahalo, Recursion.. Snowden Lie?!! he's a sneak and snitch.. Cha Jun 2013 #51

Looks like facts are starting to surface....... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #53

It appears that BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #65

That is pretty interesting. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #54

And why should we believe that? nt Zorra Jun 2013 #55

Because it's what Snowden leaked? Recursion Jun 2013 #56

You're missing a set of important steps and pieces here that make a mash of your hypothesis: leveymg Jul 2013 #58

Was Snowden capable of manipulating the predictive profile score? Recursion Jul 2013 #59

The analyst makes an assessment based in part on the initial predictive score along with leveymg Jul 2013 #60

I'm thinking of two specific claims Recursion Jul 2013 #61

I'll look at those. Thnx. leveymg Jul 2013 #62

So the claim is that a bad actor could have a loophole to bypass some of the safeguards? Recursion Jul 2013 #63

It's hard to interpret this slide. There's not enough detail about each of those boxes. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #64

k&r Galraedia Jul 2013 #68