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MattBaggins

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22. If you can get this money, why no provide money to the schools that are poor?

Reply to BrentWil (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 01:43 PM

Feb 2012

Where are all these kids going to go?

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Could Federal Educational Vouchers Aimed at the Poor and Useable in Public Schools Work? [View all] BrentWil Feb 2012 OP

In a word, no, except if by 'work' ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #1

How is providing an additional funding stream robbing? If the money comes from a new federal BrentWil Feb 2012 #5

If the feds do it, why wouldn't ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #8

Because they are already running schools BrentWil Feb 2012 #11

Yes, I read the OP. But I don't see ANY ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #15

Here are the portions of the OP BrentWil Feb 2012 #16

The only alleged BENEFIT for poor children I see in your posts is ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #18

Where am I suggesting that? BrentWil Feb 2012 #23

See post #17 below. You are ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #30

While not popular on this board, there is plenty of evidence that some Dems do support BrentWil Feb 2012 #31

I DARE you to find a WH.gov link ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #35

That isn't what I said BrentWil Feb 2012 #43

Is that support for a national voucher program ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #49

What I said is that if you read some of their statements BrentWil Feb 2012 #50

So you admit your ultimate goal is to destroy public schools-- ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #51

I would assume the ultimate goal is education... BrentWil Feb 2012 #53

Arne Duncan is the worst thing to have happened to education for a long time. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #75

Maybe... BrentWil Feb 2012 #82

There's plenty of evidence that some "dems" support all kinds of RW policies. So what? Edweird Feb 2012 #96

How is a federal program that gives money to the poor, "RW"? NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #97

Privatization is RW. Edweird Feb 2012 #100

Who is providing privatization? BrentWil Feb 2012 #101

If you can get this money, why no provide money to the schools that are poor? MattBaggins Feb 2012 #22

Because it gives the power to the poor family and actually does give them a some economic power over BrentWil Feb 2012 #24

And the kids whose parents don't bother to apply are out of luck. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #34

The school would have a self interest in insuring the money is there.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #39

And what happens if every family accepts these vouchers? sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #78

Everyone in the income will and most of the money will go to Public Schools BrentWil Feb 2012 #79

How would this be a "NEW" federal funding stream? ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #17

Not just no, but hell no! white_wolf Feb 2012 #2

WHy? BrentWil Feb 2012 #7

I firmly oppose any attempts at privatization of formerly public services. white_wolf Feb 2012 #10

Why? BrentWil Feb 2012 #12

because privatization doesn't work DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #41

Rich kids like private schools and it seems to work for getting into Harvard, for example BrentWil Feb 2012 #44

Why don't you check out the history of the Public Schools, and maybe you can sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #80

I don't have a problem as long as they are only good at public schools and that's it. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #3

This would not work because there is not enough room in the top schools for all the JDPriestly Feb 2012 #4

But it does give a means to pay and a reason for people to develop "topnotch" schools in poorer BrentWil Feb 2012 #13

I do not see that it would get more funding into schools that have to educate a poorer JDPriestly Feb 2012 #37

If the money is only given to the poor to use, BrentWil Feb 2012 #38

You are thinking in the abstract. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #90

No I am not... BrentWil Feb 2012 #91

You don't need vouchers for public schools. LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #6

Public schools by law have to provide a "free and appropriate education" PA Democrat Feb 2012 #9

How does it drain funds, if the funding comes from a different source? BrentWil Feb 2012 #14

Because special education is not fully funded by the federal and state governments. PA Democrat Feb 2012 #20

The tax base and the current funding streams are still there.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #26

$10K to educate a child with special needs? That is a drop in the bucket PA Democrat Feb 2012 #29

There's a point you're missing: most states fund schools based on the number of students attending Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #36

If you have less students.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #46

If a private school... zoechen Feb 2012 #19

There are certain departments I believe shouldn't be privatized newspeak Feb 2012 #21

Take my word on it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #28

10k could buy you a whole year at Sidwell. The average tuition award there is over 20k. msanthrope Feb 2012 #32

Why would anyone use such a voucher in a public school KamaAina Feb 2012 #25

Because it offers a better value then other schools in the area.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #48

This ProSense Feb 2012 #55

Because this puts the power into the hands of the poor BrentWil Feb 2012 #56

Nonsense ProSense Feb 2012 #58

A child that brings 10K to a public school would not be irrelevant. BrentWil Feb 2012 #60

Wait ProSense Feb 2012 #64

Do you know what 10K of free money to a poor school or school district means? BrentWil Feb 2012 #66

What? ProSense Feb 2012 #69

Federal money for local districts with no strings is free money, for them NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #76

That's ProSense Feb 2012 #81

Maybe... BrentWil Feb 2012 #83

Local schools and districts are the means to do that... BrentWil Feb 2012 #71

Hell must have frozen, but I could not agree with you more. n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #84

We agree on most things, actually... BrentWil Feb 2012 #88

Because ProSense Feb 2012 #54

Do you really think the GOP would support a program as outlined above? BrentWil Feb 2012 #57

Actually ProSense Feb 2012 #61

Arguing something is RW doesn't make it so... BrentWil Feb 2012 #63

Do ProSense Feb 2012 #65

Why would a federal block grant to public schools that educate poorer kids be bad? BrentWil Feb 2012 #67

I ProSense Feb 2012 #68

How does does this "denigrates the concept of public education and opens the system to abuse" BrentWil Feb 2012 #70

Well, ProSense Feb 2012 #72

I woud argue that giving more funding to poor public schools allows the local school the tools BrentWil Feb 2012 #73

It's ProSense Feb 2012 #74

Still haven't answered why more funding for poorer schools is a bad thing. BrentWil Feb 2012 #77

Vouchers are a means to privatize education nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #27

No. We should help ALL of our low income kids. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #33

I would want no real application process... BrentWil Feb 2012 #40

133% of poverty is fucking poor, those folks will not have the rest of the money for private school TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #59

Accreditation for Private schools are done by independent private bodies, I thought BrentWil Feb 2012 #62

They have to have money to operate, they operate across state lines, and credibilty is TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #86

To what end? BrentWil Feb 2012 #87

No, no, no, TEN THOUSAND TIMES NO Hugabear Feb 2012 #42

Then this would solve that problem. So there we go. NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #47

+1 proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #52

No! The poor need to be confined to their own Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #45

Either very good sarcastic remarker or really bad post NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #85

School vouchers always have been and always will be a nutty idea Major Nikon Feb 2012 #89

You would outlaw private schools? BrentWil Feb 2012 #92

I'm fine with private schools just so long as I don't have to help fund them Major Nikon Feb 2012 #93

Then you will have a poorly administered national school system that only the middle to poor class BrentWil Feb 2012 #94

Local control of the school system is what has created the mess we have Major Nikon Feb 2012 #95

No Child Left behind is federal control... BrentWil Feb 2012 #98

Exactly Major Nikon Feb 2012 #99