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Maedhros

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128. What we have here are differing interpretations of the leaked documents.

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:17 PM

Jun 2013

The Guardian's analysis concludes that oversight is insufficient, and posters on DU claim otherwise.

What the Guardian's analysis has going for it is the multiple persons, from U.S. Senators to former intelligence agents, that corroborate Snowden's claims. Greenwald goes into detail about how the oversight process isn't all that it's claimed to be (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/fisa-court-oversight-process-secrecy), but at this point the pro-surveillance posters are simply disregarding anything he writes.

What is incontrovertible is that the surveillance program is much, much larger and broader than we thought, and the intertwining of service providers, government agencies and private security contractors is much more insidious that we thought. The only prudent course of action is to thoroughly and transparently investigate the entire program and its funding. How much the Administration fights this will tell us a lot.

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So, the big lie Snowden told is an important one [View all] Recursion Jun 2013 OP

Happy to be the first to REC this. zappaman Jun 2013 #1

and the big truth Snowden told was that Swagman Jun 2013 #151

Would you believe in certain situations information is shared between many nations, remember the Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #169

if you don't think other countries spy on friend and foe alike, then you'd be naive. dionysus Jul 2013 #225

But other countries don't send their Chief Executive out on around the world truedelphi Jul 2013 #228

I thought the messenger wasn't important Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #289

RECURSION is missing a set of important steps and pieces here that make a mash of his theory leveymg Jul 2013 #296

Other countries' executives do go around the world treestar Jul 2013 #302

BwaHaHaHAHaHaHaHaHaHA truedelphi Jul 2013 #337

You yet seem ignorant of the concept treestar Jul 2013 #338

Plus there is NO fib. Snowden discussed how he could act the way any person inside an truedelphi Jul 2013 #227

Actually, no. That might be true in a business setting, MineralMan Jul 2013 #248

I think you are mistaken about this. reusrename Jul 2013 #314

so you think no one can illegally access your computer? ellenfl Jul 2013 #332

My computer is not connected to an internal network MineralMan Jul 2013 #333

that's what you think? i think you're naive believing that some things are not hackable. eom ellenfl Jul 2013 #334

You might think anything you can. MineralMan Jul 2013 #335

So how is that discribing NSA breaking the law? gholtron Jul 2013 #328

I have no doubt that he is breaking a law. truedelphi Jul 2013 #336

That helps put things into context better than my litany of unsupported claims by Snowden. randome Jun 2013 #2

And if he did get more access, the next question might be flamingdem Jun 2013 #11

Good questions but he never got evidence to support his claims. randome Jun 2013 #16

So at this point it's not even a question flamingdem Jun 2013 #18

The trial will be mostly secret, unfortunately. randome Jun 2013 #43

He probably has pro bono work from people like Michael Ratner (speaking of rat!) flamingdem Jun 2013 #51

Glenn Greenwald of the CATO Institute has been suspended by the NY bar. He'll have to find someone MADem Jun 2013 #86

Greenwald?? GeeGee as his defense attorney?? BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #232

It depends on which desk he sat at. kentuck Jun 2013 #3

I would think that personal data is kept well away from the casual office employee. randome Jun 2013 #12

And that's the real question. MineralMan Jul 2013 #249

'Non-intelligence people'. That's a good point. randome Jul 2013 #251

Looking at the documents closely, it's clear that MineralMan Jul 2013 #254

+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #282

The NSA doesn't do the collection or storage. FBI does. Recursion Jun 2013 #13

He worked for Booz-Allen... kentuck Jun 2013 #48

Believe What You Choose To - I No Longer Trust This Government cantbeserious Jun 2013 #4

Based on the leaks? gcomeau Jun 2013 #37

I know right? Duh, this was supposed to expose the truth to us treestar Jun 2013 #44

Because Snowden "saw things"! He said stuff! randome Jun 2013 #63

One More Thing - NDAA, Massive Illegal Surveillance, VRA, Wall Street, Rendition Guantanamo, War ... cantbeserious Jul 2013 #236

LOL by 'Government' you mean Obama admit it Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #291

By Government - I Mean Executive, Legislative And Judicial Branches cantbeserious Jul 2013 #309

"ratfuck" referred to the way Nixon campaigned Kolesar Jun 2013 #5

TY. i fixed it. (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #32

It's great now! Kolesar Jun 2013 #35

Which could mean that this OP is ratfucking us. zeemike Jun 2013 #94

No, ratfucking is when a rightwing operative attacks the left FROM the even further left. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #126

Or then that right wing operative zeemike Jun 2013 #141

yes it is to protect US leaders of all polticial persuasions and their Swagman Jun 2013 #161

The slide he leaked showed *4 levels of safeguards* to keep Americans from being spied on Recursion Jun 2013 #164

If they collect the data you are being spied on. zeemike Jun 2013 #183

You should withdraw from all use of the internet to protect your information if you are so concerned Kolesar Jul 2013 #239

Well sure... zeemike Jul 2013 #242

yes... because that wouldn't be suspicious... n/t nebenaube Jul 2013 #256

did you see what she was wearing? she deserved to be raped. frylock Jul 2013 #340

Yeah, I can always expect the stupidest, off topic distractions from "frylock" eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #341

take a gander at this bit 'o wisdom for a larf frylock Jul 2013 #342

Are you a shut in? eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #343

yes, i am. will you be my friend? frylock Jul 2013 #344

I have no idea why you expect us to find that reassuring. nt. sibelian Jun 2013 #6

. flamingdem Jun 2013 #7

May I ask Iliyah Jun 2013 #66

It's a mole rat flamingdem Jun 2013 #74

LOL Iliyah Jun 2013 #83

I think it's kinda flamingdem Jun 2013 #103

Well, there are more leaks coming. But so far he looks to be full of it. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #8

Why doesn't he just release all of it? Galraedia Jun 2013 #67

My guess is that they want to prolong the experience. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #84

Yup, draaaag it out slooooowly.. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #101

It's like controlling your bag of Cocaine..... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #120

Is this some kinda joke? He said he had that authority, the GOV says no he didn't usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #9

The doc is what proves him wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #15

yeah, right... I'm sure it's just all in our heads, eh? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #20

Well, it's certainly not in the leaked documents Recursion Jun 2013 #30

there's that misdirection recursion usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33

They deliberately falsified slides so someone would leak them? Recursion Jun 2013 #36

haha, but not the first time I heard that one from the deniers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #42

we heard all this over G.Bush's service records didn't we ? Swagman Jun 2013 #168

But... seriously? They gave Snowden false documents so he could leak them? Recursion Jun 2013 #203

No, you just need to actually read them jazzimov Jun 2013 #60

Have you read those docs? jazzimov Jun 2013 #40

right, it's just all in our global collective heads, is all... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #50

Again, its not in the docs. So where is it if not your head? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #52

Not just my head remember... the whole world's collective heads usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #59

The world is pissed that we're spying on them. I would be too Recursion Jun 2013 #79

Actually usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #82

Here's just one example: jazzimov Jun 2013 #106

Yeah, that's true. it supports what I'm saying Recursion Jun 2013 #110

Wow. Have you made this into an OP? Number23 Jun 2013 #149

Second that. You should OP it (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #153

No initially it does not. I agree. However, those intelligence officials truedelphi Jul 2013 #223

I felt like that when I learned Santa was fake. You'll get over it. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #73

Santa's a Fake !!@#*/;'-??!*> sheshe2 Jun 2013 #109

Again HAVE YOU READ THEM? jazzimov Jun 2013 #87

I now believe you are being deliberately obtuse so good night usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #96

And it's clear to me that you have not read the docs jazzimov Jun 2013 #108

It's like that leaked document last week that showed the meticulous procedures the NSA employs. randome Jun 2013 #38

Yeah, I thought of that too Recursion Jun 2013 #41

Please quit using Common Sense. According to Patriot Act subsection G14 Three 81, truedelphi Jun 2013 #19

D'oh! You're right... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #45

He could start using his ability to read as an alternative. gcomeau Jun 2013 #55

Specifically what? Name it. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #218

Read. The. Op. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #219

Oh for Sweet Patootie's sake - truedelphi Jul 2013 #221

Not "someone on DU" gcomeau Jul 2013 #224

I did read the OP and I did observe the slides. truedelphi Jul 2013 #226

Think it through. gcomeau Jul 2013 #260

Are you just not paying attention? gcomeau Jun 2013 #47

very close attention, actually usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #56

For fuck's sake gcomeau Jun 2013 #61

the feeling is mutual usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #71

The document Snowden leaked contradicts his claim of first hand experience Recursion Jun 2013 #102

And all the article and slides from Wash Po indicate is how truedelphi Jul 2013 #229

Well, hell: it's "just policy" that keeps local police from kicking my door down Recursion Jul 2013 #300

No. Not a joke. It's propaganda. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #54

From SNOWDEN??? gcomeau Jun 2013 #58

it's like a Monty Python sketch (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #92

Some of these people around here... Number23 Jun 2013 #150

The documents did NOT demonstrate his reach -- they contradicted what he was saying. pnwmom Jun 2013 #68

What proof do you have of Snowden's claim that he could... Galraedia Jun 2013 #85

Perhaps it's buried in here: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #122

If that is true, this document he leaked is wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #125

I'll go out on a very short limb here. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #159

I agree to some extent. His claims seem to be exaggerated fujiyama Jun 2013 #194

I wouldn't attempt to explain why politicians do a damned thing, ever. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #204

Looks like I owe Galraedia a couple of apologies. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #180

The "big lie" was ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #10

What we have here are differing interpretations of the leaked documents. Maedhros Jun 2013 #128

Fair enough Recursion Jul 2013 #220

I don't take away the same points from the Guardian's analysis that you do Maedhros Jul 2013 #298

I see your point Recursion Jul 2013 #299

I agree - the FISC is a Cold War construct. Maedhros Jul 2013 #306

A rubber stamp secret court isn't "oversight," it'a... 99Forever Jul 2013 #244

And the ratfucking gleefully continues... SidDithers Jun 2013 #14

Sigh you still don't get what he was saying. dkf Jun 2013 #17

I rate this a combination of #10 and #13 on the apologists' hit parade PSPS Jun 2013 #21

And this is #1 from the hair on fire brigade Recursion Jun 2013 #22

Is anyone here able to form a coherent reply to your OP? cheapdate Jun 2013 #69

dkf and kentuck make good coherent arguments I disagree with Recursion Jun 2013 #72

Saw that. Thanks. cheapdate Jul 2013 #247

Because they're unable to. Greenwald hasn't given them the go ahead, but he's given.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #217

Please ask a question then, or link to something refuting the OP flamingdem Jun 2013 #23

Great list. Make it more generic and I'd bet you'll be able to use it again and again and again... rwsanders Jun 2013 #64

GG got ratfucked too then. Or was he part of the ratfucker team n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #24

it's an interesting question in terms of the drama Recursion Jun 2013 #25

How might ratfucking extend to heads of South American nations? flamingdem Jun 2013 #27

Twisting the eagle's tailfeathers plays well domestically in a lot of countries Recursion Jun 2013 #39

Except that the USA is Venezuela's numero uno trade partner flamingdem Jun 2013 #46

This will make a great movie in a few years (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #49

Correction: I believe that originates with Donald Segretti. longship Jun 2013 #26

TY. Correcting (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #29

No prob, friend. longship Jun 2013 #31

Maybe we can eventually get the truth from his Chinese and Russian friends.. Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #28

Snowden may leave with Pres. Maduro when he returns to Venezuela flamingdem Jun 2013 #34

i`m sure we will. madrchsod Jun 2013 #145

And that's why he was charged with espionage. Because he didn't disclose, truth2power Jun 2013 #53

intel workflow is of great consequence Recursion Jun 2013 #57

more officialdom speak & feel free to believe it, just don't act surprised that others have concerns usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #62

is it illegal to spy on other countries now? Recursion Jun 2013 #65

The massive, suspicionless spying is UNPRECEDENTED, and is why many folks object to it. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #77

No, it's not. Why would you say such a thing? jazzimov Jun 2013 #119

lol - yeah, sure... we spied on the whole world back then, too... on all our Ataris, eh? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #124

Yes, we did. You might wanna consider cracking open a history book some day. jeff47 Jun 2013 #152

Yes, we did, but not with Ataris. MineralMan Jul 2013 #253

We were more targeted, and did not have the tech capacity usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #257

You'll pardon me, I'm sure, if I discount MineralMan Jul 2013 #258

Likewise usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #261

I don't want your country spying on mine, thanks. sibelian Jun 2013 #80

I'm sure you don't Recursion Jun 2013 #81

I do not think so, we pay them to do TARGETED spying. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #91

Why? sibelian Jun 2013 #93

very good question, I even started a whole thread around that very question usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #100

Well, that appears to be caused by your mistaken belief that we spy only to catch terrorists. jeff47 Jun 2013 #165

Largely because you're paying your intelligence services to spy on us. jeff47 Jun 2013 #156

I don't think you understood truth2power's subtle sarcasm. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #230

Espionage= leaking classified/sensitive documents that he stole to foreigners. How hard is that for KittyWampus Jun 2013 #133

I know what espionage is. And there's that subtle shift in meaning, again... truth2power Jul 2013 #246

Anyone who uses the term ratfucked Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #70

A paradoxical claim (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #75

Good point. Unless it happens to be rat mating season and that Du'er is truedelphi Jul 2013 #222

Agree...it was a Republican Tactic... Odd to see it here. n/t KoKo Jul 2013 #255

And insisting that Obama is a Nazi like the Snowden apologists & Greenwald fans do, is what exactly? baldguy Jul 2013 #323

I have been trying to tell people this for days... Galraedia Jun 2013 #76

I've never done this before... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #135

Yes, that's what Snowden claimed. Unfortunately, the document he leaked today contradicts that. nt jeff47 Jun 2013 #158

It was never a believable claim anyway. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #163

Du'ers and most of the EU "ratfucked"? LOL. We and they know better. Keep trying. eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #78

It was explained one night on MSNBC. TxVietVet Jun 2013 #88

Snowden is a sneak and a snitch.. why wouldn't he lie? Cha Jun 2013 #89

Thanks Recursion! Iliyah Jun 2013 #90

Paul Revere is dead. Long live Santa... oops. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #95

fortunately, for us... COURAGE is CONTAGIOUS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #98

so is gullibility. Whisp Jun 2013 #104

RE "so is gullibility" Lonr Jun 2013 #116

hmm, you look familiar.... Whisp Jun 2013 #118

Bwah Recursion Jun 2013 #148

On the other hand... Lonr Jun 2013 #97

Don't forget the fake travel document. ProSense Jun 2013 #99

How do they know that when they don't know how many documents he has? dsc Jun 2013 #105

Huh? This is the document Shown leaked. Recursion Jun 2013 #107

Snowden never said he had authorised access to the info dsc Jun 2013 #111

Hell, local police can illegally tap my phone if they want Recursion Jun 2013 #114

the fact is access to this info should be mointored dsc Jun 2013 #117

No, he said he had access to the computers that had access to it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #171

The NSA isn't even doing the gathering; it's the FBI Recursion Jun 2013 #173

It wasn't posted here I don't think Iliyah Jun 2013 #112

The real question that needs to be answered: Who's behind it? baldguy Jun 2013 #113

WikiLeaks paid for Snowden’s travel from Hong Kong to Moscow Galraedia Jun 2013 #136

Snowden did, according to GG (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #138

And Greenwald is JUST SO RELIABLE, isn't he? baldguy Jun 2013 #146

truth won't matter much when the lie had such a long life. Whisp Jun 2013 #115

Clapper: I gave 'the least untruthful answer' to senator's question MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #121

So which part was untrue? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #123

Clapper admitted that he lied, while Snowden leaked the truth MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #129

no, this slide he leaked contradicts what he said Recursion Jun 2013 #137

That's a single slide, for a single program MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #157

Of course the technology doesn't block it. Hell, local police are *capable* of tapping your phone Recursion Jun 2013 #160

The local police can't tap your phone from a terminal on their desk MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #162

Huh? They just put a jack into the transceiver box near your house Recursion Jun 2013 #166

Digital telephony is typically encrypted MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #170

No, it isn't. jeff47 Jun 2013 #174

Cable-based land lines typically are, I believe. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #185

Cable companies have found it's easier to not deal with encryption. jeff47 Jun 2013 #189

^^ That's a more complete answer than mine Recursion Jun 2013 #191

Yeah, cable does a VOIP conversion and is encrypted (but law enforcement can get the keys) Recursion Jun 2013 #190

Kick & Recommend Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #127

Yes he did by direct access of the FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit archive. dkf Jun 2013 #130

So there's a data management problem? Recursion Jun 2013 #132

Good idea. He told you he had access to raw sigint. I don't know why you disregard that. dkf Jun 2013 #142

Because i don't believe him (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #144

They said they instituted new procedures to prevent this, including a two man access system. dkf Jun 2013 #154

No, they instituted new procedures to protect the powerpoint slides that describe the system Recursion Jun 2013 #155

How's about the Verizon warrant? dkf Jun 2013 #182

How's about it? Recursion Jun 2013 #187

I'm sure you've read it for yourself by now. dkf Jun 2013 #193

He could well have thousands of documents that describe this process (and others) in great detail Recursion Jun 2013 #195

I read they suspect he may have docs detailing the entire NSA process. dkf Jun 2013 #197

If he had such access, why not leak something from it? jeff47 Jun 2013 #176

Why would you believe a recording of Greenwald and Snowden was the govt? dkf Jun 2013 #188

Because of all the decorations the NSA would add to it if the claims were true. jeff47 Jun 2013 #192

No this wouldn't have gone through the NSA but would be the raw sigint held at the FBI. dkf Jun 2013 #196

My point was Snowden claimed he had such access. So why didn't he use it? jeff47 Jun 2013 #198

His own access wasn't the point he was trying to make. dkf Jun 2013 #211

And proving his own access would bolster that claim. jeff47 Jul 2013 #214

I doubt he thought the point of this would be to validate his access. dkf Jul 2013 #215

If that was true, those government documents would not be contradicting him. jeff47 Jul 2013 #216

Well, that settles it. (nm) MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #167

umm... nycbiscuit Jun 2013 #131

So if he's telling the truth about that, there's a data management problem. Recursion Jun 2013 #134

People have been saying for days that there is a data management ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #147

So you should post an apology at the top of this thread. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #172

Yes, he did: even granting what I just granted, Recursion Jun 2013 #177

Again, he told you anyone from any of the services with his level of technical access could dkf Jul 2013 #281

He said he personally could access the President's email. randome Jul 2013 #283

Do you really want him showing all of Obama's info ? Really? dkf Jul 2013 #287

Blackmail? Good God, that's what Snowden's been doing for a while now! randome Jul 2013 #293

If they mistreat him and his info gets released enmasse, I wouldn't be surprised to see that data. dkf Jul 2013 #301

On a side note, in all seriousness, I did not mean to offend you with that term Recursion Jun 2013 #184

Thanks. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #186

No, he'd only be able to see what the analysts requested jeff47 Jun 2013 #178

That would be the WaPo that found the WMD Coccydynia Jun 2013 #139

Jesus F'ing Christ! THIS IS WHAT SNOWDEN LEAKED! Recursion Jun 2013 #143

I didn't realize that what the PPT says Coccydynia Jun 2013 #208

WaPo only published this just now Recursion Jun 2013 #209

Don't worry about the world's worst person in the world. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #210

I know my posting history isn't obvious, but I haven't been Snowden-bashing Recursion Jun 2013 #212

He is going to suffer the fate of Manning, sadly. Coccydynia Jul 2013 #235

In his online chat... OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #262

Right. I mean, local police have a "policy" against not kicking down my door when they want Recursion Jul 2013 #264

Indeed. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #272

There are plenty of those treestar Jul 2013 #326

well not all DUers madrchsod Jun 2013 #140

and the reason why they have rushed to arrest and detain him is ? Swagman Jun 2013 #175

Well, first off, I don't see much of a rush here Recursion Jun 2013 #179

some seem to like a Rat with a slow hand MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #181

Then why is the government so upset with him? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #199

Well, telling China which of their computers we've hacked didn't make anyone in the government happy Recursion Jun 2013 #200

Management types and politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #201

Bureaucrats are bureacrats Recursion Jun 2013 #202

I weep over their embarrassment. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #205

uh no. numerous people from John Kerry to Nancy Pelosi to Obama cali Jun 2013 #206

Hell, *I* say he has more classified information Recursion Jun 2013 #207

Is that a bad joke? gcomeau Jul 2013 #263

My, my. You sound almost as upset as upset as the NSA and the politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #267

Stupid questions irritate me. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #268

Stupid policies like spying on the world irritate me. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #269

Good grief... gcomeau Jul 2013 #271

Maybe it's time to stop them considering how much good it's done. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #273

Brilliant idea gcomeau Jul 2013 #274

It sure as hell beats what we're doing now. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #276

No, dealing with reality always trumps living in a fantasy world. gcomeau Jul 2013 #277

Funny that our allies aren't sending us bouguets of thanks for our efforts. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #278

Look, James and Mary... randome Jul 2013 #279

Keep playing stupid. It's so productive. gcomeau Jul 2013 #280

So, it's all just a charade mindlessly played to no purpose. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #284

Now, when I said "keep playing stupid"... gcomeau Jul 2013 #285

I guess the Europeans didn't get the script because they are outraged. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #292

No... they are "outraged". gcomeau Jul 2013 #294

So, the administration's outrage at Snowden is just a charade, because everybody knows we spy? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #295

Ok, I'm not even sure that can be attributed to "playing" stupid. gcomeau Jul 2013 #297

I guess Snowdon didn't read the script and stay in assigned role. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #311

Probably each other's governments and industries not every individual citizen. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #312

Which they are NOT DOING NOW EITHER. gcomeau Jul 2013 #313

You should learn who Henry L. Stimson was. baldguy Jul 2013 #324

Snowden lied Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #213

Well, you know the popular cry Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #231

This DUer didn't believe that charlatan from the get-go. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #233

Well, well. To use the technical term. Hekate Jul 2013 #234

Snowden has done more damage than good. I have never championed what he did. It smelled mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #237

Smells worse by the day. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #259

And this is the key to showing NSA Surveillance is all on the up and up? Pholus Jul 2013 #238

I'm sure they need a ton of datacenters Recursion Jul 2013 #241

So why do they need even bigger datacenters? Pholus Jul 2013 #243

Google for Tyrants requires a lot of computing power... n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #266

Exactly. Fuck Rand Paul! FSogol Jul 2013 #240

Are we being prepped for the emergence of Francis Gary Snowden by Putin? Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #245

You DO know that FGP was piloting a spy plane, do you not? Ike finally owned up to it. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #250

Yep. I think Putin suspected a Limited Hangout operation from day one and snatched him... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #252

Wow. Hadn't thought of that Recursion Jul 2013 #265

I work in IT BobR Jul 2013 #270

I think they did say the metadata was encrypted. randome Jul 2013 #275

I think his defense will be mental illness flamingdem Jul 2013 #290

You are basing your certainty that Snowden lied based on the fact that the PP slide doesnt show rhett o rick Jul 2013 #286

Huh? This slide shows where NSA gets the data in the first place Recursion Jul 2013 #288

What about profiling? Could an NSA sysadmin access email or online chat? leveymg Jul 2013 #303

For 72 hours, it seems yes. That's a loophole we should fix Recursion Jul 2013 #304

I would think that even starting that 72 hour period requires a lot of sign-offs. randome Jul 2013 #307

Could it be, then, that Snowden was describing what he did during those 72 hours? leveymg Jul 2013 #308

Because he said "anyone", not "anyone who pops on the PRISM profile" Recursion Jul 2013 #310

We have had testimony from a couple of Senators that claim they were told that the NSA had rhett o rick Jul 2013 #305

So you are saying, in effect, that PowerPoint slides are worthless, right? randome Jul 2013 #322

WTF? reusrename Jul 2013 #315

So tell me what you think it means (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #317

The analyst inputs his selectors into a tool, a form or template if you will. reusrename Jul 2013 #318

i see the data not being forwarded from FBI to NSA until after Recursion Jul 2013 #321

The voice and emails are seen immediately by the analysts, and the slide supports this. reusrename Jul 2013 #330

Snowden said, "I has the authorities . . " Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #316

Someones been ratfucked that is for sure. Rex Jul 2013 #319

Now do you believe him? Snowden's Real Job: Government Hacker dkf Jul 2013 #320

So he's not Paul Revere. He's Kim Philby. baldguy Jul 2013 #325

He's screwed. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #327

Now he knows way too much. dkf Jul 2013 #329

that would explain a fair amount NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #331

I am Edward Snowden warrprayer Jul 2013 #339