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61. I'm thinking of two specific claims

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:44 AM

Jul 2013

1. Snowden claimed he could wiretap "anyone… even the President if I had a personal email."

He later walked that back and admitted there were "policy protections for US citizens."

(TPM covers this here.)

2. Snowden claimed he could "watch your thoughts form as you typed" (particularly odd, since typing does not send any network information except for some AJAX-based web chat clients).

(Mother Jones covers this here.)

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OK, let's look at the slide that WaPo just posted (classified picture warning) [View all] Recursion Jun 2013 OP

Sure, that's what they're telling us tularetom Jun 2013 #1

Isn't that part of the leaked material itself? treestar Jun 2013 #4

They're lying to us in a classified slide? Recursion Jun 2013 #6

So you just don't believe anything they say. Might as well DevonRex Jun 2013 #24

Dude, doesn't fit the meme railsback Jun 2013 #2

Que the Snowden fans saying this isn't proof in 4...3...2... baldguy Jun 2013 #3

It gets better! NSA doesn't even have the data, and has to ask for it from the FBI Recursion Jun 2013 #19

Someone here yesterday kept insisting that slide proved that the NSA, pnwmom Jun 2013 #5

yeah, i kept wondering too Recursion Jun 2013 #7

The problem is the constitutionality of the data collection. dkf Jun 2013 #12

Metadata has no Constitutional protection Recursion Jun 2013 #13

Look at the latest release of slides...they specifically note content which comes from the FBI dkf Jun 2013 #20

Slide two specifically says *all* of it comes from the FBI Recursion Jun 2013 #21

The NSA processes content that is captured by the FBI. dkf Jun 2013 #23

My guess is that the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. will gather as much data as they think they rhett o rick Jun 2013 #50

They ignore the elephant in the room...the data collection. dkf Jun 2013 #52

What do you think "Stored Content" is? hootinholler Jun 2013 #25

Stored content is telephony Recursion Jun 2013 #44

Fail. Orsino Jun 2013 #8

This is the classified slide that was leaked. You're calling that a "press release" Recursion Jun 2013 #10

It's one broad description of what is claimed to be "the" process. Orsino Jul 2013 #67

People were willing to believe other things from PP charts by the organization frazzled Jun 2013 #57

So how did he get all the information he is leaking? Lol. dkf Jun 2013 #9

The slides? They're probably an orientation presentation Recursion Jun 2013 #11

looks like we got some crack spies right here on DU! Whisp Jun 2013 #16

All those docs marked top secret? Nothing? dkf Jun 2013 #17

That would be interesting, though I doubt he had access to them Recursion Jun 2013 #18

He specifically said the access to the raw sigint is where you have access to it all. dkf Jun 2013 #22

So why release a slide that says the opposite? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #26

If you aren't offended by the collection you should at least be appalled over the lack of security dkf Jun 2013 #40

You guys are over-looking the fact that there may another leaker higher up, Snowden may be fall guy JaneyVee Jun 2013 #45

True. He went to Booz Allen to get the type of clearance that gave him a particular access. dkf Jun 2013 #46

Exactly what I've been thinking. mimi85 Jul 2013 #66

But everything Snowden releases jazzimov Jun 2013 #27

I don't know what you are referring to. dkf Jun 2013 #30

This slide. right here. the one i posted Recursion Jun 2013 #32

The scandal is the collection. I thought that was the NSA but apparently it's the FBI... dkf Jun 2013 #36

The collection requires three stages of approval! Recursion Jun 2013 #37

No no no. The collection is on the left side of slide 2 from the vendors. dkf Jun 2013 #42

A link to the accompanying article would be nice. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #14

Good point Recursion Jun 2013 #15

I was under the impression that Snowden was not just an "analyst"... kentuck Jun 2013 #28

But this slide shows the NSA doesn't even collect or keep the data Recursion Jun 2013 #29

I think it may be the opposite? kentuck Jun 2013 #38

The slide says FBI does all collection Recursion Jun 2013 #48

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #31

So this is all, the only thing? There is no possibility of things yet unrevealed? Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #33

Why would it classify something made up? Recursion Jun 2013 #34

NDAA Recursion Jun 2013 #35

The House passed it 315-108. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #41

+++ response marions ghost Jun 2013 #49

In spite of your best efforts, the bottom line is that information from US citizens is being stored. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #39

Some analysts have stated that Snowden was both NSA and CIA. n/t truedelphi Jun 2013 #43

The Guardian said that in their profile of him Recursion Jun 2013 #47

Mahalo, Recursion.. Snowden Lie?!! he's a sneak and snitch.. Cha Jun 2013 #51

Looks like facts are starting to surface....... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #53

It appears that BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #65

That is pretty interesting. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #54

And why should we believe that? nt Zorra Jun 2013 #55

Because it's what Snowden leaked? Recursion Jun 2013 #56

You're missing a set of important steps and pieces here that make a mash of your hypothesis: leveymg Jul 2013 #58

Was Snowden capable of manipulating the predictive profile score? Recursion Jul 2013 #59

The analyst makes an assessment based in part on the initial predictive score along with leveymg Jul 2013 #60

I'm thinking of two specific claims Recursion Jul 2013 #61

I'll look at those. Thnx. leveymg Jul 2013 #62

So the claim is that a bad actor could have a loophole to bypass some of the safeguards? Recursion Jul 2013 #63

It's hard to interpret this slide. There's not enough detail about each of those boxes. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #64

k&r Galraedia Jul 2013 #68