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hack89

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12. There are justified homicides

Reply to KurtNYC (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:48 AM

Jul 2013

so while he shot TM, he has the initial presumption that it was a justified shooting.

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In Zimmerman Trial, Prosecution Witnesses Bolster Self-Defense Claims[NY Times] [View all] hack89 Jul 2013 OP

"self defense" because the guy with the gun is always supposed to win? KurtNYC Jul 2013 #1

Of course Zimmerman is responsible for what happened hack89 Jul 2013 #2

You're forgetting the lesser included charge of manslaughter. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #6

That could get tricky for the government hack89 Jul 2013 #8

That was the problem with the Casey Anthony case. It's not really the case here. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #10

Zim admits to shooting him so the presumption of innocence is a little different here KurtNYC Jul 2013 #9

There are justified homicides hack89 Jul 2013 #12

So the burden of proof is on ZIMMERMAN to justify it NOT the prosecution uponit7771 Jul 2013 #24

That is NOT how the court system works joeglow3 Jul 2013 #29

No - that is not how it works hack89 Jul 2013 #35

Who determines if the defendant has made a prima facie showing of self defense? dkf Jul 2013 #49

Not sure. I suspect the process is tilted towards the defendant hack89 Jul 2013 #50

Also from your link, self defense needs aggravated battery. dkf Jul 2013 #52

Personally, I wouldn't think so. PotatoChip Jul 2013 #56

I'm sorry but this was murder in the first degree madokie Jul 2013 #3

I am not the one who charged him with 2nd degree murder - the state of Florida did. hack89 Jul 2013 #4

didn't say you were madokie Jul 2013 #5

Having a round chamberr does not prove premeditation. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #7

No its not madokie Jul 2013 #13

no, of you carry for self defence you hsve the gun ready yo fire loli phabay Jul 2013 #15

LOL madokie Jul 2013 #16

Every day that you are out in public, you pass by people like me. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #32

I know several madokie Jul 2013 #36

You have checked with CWL instructors? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #38

All hunters I know have a round chambered, safety on, finger off the trigger. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #18

Nope on both counts madokie Jul 2013 #19

I was in Vietnam too. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #23

Notice you're a Nam vet, premium Jul 2013 #27

Nope madokie Jul 2013 #30

So you and your unit waited until contact to chamber your weapons and give premium Jul 2013 #40

whenever I rack any weapon I immediatly top of my mag loli phabay Jul 2013 #31

That's the smart thing to do premium Jul 2013 #41

I don't believe him at all. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #45

I don't either. premium Jul 2013 #48

Not sure if serious... Pelican Jul 2013 #34

WTF madokie Jul 2013 #39

WTF indeed... Pelican Jul 2013 #44

My definition of self defense doesn't include starting the ruckus to begin with. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #11

Unfortunately Florida law sees it differently than you do. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #14

No it doesn't madokie Jul 2013 #17

Florida law allows the aggressor to use deadly force in self defense in specific situations hack89 Jul 2013 #20

Damn sure not in this situation madokie Jul 2013 #21

I take it you have not read the law. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #25

I take it you don't understand the law madokie Jul 2013 #26

It is in black and white. hack89 Jul 2013 #37

you are wrong RGR375 Jul 2013 #53

ZIMMERMAN TRAINED MMA 3 TIMES A WEEK! I don't believe they left that little tid bit out... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #22

This is the most bizarre trial I've ever watched. pintobean Jul 2013 #28

Hell, this keeps up premium Jul 2013 #33

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #42

Did you miss Casey Anthony? lol Little Star Jul 2013 #43

Dig It!!! nt. winstars Jul 2013 #46

So gz is the only one allowed self defense? Faux pas Jul 2013 #47

No - that is why the issue of who threw the first blow is so important to this case. hack89 Jul 2013 #51

A god given right RGR375 Jul 2013 #54

the resident with the best view that night recanted on re-direct magical thyme Jul 2013 #55

Jonathan Good always said that Trayvon was on top hack89 Jul 2013 #57