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Liberal_Stalwart71

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40. The couple who brought the case. DOMA can't be repealed in theory. The process requires

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:36 AM

Jul 2013

a lawsuit or "bringing the case" when there's a challenge to existing laws. So, the REAL heroes are the couples that brought the case and the organizations that backed them. I'm sure money was an issue, so those organizations also deserve credit.

It's the same with ENDA. People are furious with the president because they *wrongly* believe that all he has to do is sign some Executive Order. And while he COULD sign an EO, it doesn't have the force of law, and EO's may have an expiration date, so Congress would eventually have to consider the issue. In the same way that DOMA was challenge, ENDA would have to also be addressed that way. It needs to have the force of law.

Also, I believe that the president has ordered several benefits to federal employees and their spouses. I work for the federal government, and two LGBT couples I know have filed jointly for federal benefits.

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To whom do you give the most credit for the repeal of DOMA? [View all] Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 OP

I give credit to time and the dogged work of those who publicized the simple bone-headedness of the MADem Jul 2013 #1

We did WovenGems Jul 2013 #2

Television. tavernier Jul 2013 #3

Good point treestar Jul 2013 #11

Margaret Marshall MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #4

I give Dr. King and Lyndon B. Johnson 100% for the 1960s voting rights/civil rights acts signed graham4anything Jul 2013 #5

"This question obviously was asked, because on that other thread . . . . ." Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #8

my answer is the same- just like the 1960s civil rights acts. Without LBJ and Dr. King working toget graham4anything Jul 2013 #13

A long, dedicated, organized effort starting with courageous folks stepping Ninga Jul 2013 #6

To the gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, and queer Americans and their supporters who idwiyo Jul 2013 #7

Not the most credit but a fair part of it goes to the President. Whisp Jul 2013 #9

Obama, bless his heart. When he finally stopped defending DOMA Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #16

Obama spent "years preaching against us" ?? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #19

President Obama may not have preached but he made his views quite clear William769 Jul 2013 #21

Obama's evolvement on this issue has also brought a good number of black Americans Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #51

I agree 100%. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #56

HAHAHAHAHAHA. funniest thing so far on DU today.nt boilerbabe Jul 2013 #63

The Queens at Stonewall that decided they just weren't going to take it anymore justiceischeap Jul 2013 #10

DOMA particularly? I'd say Boies and Olson. Orangepeel Jul 2013 #12

And Olson is a Republican Christian. longship Jul 2013 #30

Boies and Olson fought the battle RudynJack Jul 2013 #43

Ack! Dumb me. Orangepeel Jul 2013 #46

Nah, RudynJack Jul 2013 #47

A family member of mine and millions more like him. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #14

People who lived free lives in spite of the bigotry and discrimination imposed by Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #15

The tone of your post is offensive Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #22

No offense to you stinky William769 Jul 2013 #28

William, my objection was to use of the word "you" Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #36

Juror #4 here. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #23

For the record, that was not my alert. I rarely - very rarely - alert. Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #37

And I believe you. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #48

Absolutely agree. Living with integrity can be painful, but closeupready Jul 2013 #26

This straight person agrees with your post. The Link Jul 2013 #29

You. Me. Joe Biden. The Link Jul 2013 #17

John Boehner and the rest of the House Republicans Revanchist Jul 2013 #18

The Republican party & right wing christians. William769 Jul 2013 #20

David Boies and Ted Olson. But I think closeupready Jul 2013 #24

Boies and Olson RudynJack Jul 2013 #44

True, but by the same token, all of us had even less to do with DOMA. closeupready Jul 2013 #58

We the People did it. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #25

A group effort by all of the opponents of DOMA MrScorpio Jul 2013 #27

The credit goes to all the activists, members of LGBT and Allies who refused to sit down and shut up Marrah_G Jul 2013 #31

Not the person you are fishing for. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #32

Who is it you think I am fishing for? Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #39

To whom do you give the most credit for the repeal of DOMA? yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #33

I don't. Iggo Jul 2013 #34

I think of people like my uncle dsc Jul 2013 #35

Just FYI, Windsor's case was done on a pro bono basis - i.e., free closeupready Jul 2013 #38

O.K., thanks!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #41

I didn't realize that dsc Jul 2013 #42

I left a big one out dsc Jul 2013 #60

The couple who brought the case. DOMA can't be repealed in theory. The process requires Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #40

EO's in this regard have often survived even into GOP administrations dsc Jul 2013 #45

You really think that the Republicans at ANY level of government won't attempt to repeal Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #53

The tea bagger governors of PA and OH dsc Jul 2013 #54

I still would prefer that ENDA be addressed through the proper channels. We fought civil rights Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #57

I highly doubt we will win ENDA in the courts dsc Jul 2013 #59

But that's what EOs are for. EO's direct the president's agencies to act on behalf of Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #61

actually this EO dsc Jul 2013 #62

Federal laws DO apply to businesses that contract with government. Contractors have to follow Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #64

but there is no federal law protecting gays dsc Jul 2013 #65

And again, EOs are very limited in what they can do because they only apply Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #66

yes it would dsc Jul 2013 #68

Let's wait and see what happens. Just because Obama hasn't issued an EO doesn't mean Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #69

The attorneys for their strategic and effective litigation. morningfog Jul 2013 #49

The voters. tarheelsunc Jul 2013 #50

Joe Biden. BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #52

TV, movies, media. dkf Jul 2013 #55

The five Supreme Court Justices treestar Jul 2013 #67