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In reply to the discussion: Get ready for it: Another economic collapse is coming. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)13. Right
Krugman himself admits that a major European crisis would cause major disruption with unforseeable consequences, "...if European events cause a Lehman-type event, disrupting financial markets world-wide, all bets are off."
And though Dean Baker may be convinced that the collapse of the Eurozone is unlikely, I disagree. The EU doesn't have the kind of institutional structure that the US does. If Nevada gets into financial trouble, the other 49 states pick up the slack under the guidance of the Federal government. The EU constitution doesn't have a similar provision. Greece is still sovereign, and Angela Merkel And Nicholas Sarkozy can't force the Greek government to defy the will of the Greek people forever. If there is a revolution in Greece, which looks increasingly likely as harsh austerity measures are imposed, then I agree with Krugman that all bets are off.
And though I respect the opinions of both men, I would remind you that the majority of economists (though not these two) didn't see the handwriting on the wall before the last crisis.
And though Dean Baker may be convinced that the collapse of the Eurozone is unlikely, I disagree. The EU doesn't have the kind of institutional structure that the US does. If Nevada gets into financial trouble, the other 49 states pick up the slack under the guidance of the Federal government. The EU constitution doesn't have a similar provision. Greece is still sovereign, and Angela Merkel And Nicholas Sarkozy can't force the Greek government to defy the will of the Greek people forever. If there is a revolution in Greece, which looks increasingly likely as harsh austerity measures are imposed, then I agree with Krugman that all bets are off.
And though I respect the opinions of both men, I would remind you that the majority of economists (though not these two) didn't see the handwriting on the wall before the last crisis.
...but what constitutes "major European crisis"? When all the talk about Greece's impending doom was at its height and parallels were being drawn, Krugman made the case that the U.S. is not Greece. Does anyone foresee a "Lehman-type event"? That was the basis for a lot of the past predictions of doom. In fact, some went so far to say Wall Street reform wouldn't prevent it. I disagree. The FDIC has its new powers and the Volcker rule takes effect in July. Whatever financial crisis awaits in the future, it will not be similar to the last one, and it will not happen anytime soon.
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What this is actually: Gigantic Theft by Banks of National Treaure they have no right to
librechik
Feb 2012
#3
You do know, by the way, that carriers have drastically overexpanded capacity?
banned from Kos
Feb 2012
#4
One way to drop unemployment numbers is to remove people from the labor market.
Selatius
Feb 2012
#30
The problem is unions have basically been kettled into the Northeast and West Coast.
Selatius
Feb 2012
#38
I've been reading desperate attempts to wake people to the doom upon them - since the early 80's
bhikkhu
Feb 2012
#40
Things have steadily gotten worse. Wages falling behind inflation, but mostly this.
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#41
Food will become more scarce, for one. Along with jobs. That shoulda been obvious.
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#43