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Atman

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67. I'm just not finding Zimmerman's testimony credible at all.

Reply to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:26 PM

Jul 2013

From his written statement -- in formal "cop" style -- to the many inconsistencies, it just isn't adding up.

For instance, he now claims he was not "following" Martin, although that's not what he has been stating up until now. Suddenly, he was looking for the name of his street. Now, to the posters upthread who claimed they don't know the names of the streets in their neighborhoods even after years, remember, Zimmerman was supposed to be heading up the Neighborhood Watch program. You would think that he'd be a little more familiar with the local streets after patrolling them for years.

Also, what's with the story about Trayvon jumping out of the bushes now? Bushes which the police indicated don't even exist, as pointed out on the neighborhood map. But why would Trayvon be jumping out of the bushes? I thought Zimmerman was following him? So, the kids jumps out of the bushes and sucker-punches Zim, according to his latest statements. Statements which also include that the two of them had words which just don't sound plausible. Were they exchanging words, or was Trayvon laying in wait to jump out of the bushes and sucker punch Zim? So, let me get this straight...he jumps out of the bushes in the dark, and then they have a brief conversation? Why didn't Zim just cap him then? And none of the witnesses saw or heard any such exchange of words, just the screams for help.

It just doesn't add up, imho.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 6, Monday, July 1, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

Trial hasn't started. Various evidence pictures being placed in front of camera. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #1

Trial is resumed. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #2

Nakasone, FBI expert on voice recognition on stand. Forensics. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #3

Wonder how much they can testify regarding voice analysis. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #4

He is going over the process and then he will not offer an analysis?.... chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #5

Nakasone has offered an analysis Lurks Often Jul 2013 #7

Interestingly, when confronted with the call, Zimmerman himself said it didn't sound like him. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #8

And Martin's father, when first asked, stated it did not sound like his son n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #10

But we have Zimmerman himself, who he himself now claims he was crying for help.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #14

Is there any evidence that will convince you Zimmerman is not guilty? Lurks Often Jul 2013 #19

If there was a witness that saw Trayvon ambush Zimmerman out of the blue... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #24

One might ask you the obvious companion question, might one not? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #210

Sure Lurks Often Jul 2013 #215

Trivial. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #26

I trust you think the same.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #28

Tracy wasn't Trayvon. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #146

Tracy's a he. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #149

Yes. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #222

Again, Tracy's a he. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #223

OK. Corrected it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #224

Meh... pipi_k Jul 2013 #27

That's the father not the person, Zimmerman said it didn't sound like him uponit7771 Jul 2013 #63

We'll have to see what the jury decides, won't we. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #71

So that means this is your final post on the topic, correct? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #211

Nope n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #212

Wrong. woolldog Jul 2013 #40

Ok, wasn't aware of that part of FL law n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #51

Zimmerman yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #100

Any HOA rules and/or policies would not be legally binding. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #147

Any HOA rules and/or policies would not be legally binding. yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #175

West says he plans to call Nakasone as a defense witness. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #6

It is my opinion that the DA's office premium Jul 2013 #12

I also think they overreached. Manslaughter would be much better. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #16

Manslaughter doesn't apply demwing Jul 2013 #79

why doesn't manslaughter apply? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #132

It does, premium Jul 2013 #134

In Florida, this is automatic demwing Jul 2013 #189

Thank you for the info. premium Jul 2013 #192

according to lots of sources the manslaughter charge is included Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #94

I was corrected downthread, premium Jul 2013 #95

I'm not too familiar with Flordia law or the testimony given so far NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #35

Possible, but I hope the judge doesn't grant it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #38

My understanding is that it is often asked but rarely given NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #41

Unlikely a Directed Verdict will be granted Lurks Often Jul 2013 #53

Yes, often asked rarely granted is my understanding NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #55

Uhmmm. I doubt the judge will give a verdict in a trial where Zimmerman has chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #84

Who's Walker? nt. premium Jul 2013 #91

Doris Singleton, Sanford PD officer, on stand. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #9

she did not believe Zimmerman riverwalker Jul 2013 #11

she recorded inital interview with Zimmerman n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #13

They are playing the recording. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #18

Doesn't matter. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #15

So sayeth the NYT also. nt. premium Jul 2013 #17

Wasn't aware the NYT was a juror in this case. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #20

In the end premium Jul 2013 #22

Yes, that's what I just said. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #25

NS, S. So why do keep at it? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #213

Yes. How dare newspapers opine on stuff (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #75

unlike the Guardian Online, which on Friday said that the prosecution had set things up magical thyme Jul 2013 #21

You're absolutely right, premium Jul 2013 #23

Come on now... pipi_k Jul 2013 #30

Pundits gonna pundit. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #32

They will indeed... pipi_k Jul 2013 #42

True. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #44

Local Fox News channel over the weekend was running taglines such as .... Roland99 Jul 2013 #39

Here's the thing about legal "analysts" in high profile trials. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #43

These tapes aren't helping the prosecution. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #29

Why do you say that? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #34

I would expect to see some kind of inconsistency LittleBlue Jul 2013 #36

It's one interview out of many. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #37

Well damn, the murderer was being treated like one of the boys. The only thing they didn't do was HipChick Jul 2013 #31

"I guess he was upset that I called the police." Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #33

Easy assumption, since Z was on phone when T approached it. korak Jul 2013 #59

So Trayvon assumed. And THEN Z assumed. Lotta assumptions goin' on---sez Georgie. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #214

So Zimmerman's written statement claims that Trayvon was looking into homes? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #45

The police officer reading Zimmerman's statement is making one thing clear: madaboutharry Jul 2013 #46

Zimmerman's description of Trayvon as "the suspect" Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #47

lest we forget the "my daddy is a judge" card n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #54

So the policeman cannot read cursive either? HipChick Jul 2013 #48

Some people have crappy handwriting. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #49

Z claims TM comletely circled his truck. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #50

Z didn't know the name of his street? riverwalker Jul 2013 #52

I don't know the streets in my neighborhood that I have lived in for 5 years. justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #56

The difference is that Zimmerman was a avebury Jul 2013 #58

I am a firefighter who responds to EMS calls in my neighborhood all the time belcffub Jul 2013 #60

You are probably dealing with more then avebury Jul 2013 #64

you are correct... belcffub Jul 2013 #65

He called the cops almost 50 times to report incidents. Incitatus Jul 2013 #76

Are the addresses posted on the backyard side as well as street side? It does seem very off. uppityperson Jul 2013 #88

You have to keep track of them? My street is right where I left it every time I come home. Atman Jul 2013 #80

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #61

Good point n/t justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #105

WTH relevance is this? Z was a WATCH-CAPTAIN. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #217

CNN has Ashleigh Banfield and some "pundit" madaboutharry Jul 2013 #57

I agree it was a stupid comment..... Little Star Jul 2013 #66

Pundits gonna pundit. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #68

From Zimmerman's own statement to police. avebury Jul 2013 #62

he also said that he spread TM's hands apart NatBurner Jul 2013 #69

yep Little Star Jul 2013 #130

Martin would not have died instantly. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #70

... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #81

Z spread TM's hands apart, then tucked them under his body before cops got there? uppityperson Jul 2013 #90

Unknown. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #144

Maybe this dialogue will find its way into the TV movie. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #103

But then why is no blood on Zimmerman? Nevernose Jul 2013 #198

The heart stopped pumping instantly. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #201

There would still be some blood Nevernose Jul 2013 #203

Small amount of blood, caught by TM's clothes. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #206

I'm just not finding Zimmerman's testimony credible at all. Atman Jul 2013 #67

+1, first officer who interviewed him said Z showed that he didn't know T was dead. Yeap, Z was... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #72

Ahhh, so you were there? premium Jul 2013 #73

Standard old DU throwback. Atman Jul 2013 #74

I am listening to the testimony premium Jul 2013 #77

He is charged with manslaughter. It's the lesser included charge. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #87

Good, because, IMO, if the jury votes to convict premium Jul 2013 #89

Yes, now what?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #83

So when do you testify? premium Jul 2013 #86

Thursday... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #97

Well, I'll certainly look forward to it. premium Jul 2013 #98

Give it up, premium! Atman Jul 2013 #102

Exactly. Every time there's a big trial, fuss-budgets admonish people with working brains. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #107

Never said people aren't allowed to shape opinions. nt. premium Jul 2013 #110

Watching the video walk through that avebury Jul 2013 #119

atman arely staircase Jul 2013 #216

Strange female police officer thinks nothing special about Z referring to Ninga Jul 2013 #78

Good quetsion, why would he put his gun back if he thought TM was alive?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #82

I can't tell whether she's a prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #85

CHRIS SERINO CALLED TO TESTIFY Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #92

These fucking cops are incompetent Marrah_G Jul 2013 #93

It seems to me that Zimmerman's story kept getting more elaborate with the telling. Skidmore Jul 2013 #96

And the cops NEVER interrogated him as a suspect, just as a VICTIM Marrah_G Jul 2013 #99

Z had hollow point ammo in his gun......I thought only cops used that.... Gin Jul 2013 #101

most defensive ammo is hollow point belcffub Jul 2013 #106

Incorrect. ksoze Jul 2013 #108

Hollow point ammo is the standard choice for self defense SlipperySlope Jul 2013 #200

So, wait a minute. Did Zimmerman just say that Martin saw him immediately chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #104

The "Before" Z looks MUCH more intimidating than the "Now" Z. Interesting. IMO, Z started a fight he WinkyDink Jul 2013 #109

Imagine if you are a jury person, believable or not as you watch this video? Ninga Jul 2013 #111

I'm not watching as closely as I would be then, though. But I find Z's "Yes, Sirs" obsequious. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #112

I just don't believe Zimmerman. The video walk through avebury Jul 2013 #120

"after I shot him he sat up" !! KurtNYC Jul 2013 #113

From bearing down to a sitting position. But I don't believe Z at all, anyway. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #114

Z then spread TM's hands, held him on his back yet TM was found with hands under his body. It boggle uppityperson Jul 2013 #117

Maybe if the force of the shot pushed him BACKWARDS into a 'sitting' position Myrina Jul 2013 #122

Playing the video walkthrough by Zimmerman Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #115

Oh, NOW Z is claiming he was surprise-attacked! And he's SOOO injured! Poor Georgie! Excess details WinkyDink Jul 2013 #116

LYING his BUT off about what the FP said uponit7771 Jul 2013 #118

How did Trayvon supposedly jump out from behind the bushes when Ninga Jul 2013 #123

TM was superman, beat up a guy who trained MMA 3 days a week and had a gun so...it wouldn't uponit7771 Jul 2013 #126

The neighborhood watch captain doesn't know the name of the few streets in chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #121

Worst. Watch. Captain. Ever. Atman Jul 2013 #125

only called in a 911 every couple of months grok Jul 2013 #127

the walkthrough riverwalker Jul 2013 #124

...not only that but the cop that showed up first did NOT notice a gun and had a flashlight!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #129

WTH...Is Z flirting with this female cop? What's with the LAUGHING? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #128

Audio is horrible uponit7771 Jul 2013 #131

GZ describing other break ins uponit7771 Jul 2013 #133

GZ: TM didn't look like a marathon runner uponit7771 Jul 2013 #135

Oh, RIGHT. "And another thing: He walked up to my car and put his hand in his waist-band." Bwahaha! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #136

"To be honest with you" = LIAR. AND strongly implies he had been LYING UP TO then. "Bad memory." Oy! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #137

Zimmerman "I have a terrible memory" n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #138

For someone who claims to have a really bad memory avebury Jul 2013 #139

Just like a normal liar. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #141

OMG. "He was suffocating me. He was going to kill me." WinkyDink Jul 2013 #140

So he had to scream for help. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #142

THIS PROVES IT WASN"T Z!! Z claimes TM had was covering his mouth!! How in the world uponit7771 Jul 2013 #148

Relax. He didn't say his mouth was covered the entire time ksoze Jul 2013 #150

Don't relax, there's no "muffle" in the 911 ladies call those were OUT LOUD screams before uponit7771 Jul 2013 #151

He never said his mouth was covered the entire time. ksoze Jul 2013 #155

the entire time is irrelevant...what was before the shot was taken uponit7771 Jul 2013 #159

Obviously the mouth covering is moot after the shot ksoze Jul 2013 #162

Nobody has testified to that, not even the Zman. premium Jul 2013 #169

"The ZMan"? LOL demwing Jul 2013 #196

THIS! Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #207

Z's second recored statment to Serino....regards uponit7771 Jul 2013 #188

OMFG, you've broken the case wide open premium Jul 2013 #166

reading the audio transcript to follow along riverwalker Jul 2013 #143

This tape blows Z defense WIDE FREAKIN OPEN, Mutiple chanses to ID himself and didn't take it uponit7771 Jul 2013 #145

Serino is devastating to Z story riverwalker Jul 2013 #152

Well I guess that's it, he's guilty, premium Jul 2013 #153

Yes, when I testify on thursday case will be closed no doubt...I got video uponit7771 Jul 2013 #154

OFGS. Just stop. What will you say if Z's convicted? "Wait for the appeal!"? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #156

I said consistently that I believe he's guilty, premium Jul 2013 #158

please stop pretending your don't have an opinion noiretextatique Jul 2013 #157

See post# 158. premium Jul 2013 #161

isn't that what you are doing? noiretextatique Jul 2013 #174

I've not once said I didn't have an opinion, premium Jul 2013 #178

and you can do that...i think the bastard is guilty as sin noiretextatique Jul 2013 #181

And I never said you couldn't have an opinion. premium Jul 2013 #182

So your sarcastic "When you testify" carries zero implication re: holding an opinion? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #190

So I'm the only one being sarcastic here, right? nt. premium Jul 2013 #194

Oh, mais non. But you are one of a few who adds nothing BUT. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #218

I will riverwalker Jul 2013 #180

Considering I was a premium Jul 2013 #184

then get used to people discussing riverwalker Jul 2013 #185

Where did I ever say they couldn't? nt. premium Jul 2013 #186

Then why keep adding sarcastic replies? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #191

However, he will have a life riverwalker Jul 2013 #195

Someone who has been watching right along might be able to answer this.... chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #160

good, question....I haven't heard anything....regards uponit7771 Jul 2013 #165

IIRC Trayvon's friend Rachel was talking about a bluetooth headset. JVS Jul 2013 #170

And that would make me even more suspicious of Zimmerman's account chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #177

How does Zimmerman know Martin had Blue tooth? Lurks Often Jul 2013 #197

Zimmerman didn't have an attorney at the reenactment because he was using the SYG law as his Gin Jul 2013 #163

LC - "...you were CHASING HIM!!..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #164

911 tape has NO MUFFLING before the shot!! Z Claims TM was covering his mouth uponit7771 Jul 2013 #167

Zimmmerman claimed Trayvon was smothering him RIGHT BEFORE he shot him. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #168

+1, Zimmerman - "....THAT DOESN'T EVEN SOUND LIKE ME!!!..." freakin wow!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #172

I told people to wait for the Serino testimony before they start judging the case. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #173

Serino IS the star, RJ was a head fake!! Nice going PA's uponit7771 Jul 2013 #179

exactly riverwalker Jul 2013 #176

Zimmerman claimed the screams weren't his! Nevernose Jul 2013 #199

Having heard Zimmerman speak, HockeyMom Jul 2013 #220

How about we just take Zimmerman's word for it? n/t Nevernose Jul 2013 #221

BOOM! Serino - "....I can't tell at what point he was smoothering you...." because if it was Z... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #171

trial resumes riverwalker Jul 2013 #183

This lawyer has, unfortunately, an Elmer Fudd impediment. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #187

Which one, De La Ronda (state) or O'Mara (defense)? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #193

O'Mara n/t Soundman Jul 2013 #204

"I see you are wearing a Cross" HockeyMom Jul 2013 #202

She answered that she was Christian, and he said well if you're polly7 Jul 2013 #205

The lawyer's statement was bizarre on the face of it. Plenty of Catholic soldiers, e.g. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #209

My question of the day concerns Zimmerman claiming he rolled down his car windows displacedtexan Jul 2013 #208

zimmerman's ever-changing story noiretextatique Jul 2013 #219