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124. the walkthrough

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Mon Jul 1, 2013, 03:10 PM

Jul 2013

if it was pitch black dark, why did Z tell them that during the fight " he saw Trayvon's eyes look at his gun"?

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 6, Monday, July 1, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

Trial hasn't started. Various evidence pictures being placed in front of camera. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #1

Trial is resumed. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #2

Nakasone, FBI expert on voice recognition on stand. Forensics. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #3

Wonder how much they can testify regarding voice analysis. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #4

He is going over the process and then he will not offer an analysis?.... chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #5

Nakasone has offered an analysis Lurks Often Jul 2013 #7

Interestingly, when confronted with the call, Zimmerman himself said it didn't sound like him. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #8

And Martin's father, when first asked, stated it did not sound like his son n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #10

But we have Zimmerman himself, who he himself now claims he was crying for help.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #14

Is there any evidence that will convince you Zimmerman is not guilty? Lurks Often Jul 2013 #19

If there was a witness that saw Trayvon ambush Zimmerman out of the blue... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #24

One might ask you the obvious companion question, might one not? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #210

Sure Lurks Often Jul 2013 #215

Trivial. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #26

I trust you think the same.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #28

Tracy wasn't Trayvon. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #146

Tracy's a he. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #149

Yes. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #222

Again, Tracy's a he. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #223

OK. Corrected it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #224

Meh... pipi_k Jul 2013 #27

That's the father not the person, Zimmerman said it didn't sound like him uponit7771 Jul 2013 #63

We'll have to see what the jury decides, won't we. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #71

So that means this is your final post on the topic, correct? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #211

Nope n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #212

Wrong. woolldog Jul 2013 #40

Ok, wasn't aware of that part of FL law n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #51

Zimmerman yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #100

Any HOA rules and/or policies would not be legally binding. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #147

Any HOA rules and/or policies would not be legally binding. yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #175

West says he plans to call Nakasone as a defense witness. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #6

It is my opinion that the DA's office premium Jul 2013 #12

I also think they overreached. Manslaughter would be much better. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #16

Manslaughter doesn't apply demwing Jul 2013 #79

why doesn't manslaughter apply? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #132

It does, premium Jul 2013 #134

In Florida, this is automatic demwing Jul 2013 #189

Thank you for the info. premium Jul 2013 #192

according to lots of sources the manslaughter charge is included Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #94

I was corrected downthread, premium Jul 2013 #95

I'm not too familiar with Flordia law or the testimony given so far NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #35

Possible, but I hope the judge doesn't grant it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #38

My understanding is that it is often asked but rarely given NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #41

Unlikely a Directed Verdict will be granted Lurks Often Jul 2013 #53

Yes, often asked rarely granted is my understanding NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #55

Uhmmm. I doubt the judge will give a verdict in a trial where Zimmerman has chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #84

Who's Walker? nt. premium Jul 2013 #91

Doris Singleton, Sanford PD officer, on stand. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #9

she did not believe Zimmerman riverwalker Jul 2013 #11

she recorded inital interview with Zimmerman n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #13

They are playing the recording. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #18

Doesn't matter. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #15

So sayeth the NYT also. nt. premium Jul 2013 #17

Wasn't aware the NYT was a juror in this case. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #20

In the end premium Jul 2013 #22

Yes, that's what I just said. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #25

NS, S. So why do keep at it? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #213

Yes. How dare newspapers opine on stuff (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #75

unlike the Guardian Online, which on Friday said that the prosecution had set things up magical thyme Jul 2013 #21

You're absolutely right, premium Jul 2013 #23

Come on now... pipi_k Jul 2013 #30

Pundits gonna pundit. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #32

They will indeed... pipi_k Jul 2013 #42

True. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #44

Local Fox News channel over the weekend was running taglines such as .... Roland99 Jul 2013 #39

Here's the thing about legal "analysts" in high profile trials. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #43

These tapes aren't helping the prosecution. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #29

Why do you say that? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #34

I would expect to see some kind of inconsistency LittleBlue Jul 2013 #36

It's one interview out of many. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #37

Well damn, the murderer was being treated like one of the boys. The only thing they didn't do was HipChick Jul 2013 #31

"I guess he was upset that I called the police." Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #33

Easy assumption, since Z was on phone when T approached it. korak Jul 2013 #59

So Trayvon assumed. And THEN Z assumed. Lotta assumptions goin' on---sez Georgie. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #214

So Zimmerman's written statement claims that Trayvon was looking into homes? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #45

The police officer reading Zimmerman's statement is making one thing clear: madaboutharry Jul 2013 #46

Zimmerman's description of Trayvon as "the suspect" Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #47

lest we forget the "my daddy is a judge" card n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #54

So the policeman cannot read cursive either? HipChick Jul 2013 #48

Some people have crappy handwriting. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #49

Z claims TM comletely circled his truck. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #50

Z didn't know the name of his street? riverwalker Jul 2013 #52

I don't know the streets in my neighborhood that I have lived in for 5 years. justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #56

The difference is that Zimmerman was a avebury Jul 2013 #58

I am a firefighter who responds to EMS calls in my neighborhood all the time belcffub Jul 2013 #60

You are probably dealing with more then avebury Jul 2013 #64

you are correct... belcffub Jul 2013 #65

He called the cops almost 50 times to report incidents. Incitatus Jul 2013 #76

Are the addresses posted on the backyard side as well as street side? It does seem very off. uppityperson Jul 2013 #88

You have to keep track of them? My street is right where I left it every time I come home. Atman Jul 2013 #80

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #61

Good point n/t justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #105

WTH relevance is this? Z was a WATCH-CAPTAIN. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #217

CNN has Ashleigh Banfield and some "pundit" madaboutharry Jul 2013 #57

I agree it was a stupid comment..... Little Star Jul 2013 #66

Pundits gonna pundit. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #68

From Zimmerman's own statement to police. avebury Jul 2013 #62

he also said that he spread TM's hands apart NatBurner Jul 2013 #69

yep Little Star Jul 2013 #130

Martin would not have died instantly. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #70

... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #81

Z spread TM's hands apart, then tucked them under his body before cops got there? uppityperson Jul 2013 #90

Unknown. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #144

Maybe this dialogue will find its way into the TV movie. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #103

But then why is no blood on Zimmerman? Nevernose Jul 2013 #198

The heart stopped pumping instantly. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #201

There would still be some blood Nevernose Jul 2013 #203

Small amount of blood, caught by TM's clothes. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #206

I'm just not finding Zimmerman's testimony credible at all. Atman Jul 2013 #67

+1, first officer who interviewed him said Z showed that he didn't know T was dead. Yeap, Z was... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #72

Ahhh, so you were there? premium Jul 2013 #73

Standard old DU throwback. Atman Jul 2013 #74

I am listening to the testimony premium Jul 2013 #77

He is charged with manslaughter. It's the lesser included charge. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #87

Good, because, IMO, if the jury votes to convict premium Jul 2013 #89

Yes, now what?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #83

So when do you testify? premium Jul 2013 #86

Thursday... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #97

Well, I'll certainly look forward to it. premium Jul 2013 #98

Give it up, premium! Atman Jul 2013 #102

Exactly. Every time there's a big trial, fuss-budgets admonish people with working brains. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #107

Never said people aren't allowed to shape opinions. nt. premium Jul 2013 #110

Watching the video walk through that avebury Jul 2013 #119

atman arely staircase Jul 2013 #216

Strange female police officer thinks nothing special about Z referring to Ninga Jul 2013 #78

Good quetsion, why would he put his gun back if he thought TM was alive?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #82

I can't tell whether she's a prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #85

CHRIS SERINO CALLED TO TESTIFY Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #92

These fucking cops are incompetent Marrah_G Jul 2013 #93

It seems to me that Zimmerman's story kept getting more elaborate with the telling. Skidmore Jul 2013 #96

And the cops NEVER interrogated him as a suspect, just as a VICTIM Marrah_G Jul 2013 #99

Z had hollow point ammo in his gun......I thought only cops used that.... Gin Jul 2013 #101

most defensive ammo is hollow point belcffub Jul 2013 #106

Incorrect. ksoze Jul 2013 #108

Hollow point ammo is the standard choice for self defense SlipperySlope Jul 2013 #200

So, wait a minute. Did Zimmerman just say that Martin saw him immediately chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #104

The "Before" Z looks MUCH more intimidating than the "Now" Z. Interesting. IMO, Z started a fight he WinkyDink Jul 2013 #109

Imagine if you are a jury person, believable or not as you watch this video? Ninga Jul 2013 #111

I'm not watching as closely as I would be then, though. But I find Z's "Yes, Sirs" obsequious. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #112

I just don't believe Zimmerman. The video walk through avebury Jul 2013 #120

"after I shot him he sat up" !! KurtNYC Jul 2013 #113

From bearing down to a sitting position. But I don't believe Z at all, anyway. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #114

Z then spread TM's hands, held him on his back yet TM was found with hands under his body. It boggle uppityperson Jul 2013 #117

Maybe if the force of the shot pushed him BACKWARDS into a 'sitting' position Myrina Jul 2013 #122

Playing the video walkthrough by Zimmerman Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #115

Oh, NOW Z is claiming he was surprise-attacked! And he's SOOO injured! Poor Georgie! Excess details WinkyDink Jul 2013 #116

LYING his BUT off about what the FP said uponit7771 Jul 2013 #118

How did Trayvon supposedly jump out from behind the bushes when Ninga Jul 2013 #123

TM was superman, beat up a guy who trained MMA 3 days a week and had a gun so...it wouldn't uponit7771 Jul 2013 #126

The neighborhood watch captain doesn't know the name of the few streets in chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #121

Worst. Watch. Captain. Ever. Atman Jul 2013 #125

only called in a 911 every couple of months grok Jul 2013 #127

the walkthrough riverwalker Jul 2013 #124

...not only that but the cop that showed up first did NOT notice a gun and had a flashlight!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #129

WTH...Is Z flirting with this female cop? What's with the LAUGHING? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #128

Audio is horrible uponit7771 Jul 2013 #131

GZ describing other break ins uponit7771 Jul 2013 #133

GZ: TM didn't look like a marathon runner uponit7771 Jul 2013 #135

Oh, RIGHT. "And another thing: He walked up to my car and put his hand in his waist-band." Bwahaha! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #136

"To be honest with you" = LIAR. AND strongly implies he had been LYING UP TO then. "Bad memory." Oy! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #137

Zimmerman "I have a terrible memory" n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #138

For someone who claims to have a really bad memory avebury Jul 2013 #139

Just like a normal liar. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #141

OMG. "He was suffocating me. He was going to kill me." WinkyDink Jul 2013 #140

So he had to scream for help. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #142

THIS PROVES IT WASN"T Z!! Z claimes TM had was covering his mouth!! How in the world uponit7771 Jul 2013 #148

Relax. He didn't say his mouth was covered the entire time ksoze Jul 2013 #150

Don't relax, there's no "muffle" in the 911 ladies call those were OUT LOUD screams before uponit7771 Jul 2013 #151

He never said his mouth was covered the entire time. ksoze Jul 2013 #155

the entire time is irrelevant...what was before the shot was taken uponit7771 Jul 2013 #159

Obviously the mouth covering is moot after the shot ksoze Jul 2013 #162

Nobody has testified to that, not even the Zman. premium Jul 2013 #169

"The ZMan"? LOL demwing Jul 2013 #196

THIS! Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #207

Z's second recored statment to Serino....regards uponit7771 Jul 2013 #188

OMFG, you've broken the case wide open premium Jul 2013 #166

reading the audio transcript to follow along riverwalker Jul 2013 #143

This tape blows Z defense WIDE FREAKIN OPEN, Mutiple chanses to ID himself and didn't take it uponit7771 Jul 2013 #145

Serino is devastating to Z story riverwalker Jul 2013 #152

Well I guess that's it, he's guilty, premium Jul 2013 #153

Yes, when I testify on thursday case will be closed no doubt...I got video uponit7771 Jul 2013 #154

OFGS. Just stop. What will you say if Z's convicted? "Wait for the appeal!"? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #156

I said consistently that I believe he's guilty, premium Jul 2013 #158

please stop pretending your don't have an opinion noiretextatique Jul 2013 #157

See post# 158. premium Jul 2013 #161

isn't that what you are doing? noiretextatique Jul 2013 #174

I've not once said I didn't have an opinion, premium Jul 2013 #178

and you can do that...i think the bastard is guilty as sin noiretextatique Jul 2013 #181

And I never said you couldn't have an opinion. premium Jul 2013 #182

So your sarcastic "When you testify" carries zero implication re: holding an opinion? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #190

So I'm the only one being sarcastic here, right? nt. premium Jul 2013 #194

Oh, mais non. But you are one of a few who adds nothing BUT. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #218

I will riverwalker Jul 2013 #180

Considering I was a premium Jul 2013 #184

then get used to people discussing riverwalker Jul 2013 #185

Where did I ever say they couldn't? nt. premium Jul 2013 #186

Then why keep adding sarcastic replies? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #191

However, he will have a life riverwalker Jul 2013 #195

Someone who has been watching right along might be able to answer this.... chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #160

good, question....I haven't heard anything....regards uponit7771 Jul 2013 #165

IIRC Trayvon's friend Rachel was talking about a bluetooth headset. JVS Jul 2013 #170

And that would make me even more suspicious of Zimmerman's account chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #177

How does Zimmerman know Martin had Blue tooth? Lurks Often Jul 2013 #197

Zimmerman didn't have an attorney at the reenactment because he was using the SYG law as his Gin Jul 2013 #163

LC - "...you were CHASING HIM!!..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #164

911 tape has NO MUFFLING before the shot!! Z Claims TM was covering his mouth uponit7771 Jul 2013 #167

Zimmmerman claimed Trayvon was smothering him RIGHT BEFORE he shot him. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #168

+1, Zimmerman - "....THAT DOESN'T EVEN SOUND LIKE ME!!!..." freakin wow!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #172

I told people to wait for the Serino testimony before they start judging the case. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #173

Serino IS the star, RJ was a head fake!! Nice going PA's uponit7771 Jul 2013 #179

exactly riverwalker Jul 2013 #176

Zimmerman claimed the screams weren't his! Nevernose Jul 2013 #199

Having heard Zimmerman speak, HockeyMom Jul 2013 #220

How about we just take Zimmerman's word for it? n/t Nevernose Jul 2013 #221

BOOM! Serino - "....I can't tell at what point he was smoothering you...." because if it was Z... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #171

trial resumes riverwalker Jul 2013 #183

This lawyer has, unfortunately, an Elmer Fudd impediment. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #187

Which one, De La Ronda (state) or O'Mara (defense)? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #193

O'Mara n/t Soundman Jul 2013 #204

"I see you are wearing a Cross" HockeyMom Jul 2013 #202

She answered that she was Christian, and he said well if you're polly7 Jul 2013 #205

The lawyer's statement was bizarre on the face of it. Plenty of Catholic soldiers, e.g. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #209

My question of the day concerns Zimmerman claiming he rolled down his car windows displacedtexan Jul 2013 #208

zimmerman's ever-changing story noiretextatique Jul 2013 #219