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Sheepshank

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50. Traitor? The US hasn't declared that at all.

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:24 PM

Jul 2013

unless you have info to back up that assertion.

Apparently and according to Lawrence O'Donnell the reason Snowden HASN'T been labelled a traitor is that he has not divulged privileged secret info to a nation with whom we are at war (requirements of being declared a traitor). Congress has not declared war with China, Russia or GB for that matter.

Perhpas you are attempting to help out Snowden by asserting he threw himself into the arms of another nation because there are other US citizens that don't agree with his actions and they are calling him a traitor...of course realizing that a citizens declaration doesn't actually make it so. So, how does the timeline on that one work when he left the country before his whistlblowin? Seriously, how is this traitor thing really supposed to work in the context of your post?

So if you have information instead of making up shit...I'd love to read about it.

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