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Douglas Carpenter

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67. it is not a smear - it is the truth. People obediently and relfexively snap into action when someone

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:26 PM

Jul 2013

challenges the power of the clandestine services. That is a fact. And now those who defend liberal and democratic values are the bad guys.

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I am Edward Snowden [View all] warrprayer Jul 2013 OP

Well we don't really know what would have happened to Snowden if he had stayed in the states el_bryanto Jul 2013 #1

(sigh) warrprayer Jul 2013 #6

Huh? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #82

Right now we are a Facist state with a shadow government Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #144

I have to agree maindawg Jul 2013 #153

Oh give me a break. He stole classified documents and gholtron Jul 2013 #156

I'm sure there are scads of Facists on Facebook. aquart Jul 2013 #192

Yes we do know. We saw the treatment of Bradley Manning, tortured and kept from speaking to anyone sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #133

He'd have been arrested treestar Jul 2013 #140

yeah... bobclark86 Jul 2013 #143

Baloney treestar Jul 2013 #148

Bullshit. bobclark86 Jul 2013 #176

Has he been found in Afghanistan? treestar Jul 2013 #183

Wow. bobclark86 Jul 2013 #186

Wow. treestar Jul 2013 #187

Please provide links to waterboarding on American soil. aquart Jul 2013 #191

Ah, so it IS OK to waterboard... bobclark86 Jul 2013 #193

So NO links to torture on American soil. aquart Jul 2013 #194

Yes, we do : ask Thomas Drake. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #154

Yes, obxhead Jul 2013 #165

No, we are not all Edward Snowden. blue neen Jul 2013 #2

I sure as hell ain't. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #46

Well, everyone wasn't Spartacus either. Not all had the courage. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #128

Yeah, takes a lot of courage to try to destroy America's relationships Kahuna Jul 2013 #180

Of course it does wtmusic Jul 2013 #189

The OP was over the top Gothmog Jul 2013 #160

Good for you, I'm not. Whisp Jul 2013 #3

How disgusting...comparing Edward Snowden to victims of lynching. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #4

how disgusting warrprayer Jul 2013 #8

You post an OP claiming 'lynching' but you don't want to take responsibility msanthrope Jul 2013 #13

see post 39 warrprayer Jul 2013 #50

He is , or would have been. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #164

+1...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #14

Remember, Sid...it's not about Eric Snowden. It's about Spartacus, now. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #23

I'm not Edward Snowden... tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #5

I get the message, regardless of how it's said. I'm pro-American dream. Gregorian Jul 2013 #7

it's amazing warrprayer Jul 2013 #9

Skepticism about Snowden's claims does not equal "defending totalitarianism" emulatorloo Jul 2013 #25

There are a number of posters who go beyond skepticism Maedhros Jul 2013 #149

It is rather breathtaking how when anyone challenges the clandestine apparatus- how quickly and how Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #10

You mean like this? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #15

yep if everyone would just obey the law then authority will nice to the people Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #24

MLK and Rosa Parks knew better about authority and DEALT with it. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #38

no one would even be questioning the direction the country is taking with an ever increasing Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58

Checks & Balances are what They've deleted .... orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #92

Tell that to... backscatter712 Jul 2013 #118

Excuse me. blue neen Jul 2013 #19

Still waiting. blue neen Jul 2013 #33

Psst. You need to look up "useful idiot." woo me with science Jul 2013 #35

I don't care if it has a political meaning. blue neen Jul 2013 #40

Oh, my word. woo me with science Jul 2013 #45

"Oh, my word" What? blue neen Jul 2013 #52

I honestly think that "the problem" for some is that you are thinking for yourself Number23 Jul 2013 #142

I believe that you are quite correct! blue neen Jul 2013 #172

Agree. That's some sneaky b.s. to get namecalling under the radar. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #47

Yeah, notice how it suddenly got changed. blue neen Jul 2013 #63

*PLONK* backscatter712 Jul 2013 #122

Oh noes! Not that! blue neen Jul 2013 #170

thanks for posting on this thread warrprayer Jul 2013 #69

Thank you. blue neen Jul 2013 #171

those who refliexively and obediently join the mob to silence anyone who sheds light on the reality Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #36

Sorry, not good enough. blue neen Jul 2013 #48

it is not a smear - it is the truth. People obediently and relfexively snap into action when someone Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #67

So, calling people on this thread "idiots" is not a smear. Sure. blue neen Jul 2013 #89

I don't need to name names. Their names are printed at the top of their posts for everyone to see Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #94

So, does that include everyone who didn't agree with the OP? blue neen Jul 2013 #103

no I wouldn't say that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #105

Skepticism about Snowden does not equal " defending totalitarianism" emulatorloo Jul 2013 #114

where we go from here - it to bring the Intelligence Industrial Complex under control. But no one Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #120

I am hoping the discussion will begin to shift soon emulatorloo Jul 2013 #132

Don't hold your breath. nt sibelian Jul 2013 #151

they called me a Libertine! warrprayer Jul 2013 #59

The swarm is out and trying to bait arguments to fill the thread with garbage. woo me with science Jul 2013 #75

+1 sibelian Jul 2013 #146

I said it before, and I'll say it again. woo me with science Jul 2013 #32

Smear machine? This guy has shot his own credibility to hell. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #44

This seems to fly right over the heads of the rabid BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #56

Our government is spying on us and all you can do is shoot the messenger? alarimer Jul 2013 #145

"Spying on us" CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #150

+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #155

And there it is!!!! BAM! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #173

Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #190

what scares me warrprayer Jul 2013 #60

Why would you be surprised at this? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #74

Trade trumps diplomacy siligut Jul 2013 #124

Orwellian propaganda assaults, relentless, lying, smearing Progressive dog Jul 2013 #126

Almost as quickly as those lacking the conviction of their own courage never LanternWaste Jul 2013 #152

thanks for proving my point Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #167

+1 sibelian Jul 2013 #158

Hey Ed! How's Moscow This Time of Year? Skraxx Jul 2013 #11

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #57

Excuse me... gcomeau Jul 2013 #12

The OP speaks for me. former9thward Jul 2013 #27

I'm sorry, did you actually just type that? gcomeau Jul 2013 #51

thanks warrprayer Jul 2013 #71

jaysus. would people please stop using lynching every fucking time cali Jul 2013 #16

not talking about how he is treated in the press warrprayer Jul 2013 #30

Character assassination is a more accurate term. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #125

The man took a job for the sole purpose of stealing from his employer. aquart Jul 2013 #141

Hitler, Mussolini AND lynching? bunnies Jul 2013 #17

... warrprayer Jul 2013 #26

Not quite. bunnies Jul 2013 #49

No I'm not that talented warrprayer Jul 2013 #72

Oh FFS... SidDithers Jul 2013 #18

Hi Sid! warrprayer Jul 2013 #34

This.... Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #83

And don't forget... SidDithers Jul 2013 #97

That's something dim Sarah would spew. Whisp Jul 2013 #129

+1. I find it hilarious that people are on the IN-TER-NET, complaining about Kahuna Jul 2013 #174

Yes! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #138

the NSA warrprayer Jul 2013 #101

Yes, I left out NSA defender1!! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #111

NOT Edward Snowden CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #20

Unrec for massive hyberbole. FSogol Jul 2013 #21

Sadly hyperbole is the engine that drives Modern DU emulatorloo Jul 2013 #31

If only we could harness the hyperbole, wailing, hand wringing, loose rhetoric, etc into a FSogol Jul 2013 #37

sadly warrprayer Jul 2013 #39

Too passive-agressive to insult me directly? FSogol Jul 2013 #66

"Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear"? warrprayer Jul 2013 #84

LOL. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #70

... warrprayer Jul 2013 #108

Well *I* tried poking fun at it and NO-ONE CARED. sibelian Jul 2013 #115

+1,000,000! nt Kahuna Jul 2013 #163

That is great, visiting China or Moscow tomorrow? Rex Jul 2013 #22

nope no ethics warrprayer Jul 2013 #42

and give US intel to the Chinese arely staircase Jul 2013 #185

Probably not, thanks all the same. Hekate Jul 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #29

Sorry, I'm not that stupid or selfish. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #41

WELCOME!!! warrprayer Jul 2013 #43

Anyone who is a thinking American is on Snowden's side eom. quinnox Jul 2013 #53

thanks and don't feed warrprayer Jul 2013 #55

Sorry, Not! I do not condone giving our NSA operational secrets to our adversaries.. Kahuna Jul 2013 #179

Not me. n/t zappaman Jul 2013 #54

hi Zappaman! warrprayer Jul 2013 #80

The true spirit of Frank Zappa! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #127

Is it, or is it not, "ABOUT SNOWDEN". You guys need to make up your minds. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #61

... warrprayer Jul 2013 #64

not to me. but what on earth makes you think that "us guys" all have the same opinion? cali Jul 2013 #68

Riiiight.. it's not about the sneaky snitch Snowden.. except Cha Jul 2013 #73

"snitching"? warrprayer Jul 2013 #76

Snitching to China and Russia. Cha Jul 2013 #79

don't forget warrprayer Jul 2013 #81

You guys conveniently leave out the part where he fled the country & revealed much more than..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #86

yes he revealed warrprayer Jul 2013 #107

And why would he do that? He's just making allegations at this point. Where's the proof? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #131

Google, Amazon and Facebook and my ISP know more about my communications than Kahuna Jul 2013 #178

It is about the power of the clandestine services and it just so happened to be Edward Snowden who Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #77

I think I'm gonna go get my old job back. Who knew I had so much power? DevonRex Jul 2013 #100

+1 CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #78

I'm Edward Snowden and so is my wife. sibelian Jul 2013 #90

??? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #96

um... sibelian Jul 2013 #110

Some say he's a child product of the C.I.A. who is trying to stir up civil unrest. SugarShack Jul 2013 #62

some people say warrprayer Jul 2013 #65

You read my mind! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #182

Speak for yourself. Snowden is a anti-America felonious criminal. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #85

HUAC warrprayer Jul 2013 #91

I'm not, can't afford to fly to Hong Kong Progressive dog Jul 2013 #87

It is silly only to the extent that it makes it sound simple siligut Jul 2013 #93

OKay Progressive dog Jul 2013 #99

I am starting to choke up at the overall reaction here warrprayer Jul 2013 #95

Bradley Manning was not a civilian Progressive dog Jul 2013 #112

I am a little bit siligut Jul 2013 #88

Sad warrprayer Jul 2013 #98

Thank you, yes it is alarming what is happening siligut Jul 2013 #109

Cool! This thread gives me the chance to update my ignore list! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #102

Actually I think it's a form of censorship warrprayer Jul 2013 #106

Huge K&R. The propaganda machine does not like threads like this. woo me with science Jul 2013 #104

So.. we're ALL lawbreakers? railsback Jul 2013 #113

Uncle Sam wants YOU warrprayer Jul 2013 #116

Wow, fantastic graphic. woo me with science Jul 2013 #119

More like: Galraedia Jul 2013 #121

... Kahuna Jul 2013 #177

Wayne Lapierre and Snowdick 2016! Galraedia Jul 2013 #123

Love it! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #136

Horseshit. n/t lamp_shade Jul 2013 #117

Well this is disturbing... Galraedia Jul 2013 #130

When have the authoritarians not been a cult? n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #134

Serious question dude, are you high? Galraedia Jul 2013 #137

I am NOT Edward Snowden. aquart Jul 2013 #135

*PLONK* backscatter712 Jul 2013 #181

I am Edward Snowden. And I will always have his back. Catherina Jul 2013 #139

Indeed and the CIA while we're at it. alarimer Jul 2013 #147

thank you for standing up for freedom. I guess it's not very popular these days in "liberal" circles Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #157

Au contraire. Don't fall for the desperate scenery. woo me with science Jul 2013 #166

Amen to that! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #162

Hear, hear. woo me with science Jul 2013 #168

All of it. The entire MIC needs to go Catherina Jul 2013 #169

Seriously? NOT I. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #159

I am not that moronic clown. nt Kahuna Jul 2013 #161

No thank you, I'm neither Libertarian, nor Paulbot, nor traitor. stevenleser Jul 2013 #175

serious shit indeed arely staircase Jul 2013 #184

"Lynch"? "Disappear"? jazzimov Jul 2013 #188

I am Edward Snowden warrprayer Jul 2013 #195