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maindawg

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153. I have to agree

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 07:12 PM

Jul 2013

it seems that we are like the frog in the pot.
I have to admit, I do not understand what Ed Snowden is doing, but it does not look like he really thought this thing through. I think he should shock the world and become a hero by simply coming back to America, and challenging the justice department. I am sure he would get the very best attorney and advice. I would think his problem though , is the documents. He has to return them.
I mean, we are talking about some kind of permanent ruling body who's identity is unknown.. One that operates in broad daylight. As if the billionaires were those people. Are these the ones we do not speak of ? Did Ed Snowden steal their master plan ?
And if so, do these people who we do not speak of have a rival ?

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I am Edward Snowden [View all] warrprayer Jul 2013 OP

Well we don't really know what would have happened to Snowden if he had stayed in the states el_bryanto Jul 2013 #1

(sigh) warrprayer Jul 2013 #6

Huh? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #82

Right now we are a Facist state with a shadow government Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #144

I have to agree maindawg Jul 2013 #153

Oh give me a break. He stole classified documents and gholtron Jul 2013 #156

I'm sure there are scads of Facists on Facebook. aquart Jul 2013 #192

Yes we do know. We saw the treatment of Bradley Manning, tortured and kept from speaking to anyone sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #133

He'd have been arrested treestar Jul 2013 #140

yeah... bobclark86 Jul 2013 #143

Baloney treestar Jul 2013 #148

Bullshit. bobclark86 Jul 2013 #176

Has he been found in Afghanistan? treestar Jul 2013 #183

Wow. bobclark86 Jul 2013 #186

Wow. treestar Jul 2013 #187

Please provide links to waterboarding on American soil. aquart Jul 2013 #191

Ah, so it IS OK to waterboard... bobclark86 Jul 2013 #193

So NO links to torture on American soil. aquart Jul 2013 #194

Yes, we do : ask Thomas Drake. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #154

Yes, obxhead Jul 2013 #165

No, we are not all Edward Snowden. blue neen Jul 2013 #2

I sure as hell ain't. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #46

Well, everyone wasn't Spartacus either. Not all had the courage. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #128

Yeah, takes a lot of courage to try to destroy America's relationships Kahuna Jul 2013 #180

Of course it does wtmusic Jul 2013 #189

The OP was over the top Gothmog Jul 2013 #160

Good for you, I'm not. Whisp Jul 2013 #3

How disgusting...comparing Edward Snowden to victims of lynching. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #4

how disgusting warrprayer Jul 2013 #8

You post an OP claiming 'lynching' but you don't want to take responsibility msanthrope Jul 2013 #13

see post 39 warrprayer Jul 2013 #50

He is , or would have been. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #164

+1...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #14

Remember, Sid...it's not about Eric Snowden. It's about Spartacus, now. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #23

I'm not Edward Snowden... tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #5

I get the message, regardless of how it's said. I'm pro-American dream. Gregorian Jul 2013 #7

it's amazing warrprayer Jul 2013 #9

Skepticism about Snowden's claims does not equal "defending totalitarianism" emulatorloo Jul 2013 #25

There are a number of posters who go beyond skepticism Maedhros Jul 2013 #149

It is rather breathtaking how when anyone challenges the clandestine apparatus- how quickly and how Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #10

You mean like this? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #15

yep if everyone would just obey the law then authority will nice to the people Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #24

MLK and Rosa Parks knew better about authority and DEALT with it. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #38

no one would even be questioning the direction the country is taking with an ever increasing Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #58

Checks & Balances are what They've deleted .... orpupilofnature57 Jul 2013 #92

Tell that to... backscatter712 Jul 2013 #118

Excuse me. blue neen Jul 2013 #19

Still waiting. blue neen Jul 2013 #33

Psst. You need to look up "useful idiot." woo me with science Jul 2013 #35

I don't care if it has a political meaning. blue neen Jul 2013 #40

Oh, my word. woo me with science Jul 2013 #45

"Oh, my word" What? blue neen Jul 2013 #52

I honestly think that "the problem" for some is that you are thinking for yourself Number23 Jul 2013 #142

I believe that you are quite correct! blue neen Jul 2013 #172

Agree. That's some sneaky b.s. to get namecalling under the radar. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #47

Yeah, notice how it suddenly got changed. blue neen Jul 2013 #63

*PLONK* backscatter712 Jul 2013 #122

Oh noes! Not that! blue neen Jul 2013 #170

thanks for posting on this thread warrprayer Jul 2013 #69

Thank you. blue neen Jul 2013 #171

those who refliexively and obediently join the mob to silence anyone who sheds light on the reality Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #36

Sorry, not good enough. blue neen Jul 2013 #48

it is not a smear - it is the truth. People obediently and relfexively snap into action when someone Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #67

So, calling people on this thread "idiots" is not a smear. Sure. blue neen Jul 2013 #89

I don't need to name names. Their names are printed at the top of their posts for everyone to see Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #94

So, does that include everyone who didn't agree with the OP? blue neen Jul 2013 #103

no I wouldn't say that Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #105

Skepticism about Snowden does not equal " defending totalitarianism" emulatorloo Jul 2013 #114

where we go from here - it to bring the Intelligence Industrial Complex under control. But no one Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #120

I am hoping the discussion will begin to shift soon emulatorloo Jul 2013 #132

Don't hold your breath. nt sibelian Jul 2013 #151

they called me a Libertine! warrprayer Jul 2013 #59

The swarm is out and trying to bait arguments to fill the thread with garbage. woo me with science Jul 2013 #75

+1 sibelian Jul 2013 #146

I said it before, and I'll say it again. woo me with science Jul 2013 #32

Smear machine? This guy has shot his own credibility to hell. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #44

This seems to fly right over the heads of the rabid BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #56

Our government is spying on us and all you can do is shoot the messenger? alarimer Jul 2013 #145

"Spying on us" CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #150

+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #155

And there it is!!!! BAM! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #173

Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #190

what scares me warrprayer Jul 2013 #60

Why would you be surprised at this? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #74

Trade trumps diplomacy siligut Jul 2013 #124

Orwellian propaganda assaults, relentless, lying, smearing Progressive dog Jul 2013 #126

Almost as quickly as those lacking the conviction of their own courage never LanternWaste Jul 2013 #152

thanks for proving my point Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #167

+1 sibelian Jul 2013 #158

Hey Ed! How's Moscow This Time of Year? Skraxx Jul 2013 #11

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #57

Excuse me... gcomeau Jul 2013 #12

The OP speaks for me. former9thward Jul 2013 #27

I'm sorry, did you actually just type that? gcomeau Jul 2013 #51

thanks warrprayer Jul 2013 #71

jaysus. would people please stop using lynching every fucking time cali Jul 2013 #16

not talking about how he is treated in the press warrprayer Jul 2013 #30

Character assassination is a more accurate term. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #125

The man took a job for the sole purpose of stealing from his employer. aquart Jul 2013 #141

Hitler, Mussolini AND lynching? bunnies Jul 2013 #17

... warrprayer Jul 2013 #26

Not quite. bunnies Jul 2013 #49

No I'm not that talented warrprayer Jul 2013 #72

Oh FFS... SidDithers Jul 2013 #18

Hi Sid! warrprayer Jul 2013 #34

This.... Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #83

And don't forget... SidDithers Jul 2013 #97

That's something dim Sarah would spew. Whisp Jul 2013 #129

+1. I find it hilarious that people are on the IN-TER-NET, complaining about Kahuna Jul 2013 #174

Yes! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #138

the NSA warrprayer Jul 2013 #101

Yes, I left out NSA defender1!! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #111

NOT Edward Snowden CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #20

Unrec for massive hyberbole. FSogol Jul 2013 #21

Sadly hyperbole is the engine that drives Modern DU emulatorloo Jul 2013 #31

If only we could harness the hyperbole, wailing, hand wringing, loose rhetoric, etc into a FSogol Jul 2013 #37

sadly warrprayer Jul 2013 #39

Too passive-agressive to insult me directly? FSogol Jul 2013 #66

"Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear"? warrprayer Jul 2013 #84

LOL. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #70

... warrprayer Jul 2013 #108

Well *I* tried poking fun at it and NO-ONE CARED. sibelian Jul 2013 #115

+1,000,000! nt Kahuna Jul 2013 #163

That is great, visiting China or Moscow tomorrow? Rex Jul 2013 #22

nope no ethics warrprayer Jul 2013 #42

and give US intel to the Chinese arely staircase Jul 2013 #185

Probably not, thanks all the same. Hekate Jul 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #29

Sorry, I'm not that stupid or selfish. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #41

WELCOME!!! warrprayer Jul 2013 #43

Anyone who is a thinking American is on Snowden's side eom. quinnox Jul 2013 #53

thanks and don't feed warrprayer Jul 2013 #55

Sorry, Not! I do not condone giving our NSA operational secrets to our adversaries.. Kahuna Jul 2013 #179

Not me. n/t zappaman Jul 2013 #54

hi Zappaman! warrprayer Jul 2013 #80

The true spirit of Frank Zappa! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #127

Is it, or is it not, "ABOUT SNOWDEN". You guys need to make up your minds. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #61

... warrprayer Jul 2013 #64

not to me. but what on earth makes you think that "us guys" all have the same opinion? cali Jul 2013 #68

Riiiight.. it's not about the sneaky snitch Snowden.. except Cha Jul 2013 #73

"snitching"? warrprayer Jul 2013 #76

Snitching to China and Russia. Cha Jul 2013 #79

don't forget warrprayer Jul 2013 #81

You guys conveniently leave out the part where he fled the country & revealed much more than..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #86

yes he revealed warrprayer Jul 2013 #107

And why would he do that? He's just making allegations at this point. Where's the proof? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #131

Google, Amazon and Facebook and my ISP know more about my communications than Kahuna Jul 2013 #178

It is about the power of the clandestine services and it just so happened to be Edward Snowden who Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #77

I think I'm gonna go get my old job back. Who knew I had so much power? DevonRex Jul 2013 #100

+1 CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #78

I'm Edward Snowden and so is my wife. sibelian Jul 2013 #90

??? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #96

um... sibelian Jul 2013 #110

Some say he's a child product of the C.I.A. who is trying to stir up civil unrest. SugarShack Jul 2013 #62

some people say warrprayer Jul 2013 #65

You read my mind! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #182

Speak for yourself. Snowden is a anti-America felonious criminal. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #85

HUAC warrprayer Jul 2013 #91

I'm not, can't afford to fly to Hong Kong Progressive dog Jul 2013 #87

It is silly only to the extent that it makes it sound simple siligut Jul 2013 #93

OKay Progressive dog Jul 2013 #99

I am starting to choke up at the overall reaction here warrprayer Jul 2013 #95

Bradley Manning was not a civilian Progressive dog Jul 2013 #112

I am a little bit siligut Jul 2013 #88

Sad warrprayer Jul 2013 #98

Thank you, yes it is alarming what is happening siligut Jul 2013 #109

Cool! This thread gives me the chance to update my ignore list! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #102

Actually I think it's a form of censorship warrprayer Jul 2013 #106

Huge K&R. The propaganda machine does not like threads like this. woo me with science Jul 2013 #104

So.. we're ALL lawbreakers? railsback Jul 2013 #113

Uncle Sam wants YOU warrprayer Jul 2013 #116

Wow, fantastic graphic. woo me with science Jul 2013 #119

More like: Galraedia Jul 2013 #121

... Kahuna Jul 2013 #177

Wayne Lapierre and Snowdick 2016! Galraedia Jul 2013 #123

Love it! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #136

Horseshit. n/t lamp_shade Jul 2013 #117

Well this is disturbing... Galraedia Jul 2013 #130

When have the authoritarians not been a cult? n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #134

Serious question dude, are you high? Galraedia Jul 2013 #137

I am NOT Edward Snowden. aquart Jul 2013 #135

*PLONK* backscatter712 Jul 2013 #181

I am Edward Snowden. And I will always have his back. Catherina Jul 2013 #139

Indeed and the CIA while we're at it. alarimer Jul 2013 #147

thank you for standing up for freedom. I guess it's not very popular these days in "liberal" circles Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #157

Au contraire. Don't fall for the desperate scenery. woo me with science Jul 2013 #166

Amen to that! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #162

Hear, hear. woo me with science Jul 2013 #168

All of it. The entire MIC needs to go Catherina Jul 2013 #169

Seriously? NOT I. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #159

I am not that moronic clown. nt Kahuna Jul 2013 #161

No thank you, I'm neither Libertarian, nor Paulbot, nor traitor. stevenleser Jul 2013 #175

serious shit indeed arely staircase Jul 2013 #184

"Lynch"? "Disappear"? jazzimov Jul 2013 #188

I am Edward Snowden warrprayer Jul 2013 #195