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In reply to the discussion: I'm gobsmacked that this post seems to be necessary: A Presentation of Godwin's Law: [View all]jtuck004
(15,882 posts)73. "Greek philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle actually used a wider notion of analogy.
They saw analogy as a shared abstraction.[6] Analogous objects did not share necessarily a relation, but also an idea, a pattern, a regularity, an attribute, an effect or a philosophy. These authors also accepted that comparisons, metaphors and "images" (allegories) could be used as arguments, and sometimes they called them analogies. Analogies should also make those abstractions easier to understand and give confidence to the ones using them."
One source here: here.
So I guess some people might look at that and give credence to the poster, for using an apt analogy. If they think the Shield and Sword patch fits, of course.
Oh, and from the same link you posted - I know we are limited as to what a poster can excerpt, but it seems like a couple of paragraphs were left out of the above post that might be important.,
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose their argument or credibility, Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes"
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See, it points out that throwing out Godwin's law as anything more than a device to make conversation more civil around a coffee table or computer bulletin board can frequently be something else than authoritarian.
and, and
Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written.[11]
Not that using it invalidates your argument, he just doesn't want the comparison to be done without thought.
I would agree that people should be thoughtful in their postings.
This isn't a law against using the terms which make up the wide variety of authoritarian analogies and mythologies, (unless one wants to cut off argument, like that Bashar al-Assad guy in Syria, which brings us to another analogy, eh?). It is a teaching tool, a "rhetorical" device to prompt you to consider with some thought the comparison you are making.
That didn't seem clear in the first posting.
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I'm gobsmacked that this post seems to be necessary: A Presentation of Godwin's Law: [View all]
baldguy
Jul 2013
OP
they don't violate the letter, but certainly the spirit of Godwin's Law.
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#11
The American state continues to imprison many people without trial in Guantanamo
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2013
#128
I'll be gobsmacked. I thought we were talking about using the word NAZI to describe today.
Octafish
Jul 2013
#96
Hell, even from your post I can tell that the moon landing was, in fact, hand-drawn
siligut
Jul 2013
#113
"quisling" can be used without any Nazi connections, at least, Merriam-Webster thinks so
quinnox
Jul 2013
#14
See how much we really agree on. But we hiss & spit at each other like cats
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#84
LOL, If you don't agree with meeeeeeeeee, you are a pro-authoritarian totalitarian supporting the
FSogol
Jul 2013
#26
Abu Ghraib was closed in 2006. Pres Obama has been trying to close Gitmo since he got into office.
baldguy
Jul 2013
#69
A concentration camp also isn't a death camp. Those were next door, in some cases.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#66
Concentration camps in Nazi Germany were an integral part of a industrialized infrustructure
baldguy
Jul 2013
#82
My assertions aren't assertions. They're rock-solid facts, not subject to debate.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#132
So, you accept 1930s Nazi propaganda on whether they were "concentration camps" vs "death camps"
baldguy
Jul 2013
#138
I don't accept Nazi propaganda, and I don't accept US government propaganda
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#139
Now I find out I'm arguing with someone at the picture book level. Jesus Christ.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#141
So, in the "concentration camps" killing people was just a secondary function?
baldguy
Jul 2013
#143
Typical Paulbot. You see Nazis everywhere & think everything can be solved with money.
baldguy
Jul 2013
#145
If your "concentration camps" weren't designed to kill people, then why did they have gas chambers?
baldguy
Jul 2013
#149
Here you go: 20 links proving my assertion is correct, and that you're not
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#167
"... it is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
baldguy
Jul 2013
#170
Looks like Baldguy tried a frivolous alert after losing the argument. Again, he failed.
appal_jack
Jul 2013
#151
I seriously do have a clue. Birkenau=Auschwitz II. Read all about it.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#120
Goebbels actually learned propaganda from an American in the Hoover Administration.
Fuddnik
Jul 2013
#40
what the nazis did was legal according to their self made laws. comparing status to status is not a
msongs
Jul 2013
#42
Quislings, lackeys, collaborators, trying to take a short-cut to shut down discussion.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#48
The piece of internet tomfoolery called Godwin's 'law' serves the Nazis and should
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#55
Pretty much. If a friend giving me a ride is doing 75 mph and accelerating...
Demo_Chris
Jul 2013
#108
baldguy, You previously said: "If it goose-steps like a duck, & "Seig Heils" like a duck..."
Melinda
Jul 2013
#56
Barack Obama is not Adolf Hitler. And Barack Obama is not George W Bush, either.
baldguy
Jul 2013
#102
Umm, wrong on this count too. You'll not find a post from me disparging President Obama.
Melinda
Jul 2013
#105
Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#63
"Greek philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle actually used a wider notion of analogy.
jtuck004
Jul 2013
#73
I saw a "good German" post from a renowned imbecile here. Those posts are my absolute favorite after
Number23
Jul 2013
#87
Godwin's law is not a law. It is an assertion which folks are free to take or leave
TheKentuckian
Jul 2013
#110
I agree with your OP. But are you saying there is "never" a time to use the comparison?
Lint Head
Jul 2013
#111
The irony of this self-righteous post is that Godwin's law is merely a claim of probability.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#114
uh...Godwin's "Law" isn't a scientific law, it's just a clever, memorable way to express something
yurbud
Jul 2013
#131
Godwin's Law is complete and utter bollocks, used by weak-minded people that can't win an argument..
truebrit71
Jul 2013
#133
This from the guy who called me a whacked out corporatist Paulite libertarian or something.
Pholus
Jul 2013
#152
What does the observation that in online discussions, Nazi-comparisons will inevitably be made
Democracyinkind
Jul 2013
#153
It's a corollary to Godwin's Law that was added over time. It's nonsense.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2013
#162
as it stands, it's really nothing more than a very trendy, very popular internet meme
LanternWaste
Jul 2013
#166