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16. Zimmerman should be found guilty

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Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:13 PM

Jul 2013

and then go to prison, where some black folk probably won't be giving him much of a welcome.

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Its now safe to say...there was never a case against Zimmerman. [View all] BigD_95 Jul 2013 OP

Hmmm, so a citizen decides, by racial profiling he can act like a cop, that makes it ok. Thanks still_one Jul 2013 #1

IMO, the bereaved family will only find justice in a civil court. Here are those who should pay: KittyWampus Jul 2013 #13

The police dispatcher? A poor working stiff who used different phrasing than virgogal Jul 2013 #58

I had no idea the dispatcher was a civilian. Unlike most DU'ers I'm not glued to this case. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #193

FWIW naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #78

He didn't. Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #110

thanks, I have not been following closely. However, protocol should be "stay put, stay safe". KittyWampus Jul 2013 #121

I think the transcript of Serino's interrogation makes it clear Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #126

you cant sue the dispatcher backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #139

"civilian volunteer"? Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. Where did you get your information? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #198

already... handmade34 Jul 2013 #178

Thank You. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #191

About the police dispatcher... SlipperySlope Jul 2013 #187

Thank You. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #192

The HOA already settled. Nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #219

Example of forming an opinion not based on facts. Please state the evidence showing he Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #25

Calling him a f**king punk. Do you believe he would have referred to a white guy as that? still_one Jul 2013 #82

when I lived in Detroit backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #140

calling someone a punk is now a racial slur? backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #141

Of course! "Punk" is a totally non-racial term for young men (and sometimes women) who Nay Jul 2013 #175

On one of the tapes of Zimmermans dispacher phone call it can be heard lumpy Jul 2013 #95

Where is the evidence that Martin used racial derogatory terms ? Zimmermans lumpy Jul 2013 #109

punk, not coon drhobo Jul 2013 #167

he called him a c**n. i don't know why there is a concerted effort to pretend he only said HiPointDem Jul 2013 #151

It depends. If his father is a retired judge and his g-father worked for the CIA, the answer is yes. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #55

where did you hear a claim that his g-father was cia? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #153

"Zimmerman's grandfather connected to the CIA - this explains why the murderer is not in jail" AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #169

as i recall there was some discussion of this when the case initially hit the media & it was HiPointDem Jul 2013 #194

Are you saying that another good story has been ruined by the facts? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #196

nyt reported zimmerman's grandpa was in army intelligence -- just that, without further HiPointDem Jul 2013 #199

I have read a lot of posts that Jenoch Jul 2013 #68

Just curious, do you think he would have assumed Martin was a "punk" if he was white? Just like cab still_one Jul 2013 #85

I don't think the word 'punk' Jenoch Jul 2013 #100

Punk actually has a sexual connotation marshall Jul 2013 #101

I always thought it meant a kid up to Jenoch Jul 2013 #107

Here are some references marshall Jul 2013 #119

Do you think Zimmerman Jenoch Jul 2013 #133

Unfortunately people don't read much anymore marshall Jul 2013 #162

I don't think that feckless and pusillanimous clown got past Dr Seuss... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #172

I'm curious about the regional aspect of Tien1985 Jul 2013 #123

I've seen a reference of Jack Kerouac using it as a synonym for gay marshall Jul 2013 #125

What are you basing that off of? Pelican Jul 2013 #147

I agree marshall Jul 2013 #163

Point taken... Pelican Jul 2013 #166

'more recently' = circa 1920. it's not used that way currently. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #157

it was the "hoodie", but regardless that could be argued either way also. In addition, Zimmerman still_one Jul 2013 #104

Zimmerman was not told not to pursue. Jenoch Jul 2013 #117

Alert for trouble is different than looking for trouble, that is what I meant still_one Jul 2013 #120

"Zimmerman was not told not to pursue." Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #127

I have read where Zimmerman agreed Jenoch Jul 2013 #134

I believe they played that portion of the Serino interrogation today Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #137

"If you have some information to the contrary..." Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #114

Now THIS guy is a Punk FrodosPet Jul 2013 #135

this thread is the first time in my 48 years backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #142

It is when said by a bigot with gun about to shoot an unarmed black kid. Hoyt Jul 2013 #189

Even thepolice oficer on the stand felt it wasnt racial profiling BigD_95 Jul 2013 #161

LOL, yes, I always trust the police. Gullible much? n-t Logical Jul 2013 #202

Wow. You are totally WRONG. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #2

Correct. Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #3

+1,000 n/t malaise Jul 2013 #10

I'm afraid you've not been listening to the witnesses. A witness testified it was TM on top Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #27

It was Zimmerman that attended mixed martial arts (MMA) three times a week, not TM Tx4obama Jul 2013 #45

and the police knew that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin not the other way around. nt Lex Jul 2013 #66

Yeah, that would've been irritating to TM, as he said to his friend on the phone. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #76

You are allowed to defend yourself if someone else is an imminent threat. If you are in fear Lex Jul 2013 #80

I'm pretty sure the other person has to directly threaten you, like point a gun or something. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #200

If Trayvon saw Zimmerman's gun, he damn sure had a right to hit Lex Jul 2013 #207

That, I don't know. I don't know what the law is on that, in FL. But first... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #218

That is not true. Rachel, the girl on the phone, did NOT say that. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #105

not the first time either HiPointDem Jul 2013 #154

because Rachel said Trayvon was at the house drhobo Jul 2013 #168

Yes...who hit who first is very important. A guy following another guy, and the 2nd guy getting Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #203

The account I read said that TM told her, angrily, that a cracker was following him. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #201

That may be. But the FACT is that there is an eyewitness who has testified it was TM on top. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #70

Principle should be (hope it is)"clean hands". truebluegreen Jul 2013 #91

you make stuff up, so please don't lecture people about evidence. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #155

And there is a witness who says the opposite. nt Lex Jul 2013 #65

No, there is not. There is only one eyewitness to the fight. The neighbor who opened his door... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #72

Have all the witnesses testified? Lex Jul 2013 #74

all that saw anything significant drhobo Jul 2013 #170

Not the testimony dpibel Jul 2013 #97

I don't think Z was overweight at the time of the shooting Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #118

He was technically obese at the time of the shooting drhobo Jul 2013 #171

He didn't look overweight the night of the crime. He's gained over 100 #'s since then. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #243

Oh FFS rufus dog Jul 2013 #130

he's overweight now, he wasn't then. and other witnesses said different. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #152

It is flat out not possible to pummel someone and not get their DNA all over you eridani Jul 2013 #180

It doesn't fucking matter who was in "MMA TRAINING". It matters who has seen an MMA fight. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #64

I'm no Zimmerman defender Jenoch Jul 2013 #73

There were two moderately significant inconsistencies Tx4obama Jul 2013 #113

Also Tx4obama Jul 2013 #116

And the person who had the other in an MMA hold and such skills is the one with the busted nose dkf Jul 2013 #106

his nose wasn't busted. it's obvious that it wasn't from the pictures days after the incident. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #156

Interesting list of who is telling you you are wrong. Only missing a couple. uppityperson Jul 2013 #108

He is a stalker and a murderer, but he probably will go free... immoderate Jul 2013 #4

Actually, GZ wasn't breaking the law in following TM. It's yet to be decided if he's a murderer. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #28

ok we get it CatWoman Jul 2013 #30

She needs time to get her robes back from the cleaners. LeftyMom Jul 2013 #136

Right. Antagonizing is legal. And when attacked, you can freely shoot the n*****! immoderate Jul 2013 #41

and what about those magic bushes Trayvon leapt out of CatWoman Jul 2013 #42

The irony is strong with this one Azathoth Jul 2013 #158

I do. But I think the system works as well as we'll get. immoderate Jul 2013 #190

Well, this one should be fun to watch tularetom Jul 2013 #5

Have you read the transcripts or listened to the audio recordings? justiceischeap Jul 2013 #6

Sorry, but his story has been consistent, with only minor inconsistencies. Everything points Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #34

Using a lawyer or not using a lawyer does NOT go to credibility or guilt/innocence. pnwmom Jul 2013 #43

That's not true, really. He didn't just give one statement. He gave two, and then allowed videotapin Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #215

I think the police bungled the case right from the beginning, pnwmom Jul 2013 #221

So what? I can tell the same lie to save my skin, too. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #210

Not really. Cops will tell you...someone telling the truth will have minor inconsistencies Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #216

Well, okay, then. But Z has claimed both that TM said, "You got me!" AND that he, Z, was unaware if WinkyDink Jul 2013 #222

The jury can find that GZ is lying and uncredible. Or that he is telling the truth. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #223

He IDENTIFIES with the cops.....of course, he's going to willingly talk to them. Th1onein Jul 2013 #230

That is irrelevant to the fact that he willingly put his version of events on tape & video.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #233

It's very relevant, on the contrary. Th1onein Jul 2013 #236

No, I'm afraid you're not listening to the evidence. TM was angry that he was being followed.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #244

SMH notadmblnd Jul 2013 #7

Mmm... RedSpartan Jul 2013 #8

Whut. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #9

Such a huge bucket of FAIL. NightWatcher Jul 2013 #11

You are so wrong. bravenak Jul 2013 #12

If TM assaulted him, he was justified in defending himself. There's no evid. he intended to kill him Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #40

The evidence he intended to kill him is that he shot him through the heart. pnwmom Jul 2013 #47

Not to nitpick... Abq_Sarah Jul 2013 #138

That's at a distance. He shot Trayvon at point blank range. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #144

Wow. Just Saying Jul 2013 #49

you're very generous in your description of "poorly" CatWoman Jul 2013 #51

And every other Trayvon thread. Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #54

perhaps he wants to see his donations to Zimmerman's defense fund CatWoman Jul 2013 #57

Perhaps, Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #62

Just trying to stay within the rules. Just Saying Jul 2013 #56

If Martin was defending himself from a stranger pursing him... krispos42 Jul 2013 #71

"...what choice did he have but to try to grab it before his stalker could?" Jenoch Jul 2013 #94

It's still murder. bravenak Jul 2013 #77

2 syllables, the first is BULL jazzimov Jul 2013 #14

What a bunch of bullshit. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #15

+1 handmade34 Jul 2013 #183

Zimmerman should be found guilty quinnox Jul 2013 #16

As opposed to what? RZM Jul 2013 #132

Excuse me, what trial are you watching? Ilsa Jul 2013 #17

He was watching the same one I was watching. I don't think you're watching it. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #44

I didn't say he committed second degree murder, but Ilsa Jul 2013 #81

I'm not convinced, either. I'm thinking maybe criminal negligence? Or something like that. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #89

Loaded, safety off, was my understanding. nt Ilsa Jul 2013 #92

The weapon is designed to be carried that way safely. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #149

Is there corroborating evidence that Ilsa Jul 2013 #177

No. There is contradicting testimony..... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #182

Just GZ's account of that, as far as I know. TM's not here to give his version. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #204

Thank goodness there are trials. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #159

Whatever happened, he didn't intend to kill TM. Thank goodness there are trials, for sure. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #205

Yeah, right. Gemini Cat Jul 2013 #18

So, were YOU there? Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #19

AND CatWoman Jul 2013 #20

All of the evidence hasn't been presented yet. pintobean Jul 2013 #21

I agree. I'm not prepared to declare him not guilty. But we're finding out things that are new. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #46

Damn near everything so far pintobean Jul 2013 #53

Apparently Zimmerman's legal defense fund went to hiring sockpuppets on message boards. nt killbotfactory Jul 2013 #22

LOL gollygee Jul 2013 #38

Poor Use Of Funds If You Ask Me HangOnKids Jul 2013 #96

DUzy! Th1onein Jul 2013 #231

Yet another billh58 Jul 2013 #23

+1 gollygee Jul 2013 #36

GZ wasn't breaking the law when he was carrying a weapon and calling someone in to the cops Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #50

Yeah, we get it billh58 Jul 2013 #59

+1000 CatWoman Jul 2013 #61

+ a billion. bravenak Jul 2013 #86

^^ THIS ^^ Dawgs Jul 2013 #184

Prepare to be shocked when the verdict comes in, is all I can say. nt DeschutesRiver Jul 2013 #24

FAIL. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #26

Well... I suppose... opiate69 Jul 2013 #29

As a ranter this is a sad Freeper Fail! Begone troll!-NT Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #31

Pathetic. yardwork Jul 2013 #32

From watching CNN it seems so Renew Deal Jul 2013 #33

They also called it that Casey Anthony would be found 100% unanimously guilty. Jamastiene Jul 2013 #186

Baloney. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #35

hunt kid down, shoot him elehhhhna Jul 2013 #37

I think he was guilty but the police made deliberate choices to shelter him. pnwmom Jul 2013 #39

Thanks for the laugh. nt Lex Jul 2013 #48

WTF? I think you forgot the sarcasm tag. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #52

THE CASE BECAME A CONCRETE ONE THE MOMENT HE PULLED THE TRIGGER. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #60

What a bunch of Bollocks..he's a child killer.. HipChick Jul 2013 #63

Oh FFS. Apophis Jul 2013 #67

Ollie, Ollie Oxen Free CatWoman Jul 2013 #69

It is highly controversial and silly to pretend it's safe to conclude anything treestar Jul 2013 #75

Horseshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #79

Nice hit and run OP... not. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #83

it's cowardly Lex Jul 2013 #84

like all gun humpers Skittles Jul 2013 #90

Trashing this very racist thread. Welcome to IGNORE. Enjoy replying to yourself. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #87

UTTER BULLSHIT Skittles Jul 2013 #88

Yoo Hoo! Where are u? bravenak Jul 2013 #93

Hey, I recognize you BainsBane Jul 2013 #98

Another gun humper fail RetroLounge Jul 2013 #99

Dafuq? WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #102

Another reliable witness claims she witnessed the person on top, during lumpy Jul 2013 #103

didn't look to good for him today nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #111

Kewl story bro! Rex Jul 2013 #112

Off to ignore you go Marrah_G Jul 2013 #115

it's not safe to say it's now safe to say. spanone Jul 2013 #122

Zimmerman may be guilty.... Calista241 Jul 2013 #124

The Results Are In? If Not HangOnKids Jul 2013 #143

hey Big D Enrique Jul 2013 #128

Bullshit talks, Zimmerman walks. HolyMoley Jul 2013 #129

No *reasonable* defense BellaKos Jul 2013 #131

The videos today didn't help either LittleBlue Jul 2013 #145

They were forced to take a case they couldn't win marshall Jul 2013 #165

Uh-oh Azathoth Jul 2013 #146

Zimmerman is in front of a jury of his peers AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #148

it's not a bit clear. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #150

He STALKED and SHOT and KILLED an UNARMED MAN. Rosco T. Jul 2013 #160

I would convict him of manslaughter, even with the evidence presented (maybe murder too)... Sancho Jul 2013 #164

He had a gun with the safety off. naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #220

What is lost on many... NCTraveler Jul 2013 #173

Let's start with the ultimate fact and then move backwards: Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #174

I think JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #181

Was he aquitted? nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #176

Only if you're on the jury loyalsister Jul 2013 #179

What the hell?? OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #185

feel better? CatWoman Jul 2013 #197

I'm fine, but if you're someone who OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #228

Kind of like you billh58 Jul 2013 #208

I haven't ASSUMED anything OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #225

What I find interesting are the posters who think like you. Same old, same old. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #213

Who think like me? OwnedByCats Jul 2013 #226

Much as when Zimmerman assumed he could get away with financial fraud. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #240

I've noticed a lot of Z defenders are doing so due to personal experiences apples and oranges Jul 2013 #235

Zimmerman hunted down an unarmed law-abiding kid and shot him - dead jpak Jul 2013 #188

It's a sad day when you can't walk to a friend's house... allin99 Jul 2013 #195

Even if he is found innocent of criminal charges... roamer65 Jul 2013 #206

"You were not there." Neither were the jurors. Duh. And we are watching the same trial they are. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #209

huh? that is the stupidest thing I ever heard Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #211

There was testimony devastating to GZ's case today shawn703 Jul 2013 #212

I'm sorry to say that you have been completely fooled by all the bullshit out there. AverageJoe90 Jul 2013 #214

BigD... I Give You A BigF... ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #217

sad to say, I am no longer shocked. There are people here on DU who desperately want to CTyankee Jul 2013 #224

You are wrong. Dead ass wrong, in fact. Th1onein Jul 2013 #227

With an affirmative defense, reasonable doubt DOES apply to the prosecution Shrek Jul 2013 #237

This is a PROPOSED amendment. You are aware of that? Th1onein Jul 2013 #238

According to the article, the proposal is just a clarification of existing language Shrek Jul 2013 #241

There was never a case for MURDER II, but my understnading of FL law BlueStreak Jul 2013 #229

Armed man shoots unarmed man = MURDER B Calm Jul 2013 #232

Whether he is a racist or not is irrelevant. He still stalked and killed an unarmed teen apples and oranges Jul 2013 #234

Were that the case, it does seem to beg the question LanternWaste Jul 2013 #239

I don't think there is any doubt that charge were filed... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #242