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Savannahmann

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139. Tell that to the other party

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:13 PM

Jul 2013

Because they will certainly have one. Yes, you have the right to an attorney during a civil trial. Civil trials are where we won most of the civil rights we are outraged are being violated now. Lawyers took unpopular cases, and argued them to the Supreme Court, to get our civil rights. You can't deny someone a lawyer, and you can't blame the lawyer for arguing the case. That is their job. They are supposed to represent their clients to the best of their ability. Not all of them are able to argue Jones V. Mayer Co. But all of them will argue to the best of their ability. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=392&invol=409

Most lawyers will turn cases away that have a sigma, but most will take the case, because there is a constitutional duty, an oath to represent their clients. Now, you might not like it. In that case, I suggest you follow Shakespeare's suggestion and kill all the lawyers first. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/17/nyregion/l-kill-the-lawyers-a-line-misinterpreted-599990.html

BTW, that quote, was from someone who wanted to install a totalitarian society, and knew that the lawyers and judges would prevent him.

They may be expensive, and they may be annoying, and they may be a lot of things. But a lawyer will represent you, no matter what kind of immoral a hole you might be. You are allowed a lawyer, and entitled to a lawyer, and if you think you can represent yourself, there is another quote that comes to mind.

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In 2005, Glenn Greenwald was the lawyer for Matthew Hale, a convicted white supremacist. [View all] baldguy Jun 2013 OP

Kind of a disgusting post. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #1

Sorry, but your post is equally disgusting. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #40

I disagree. This bottom-of-the-barrel character assassination reads exactly like the Marr Jun 2013 #85

We'll call it a tie. But, I am curious: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #88

FOX News may be one. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #126

Yes it does! Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #105

It's not a smear if there's no mud to smear with. A private defense lawyer pnwmom Jun 2013 #92

and the ACLU didn't have to defend the Skokie Nazis cali Jul 2013 #106

Keep trying. The Link Jun 2013 #2

+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #38

Even bad people are entitled to legal representation NoPasaran Jun 2013 #3

The despicable propaganda machine woo me with science Jun 2013 #9

+1 nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #122

That's what makes us civilized Kolesar Jun 2013 #82

Everyone gets counsel. The Constituon guaranfuckingtees it. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #4

Show me where in the Constitution it guarantees an attorney for a civil matter? msanthrope Jun 2013 #45

So, it's also fair to say then naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #56

It would seem thus... so vehemently opposed that he used unethical means and violated cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #70

On behalf of a neo-Nazi. And lost. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #128

The Constitution protects your right to denounce lawyers for doing their job. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #110

Thanks! This proves the NSA is not spying on us adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #5

lol Matariki Jun 2013 #58

+1. To the point. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #86

Whew. That's a relief. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #98

And the ACLU defended the First Amendment rights of NAZIs. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #6

Thus, Obama does not spy on the American people and the NSA are breaking no laws! Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #7

Grotesque. sibelian Jun 2013 #8

It's getting clearer and clearer that the NSA isn't spying on us? adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #10

:) sibelian Jun 2013 #18

Desperater and desperater LOL. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #11

And he acted unethically while serving as defense counsel... SidDithers Jun 2013 #12

Is this why he had to stop being a real lawyer to start calling himself a "journalist"? baldguy Jun 2013 #15

No, I think it just shows that he wasn't much of a lawyer... SidDithers Jun 2013 #19

He wasn't disbarred for civil rights violations? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #23

Maybe it's made up? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #27

It's not... SidDithers Jun 2013 #30

I don't know...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #28

According to the NY bar association, he is "suspended," not "disbarred." MADem Jul 2013 #100

You forgot to quote this bit, Sid MNBrewer Jun 2013 #52

And, as msanthrope said in he other thread... SidDithers Jun 2013 #61

Well,my valuation of misanthrope's opinions is about as high as of yours. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #64

Yeah, we all know you got locked out of that thread for your opinion of msanthrope... SidDithers Jun 2013 #67

I stand by it. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #69

Desperation is ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #13

So you oppose the right to counsel woo me with science Jun 2013 #14

Describe the right to counsel for a civil matter. Trademark was the first case for Hale msanthrope Jun 2013 #35

Shame on you. Just shame on you. woo me with science Jun 2013 #48

Oh please...the system does not need attorneys to represent neo-Nazis msanthrope Jul 2013 #125

You really can't sink much lower with this smearing garbage. woo me with science Jul 2013 #131

I have no problem with Glenn. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #16

I didn't realize defense lawyers are also considered guilty of whatever cases they take quinnox Jun 2013 #17

You know, neither did I Link Speed Jun 2013 #34

Tell us how a trademark case is a criminal matter? Because that was the original msanthrope Jun 2013 #39

if you think the OP makes a good argument, you may be suffering from �GDS� quinnox Jun 2013 #43

So he opposed a neo-Nazi group then? n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #71

On behalf of a neo-Nazi. And lost. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #124

That's a yes. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #130

Glenn Greenwald broke my pencil n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #20

That client should sue for malpractice treestar Jun 2013 #21

so, WTF does that have to do with the MASSIVE SPYING by our Government? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #22

That's what lawyers do. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #24

Thank you for your principled post. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #132

Ignore LittleBlue Jun 2013 #25

So while you have the right to an attorney Savannahmann Jun 2013 #26

You have a right to an attorney in a civil case? His first representation of Hale was msanthrope Jun 2013 #42

Yes. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #51

There's no right to an attorney in a civil matter. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #127

Tell that to the other party Savannahmann Jul 2013 #139

so you dislike the right to a fair trial? RainDog Jun 2013 #29

Ridiculous post. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #31

So? premium Jun 2013 #32

What a filthy, undemocratic and vile sentiment this post expresses. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #33

+100000000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #59

+1 Marr Jun 2013 #83

ROFL Oilwellian Jun 2013 #36

I think the OP may be suffering from "Greenwald Derangement Syndrome" quinnox Jun 2013 #37

It would seem that the OP has cut and run. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #73

-1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #41

Hard to know how to reply to such bullshit! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #44

Just for the record, I've represented hundreds of really bad people in my 19 years DefenseLawyer Jun 2013 #46

Obama's DOJ refuses to prosecute war and Wall Street criminals. Obama named John Brennan, a torture MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #47

And, Lincoln once defended a man who killed dog. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #49

Tom Durkin, well known Chicago criminal lawyer, was originally retained TomClash Jun 2013 #50

+1! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #138

how DARE the criminally charged have lawyers Skittles Jun 2013 #53

please refrain G_j Jun 2013 #54

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #55

sounds about right.. DCBob Jun 2013 #57

laughable post Matariki Jun 2013 #60

I'm thinking you meant to post this on one of those other sites. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #62

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #63

I'd like to add my condemnation of this post. It's disgusting. Demit Jun 2013 #65

Telling thread. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #66

Crazy huh? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #68

I'm usually the first one to get on GG about anything... Chan790 Jun 2013 #72

+1 n/t zappaman Jun 2013 #78

Gee, he must be a Jewish Nazi, then. Thanks for the info. Also, glad you proved 20score Jun 2013 #74

Ahhh. The smell of desperation in the evening is delightful, indeed! eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #75

And the character assassination sinks even further into Breitbart territory. Marr Jun 2013 #76

I want to thank the 5 who rec'd this for ensuring its presence on The Greatest Page. I would have cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #77

Your hate for Greenwald is noted. neverforget Jun 2013 #79

If only Dems got a tenth of the avid support RW Obama-bashers get on DU. . . ucrdem Jun 2013 #80

ASSOCIATIONS!!! Iggo Jun 2013 #81

Is his real name "denmark"? 'cause there's something rotten about him. UTUSN Jun 2013 #84

Have you ever heard of a news channel called CNN? The Straight Story Jun 2013 #87

Thank you all for proving that "**IT'S NOT ABOUT GREENWALD!!!!**" is total & complete bullshit. baldguy Jun 2013 #89

Kick! cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #90

you are an idiot RainDog Jun 2013 #91

I thought this wasn't about Greenwald? baldguy Jun 2013 #95

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #97

It wasn�t about Ellsberg, either, but that didn�t stop Nixon (& associates) from trying to smear him deurbano Jul 2013 #103

^ cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #96

So you posted flamebait to get a certain reaction? Union Scribe Jul 2013 #104

I'm guessing your alert failed? baldguy Jul 2013 #118

^ cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #112

Thank you for keeping this kicked to show everyone what hypocrites the Snowden fans are. baldguy Jul 2013 #119

Always a pleasure. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #123

First Law of Holes WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #121

Kick! cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #136

Yeah, well...I once found a sack of quarters by the side of the road. Zorra Jun 2013 #93

Everyone deserves a defense lawyer Marrah_G Jun 2013 #94

Those who respect the Constitution will readily disagree with you. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #99

Wasn't he doing his job? bravenak Jul 2013 #101

silly op. for reasons to obvious to get into. cali Jul 2013 #102

more evidence that authoritarians simply don't understand the values of western democracy Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #107

Thanks for the link, baldguy Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #108

The silver lining here is that so many have disagreed with you. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #109

Guilt by association? Tseko Jul 2013 #111

Yep. Iggo Jul 2013 #115

I'm no fan of Greenwald, but this MineralMan Jul 2013 #113

I worked for an attorney -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #114

DU is going after lawyers now? burnodo Jul 2013 #116

What an utterly embarrassing post. This says far more about you than it does about Greenwald. Wow. myrna minx Jul 2013 #117

Even the Devil has the right to counsel. WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #120

"It's OK for ME to wiretap folk cuz I'm Glenn Greenwald!" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #129

John Adams defended the Boston Massacre soldiers. Arkana Jul 2013 #133

Well lookee there. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #134

And this makes the US government spying on Americans okay HOW? n/t BlueStater Jul 2013 #135

And John Adams defended the British soldiers who carried out the Boston Massacre , , , markpkessinger Jul 2013 #137

Attacking a lawyer for who his clients are is just pathetic. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #140

this didn't exactly play out the way you had anticipated, did it? frylock Jul 2013 #141