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KamaAina

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78. How about a constructive suggestion?

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:32 PM

Jul 2013

ATU comes back, but SEIU does not.

That way the trains are back, and the pain is focused where it belongs: on BART management, not the community. Plus, ATU members will be drawing paychecks, and can contribute, say, 10 percent of them to SEIU's strike fund. That ensures that SEIU can stay out a long time, during which BART management would have to answer its own phones (be sure to flood the customer service line!), make its own copies, make its own coffee, etc. Meanwhile, passengers are back on their way to work, but will have ample reason to complain en masse to the said management about the deplorable condition of stations like SF's Civic Center, which is located directly beneath The City's homeless hotspot. The combination should be enough to get management back to the bargaining table.

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I support the BART strike [View all] Taverner Jul 2013 OP

K&R Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #1

NMe too! burrowowl Jul 2013 #80

You drive, don't you? KamaAina Jul 2013 #2

I do both Taverner Jul 2013 #3

But you have the option to drive. KamaAina Jul 2013 #4

Take a shuttle into San Francisco... get dropped off on Market St. and take an AC transit bus to the Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #8

You mean the KX bus? KamaAina Jul 2013 #9

No. Take a private shuttle to Market St., then an AC bus to the East Bay... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #11

The private shuttles are hellishly expensive KamaAina Jul 2013 #13

Legally companies with fleets of a certain size must have an accessible vehicle. LeftyMom Jul 2013 #70

Some of them jerk us around with that "fleets of a certain size" KamaAina Jul 2013 #72

Oh ffs. Alternatives exist. Their imperfection is no reason to deny BART LeftyMom Jul 2013 #75

The party is also a gathering of the disability community KamaAina Jul 2013 #76

If you are so dependent on these workers you should support their cause. LeftyMom Jul 2013 #85

I. Do. Not. Have. A. Driver's. License. KamaAina Jul 2013 #89

BART workers took a pay freeze 5 years ago. They made $100 million in concessions 4 years ago to Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #5

Indeed they should KamaAina Jul 2013 #6

ATU has threatened to go on strike if progress is not made during negotiations... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #10

But the BART local did not KamaAina Jul 2013 #12

has it occurred to you that striking this week is less disruptive? CreekDog Jul 2013 #17

I was scheduled to be up there at, of all things, a transit workshop today KamaAina Jul 2013 #19

They've been negotiating for 3 months. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #20

Thanks, I didn't know what the issues were Warpy Jul 2013 #53

so strikes that don't inconvenience people are the only ones that should exist? CreekDog Jul 2013 #16

The OP is inconvenienced. KamaAina Jul 2013 #18

so you're asking BART workers to take the deal on the table CreekDog Jul 2013 #21

Certainly not the deal on the table. KamaAina Jul 2013 #22

Because the AC transit union is making some progress. The BART negotiations were stuck. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #23

I had heard that the pay offer had been doubled. KamaAina Jul 2013 #27

BART hasn't promised a raise. CreekDog Jul 2013 #30

Ouch. KamaAina Jul 2013 #31

Thanks for considering my thoughts on this CreekDog Jul 2013 #42

Well, you're one of the better DUers we've got KamaAina Jul 2013 #46

Thanks for the Peach metaphor, but BART workers cannot withhold peaches, they only have their labor CreekDog Jul 2013 #73

Actually, the unions are our frenemies KamaAina Jul 2013 #77

Yes. You know why you are screwed? It's very simple. CreekDog Jul 2013 #26

I understand this... Taverner Jul 2013 #48

VTA only runs down here in Silicon Valley KamaAina Jul 2013 #49

$38K in the Bay Area would be tough. REALLY tough. Taverner Jul 2013 #51

Tell me about it. KamaAina Jul 2013 #54

I know VTA and AC have Paraservices for those in wheelchairs Taverner Jul 2013 #57

You have to be eligible for paratransit KamaAina Jul 2013 #69

38k is a BART employee starting wage for many positions CreekDog Jul 2013 #94

"your post belongs on FR." My thoughts exactly. Apophis Jul 2013 #32

Update: She made it back. Seven hours later. KamaAina Jul 2013 #99

By god, if working people feel the need to strike then I support them. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #7

+1000. there are strikes all the time in France, and because of that workers have decent rights kath Jul 2013 #14

Well said, 1-Old-Man mokawanis Jul 2013 #29

Always. K&R Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #15

Bart workers are way overpaid, woolldog Jul 2013 #24

Wow. Apophis Jul 2013 #33

$19/hour is overpaid? CreekDog Jul 2013 #36

$19 an hour is certainly not overpaid. KamaAina Jul 2013 #52

An entry level position at BART is approximately $19/hour CreekDog Jul 2013 #59

In your job, do you face down possible death or injury from trains or passengers? Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #43

There is also the cleaning of the BART trains Taverner Jul 2013 #50

and actually, they've come up with a new material that is soft but non porous CreekDog Jul 2013 #74

Sigh - that is GOOD to know Taverner Jul 2013 #84

I'd much rather get on a BART train with employees under a solid union contract... Earth_First Jul 2013 #44

If by overpaid you mean $60K then you, my friend, are a miser Taverner Jul 2013 #47

Funny you'd choose Brian as an avatar. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #127

I strongly support them Populist_Prole Jul 2013 #25

Good. The only way for workers to get their fair share is to strike and take it! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #28

My living room is now a hotel Prism Jul 2013 #34

"A typical BART station agent or train operator is paid a salary in the low $60,000 range." Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #35

when do they want 23%? this year? CreekDog Jul 2013 #37

by the way, NYE BEVAN, if you're going to post anti worker stuff, we're gonna call you on it CreekDog Jul 2013 #38

Sorry, where did I "badmouth" anyone? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #39

$80K is nothing in the Bay Area Taverner Jul 2013 #40

So, would you support a strike by any worker in the Bay Area who is paid less than $80k? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #60

A better idea would be to raise the minimum wage to $80K in California and then the US Taverner Jul 2013 #62

How about something like $120K in SF, if $80k only gets you a studio there? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #66

Sounds like you're on the silly train right now Taverner Jul 2013 #67

That would be a princely wage in East Bumboink, Texas Warpy Jul 2013 #130

I'm in Omaha Steve Jul 2013 #41

I'm in! Earth_First Jul 2013 #45

Not only I support them nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #55

Yup. We need a GENERAL STRIKE! Taverner Jul 2013 #56

Two exceptions to participation nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #58

Power workers? Water utility? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #61

Yes and yes - if they are untreated fairly, they should strike Taverner Jul 2013 #64

I would not mind at all if the military went on strike Taverner Jul 2013 #63

Mutiny...don't see it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #65

+1 MzNov Jul 2013 #68

So do I. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #71

How about a constructive suggestion? KamaAina Jul 2013 #78

The unions are generalizing stats, as if all are in the same boat railsback Jul 2013 #79

"I have friends here living in very sizable apartments paying on average $800." Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #87

Who's doing cocaine? railsback Jul 2013 #91

i've lived in the Bay Area most of my life and never lived in a rent-controlled property CreekDog Jul 2013 #95

LoL, you, too? railsback Jul 2013 #107

so you admit to posting the $800 apartment rent as some red herring to make the strike look selfish? CreekDog Jul 2013 #110

You certainly make a lot of assumptions railsback Jul 2013 #111

Actually, it's not longer an assumption, your post there and previous posts lay it all out CreekDog Jul 2013 #112

Maybe I should just start generalizing then railsback Jul 2013 #117

you're mistaken if you think your posts aren't sufficiently dumb CreekDog Jul 2013 #121

Well, if you think this is 'smart': railsback Jul 2013 #125

Unions dirty work? Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #98

Yes, DIRTY WORK railsback Jul 2013 #105

Dude. lol Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #106

More dirty work railsback Jul 2013 #108

Hahahahahaahah!!!!!!!! Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #114

Yeah, that is pretty funny that someone actually believe they're bestowed knowledge railsback Jul 2013 #116

IF we were to start on the list of all the things you got wrong in your post Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #120

It would all have to be lies to fit your meme railsback Jul 2013 #126

nah dog. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #131

i lost my rent-controlled apartment noiretextatique Jul 2013 #102

I'm sorry you lost your rent-controlled apartment railsback Jul 2013 #104

Only a dozen cities in all of California have rent control KamaAina Jul 2013 #119

Your rent numbers are much off Prism Jul 2013 #100

Anyone who thinks my posts belong on FR should take a gander at the comments section KamaAina Jul 2013 #81

Yeah, I've been monitoring the atmosphere here today railsback Jul 2013 #82

Let's be up front about what you're doing here --your quotes speak for themselves CreekDog Jul 2013 #88

Wow. You got me.. but I have an even better rant just above this railsback Jul 2013 #92

you complain about the tone here and 3 days ago said the unions were pulling serious f--king BS..." CreekDog Jul 2013 #101

That's such bullshit railsback Jul 2013 #109

you complained about the tone on DU months ago, not days ago CreekDog Jul 2013 #113

Show railsback Jul 2013 #115

No you make a good point - - but at the same time striking is all they have Taverner Jul 2013 #83

Kama, it's just a reality check on your posts CreekDog Jul 2013 #86

It's more than a "party" KamaAina Jul 2013 #90

did the BART unions consult with you about this party? CreekDog Jul 2013 #93

No one wants them to accept what's on the table KamaAina Jul 2013 #97

Only 21 recs supporting a union strike on a Democrat discussion forum? Apophis Jul 2013 #96

Right? Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #128

i rely on BART and AC Transit noiretextatique Jul 2013 #103

I am all for setting up some kind of rideshare Taverner Jul 2013 #124

Anybody who doesn't support this strike needs to reconsider their party affiliation. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #118

Has Jerry Brown come out in favor of the strikers? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #132

As do I. And for the folks complaining........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #122

Absolutely, we need a general strike Taverner Jul 2013 #123

Since I'm not inconvenienced by it, my support means little Warpy Jul 2013 #129