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BainsBane

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Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:09 PM Jul 2013

The NRA Wants the Law Protecting Killers like Zimmerman extended to All 50 States [View all]

Below is story worth revisiting in light of the issues raised by the Zimmerman trial.

"The National Rifle Association continues to press more states to adopt Florida-style "stand your ground" laws like the one that's made it difficult to prosecute George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, in late February. Zimmerman has claimed self-defense despite the fact that Martin was unarmed. Since "stand your ground" laws allow people who feel threatened to use deadly force—even if they have an opportunity, as Zimmerman did, to safely avoid a confrontation—Zimmerman has not been arrested or charged. (If you haven't heard about the Martin case, get the full rundown in our explainer.)

The proliferation of these laws is part of a deliberate lobbying campaign by the NRA. In 2005, at the NRA's urging, Florida became the first state to pass a "stand your ground" law. Before that, most states required you to retreat from a confrontation unless you were inside your own home. Now 25 states have these "stand your ground" laws, which critics call "shoot first" laws (Gawker's pseudonymous blogger "Mobuto Sese Seko" calls the laws "a great, legally roving murder bubble&quot because they authorize citizens to use deadly force even if the person who makes them feel threatened is, like Martin. . . .

Prosecutors hate "stand your ground" laws because they make it much harder to successfully prosecute people who claim self-defense. In Florida, a defendant doesn't have to actually prove he acted in self-defense—the prosecution has to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he didn't do so, a very high bar to clear. The upshot? In 2010, the Tampa Bay Times reported that "justifiable homicides"—i.e., killings that were deemed legitimate—have skyrocketed in Florida over several years since the "stand your ground" law went into effect:



http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/nra-trayvon-martin


Also note that the Civil Rights Commission is investigating stand your ground laws in light of charges that they are racist in application. http://www.bet.com/news/national/2013/06/03/u-s-commission-launches-investigation-into-stand-your-ground-law.html

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I thought George was claiming self defense... egduj Jul 2013 #1
This post is about the NRA's efforts to extend BainsBane Jul 2013 #2
You're the one that brought up the trial. egduj Jul 2013 #3
the article did BainsBane Jul 2013 #7
Your OP title is a lie.. pipoman Jul 2013 #6
Then sue Mother Jones BainsBane Jul 2013 #9
Maybe not posting year old articles pipoman Jul 2013 #10
Maybe not posting anything that criticizes BainsBane Jul 2013 #13
So you think that posting demonstrable lies helps your cause? pipoman Jul 2013 #17
What lie? BainsBane Jul 2013 #21
"Below is story worth revisiting in light of the issues raised by the Zimmerman trial." pipoman Jul 2013 #24
False BainsBane Jul 2013 #26
If witnesses had stated that Zimmerman pipoman Jul 2013 #34
who needs the NRA? CreekDog Jul 2013 #36
I'm well aware of that. BainsBane Jul 2013 #39
SYG or self defence - pretty much same thing except among those who Hoyt Jul 2013 #32
Because nobody should be allowed to defend themselves eh? pipoman Jul 2013 #33
Except that Zimmerman is not claiming "stand your ground" as his defense krispos42 Jul 2013 #11
Ok, I will edit it BainsBane Jul 2013 #12
That's good krispos42 Jul 2013 #14
The article is from March 2012. n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #15
This is an old article BainsBane Jul 2013 #16
Maybe.. pipoman Jul 2013 #25
Be honest with yourself BainsBane Jul 2013 #27
Also, remember the first prosecutor specifically BainsBane Jul 2013 #28
I haven't been watching the trial either.. pipoman Jul 2013 #35
How could you possibly know that? BainsBane Jul 2013 #37
I speculated it at the time.. pipoman Jul 2013 #40
NRA = National Racists Association. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #4
Ummm... That law is not protecting Zimmerman. Pelican Jul 2013 #5
I didn't think Zimmerman was using SYG? ileus Jul 2013 #8
Legalizing murder. moondust Jul 2013 #18
They are working on it BainsBane Jul 2013 #19
Here is some irony....the floriaduh politician who wrote russspeakeasy Jul 2013 #20
Why am I not suprised BainsBane Jul 2013 #22
Sadly, "follow the money", fits most situations russspeakeasy Jul 2013 #23
Zimmerman is not claiming stand your ground. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #29
The OP doesn't say he is BainsBane Jul 2013 #30
Then why mention Zimmerman? nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #31
Because SYG relates to the case BainsBane Jul 2013 #38
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