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Duer 157099

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84. Well, it can be somewhat generalized

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:15 PM

Jul 2013

If someone is behaving oddly towards me, I mean not just my perception but objectively out-of-the-norm, and I ask them about it and they deny it, in some ways that means not only was I correct, but it is so severe that they think they can't talk to me about it. Do you follow my logic?

On the other hand, if they go "Oh, yeah, I was having a hard time that day.." or whatever, then I understand.

Yes it sounds contradictory, but I think there's a logic there. Clearly it is only for very specific situations, and I think the Zimmerman/Martin situation falls into that category, at least to my way of thinking.

And perhaps to Trayvon's way too, because he already knew that GZ had a problem with him before he even asked him. Had George said something like "Yeah man, I was just wondering what you were doing." it may have totally defused the situation.

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The lie that Zimmerman told that should convict him [View all] Duer 157099 Jul 2013 OP

I'm confused. So if someone says there is not a problem virgogal Jul 2013 #1

Rather than saying "I am neighborhood watch" he basically said he was following for some other uppityperson Jul 2013 #7

ESPECIALLY if that person is armed, right??? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #41

THANK YOU Skittles Jul 2013 #51

Did Martin know Jenoch Jul 2013 #54

Unfortunately, we may never know. Only one that will tell us was shot dead. Dawgs Jul 2013 #55

Zimmerman needed to identify himself as a Jenoch Jul 2013 #67

That makes sense. I'm still baffled by the fact that Zimmerman did not identify himself. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #90

As I have stated before, Jenoch Jul 2013 #95

No, it sounds like what you're describing is the Stand Your Ground law, not a self defense Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #102

I was not describing stand your ground law. Jenoch Jul 2013 #107

Under the FL statutes it doesn't matter who started it. reusrename Jul 2013 #115

That's interesting. Jenoch Jul 2013 #118

Why didn't Zimmerman Identify Himself? blkrjoe Jul 2013 #142

Indeed!! These are questions that the Zimmerman Cheerleaders refuse to answer. Why? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #143

"He might not have participated in any altercation had he known" .. "Zimmerman was armed." Dawgs Jul 2013 #120

Zimmerman had prepared by becoming "armed and dangerous." reusrename Jul 2013 #114

Wow. I'm trying to deal with the facts Jenoch Jul 2013 #117

I know, the facts are pretty damning. reusrename Jul 2013 #128

I am unaware of any evidence Jenoch Jul 2013 #131

What other motive is there? reusrename Jul 2013 #132

I think it is more likely Jenoch Jul 2013 #134

Wtf? If he was afraid of him, why did he follow him? reusrename Jul 2013 #135

Watch the trial. Jenoch Jul 2013 #137

I'm terrified that kid is going to kill me, let me follow him. reusrename Jul 2013 #138

Why would I think he had a fantasy about killing someone? Jenoch Jul 2013 #139

It is called the process of elimination. reusrename Jul 2013 #140

You're right, there is NO other explanation for his actions. Jenoch Jul 2013 #141

I'm saying that when TM asked GZ, essentially, why he was following him, GZ denied it Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #10

I think you make an excellent point. crim son Jul 2013 #36

Neighborhood Watch liberal from boston Jul 2013 #44

and he was supposed to recruit others and assign each block a captain and never did either... bettyellen Jul 2013 #74

I certainly agree with you in this instance. I was referring virgogal Jul 2013 #83

Well, it can be somewhat generalized Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #84

yes you are confused demwing Jul 2013 #127

i'm still trying to understand how GZ unholsters his firearm.. frylock Jul 2013 #2

Me too. brush Jul 2013 #12

About the 'head bashing' . . . fleur-de-lisa Jul 2013 #21

Except zimmerman claims Martin was brush Jul 2013 #22

Oh, I agree completely that GZ is a liar. fleur-de-lisa Jul 2013 #24

Yes, and he would have a concussion, possible skull fracture . . . brush Jul 2013 #32

His wounds don't support the repeated bashing senario notadmblnd Jul 2013 #78

Neither does the alleged broken nose. No offensive wounds on Trayvon's hands or knuckles. NONE! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #94

Huh? Jenoch Jul 2013 #108

You need to slow down and re-read what I wrote notadmblnd Jul 2013 #119

Hey nota . . . fleur-de-lisa Jul 2013 #123

That injury could not be from recoil of Zimmerman's pistol. drhobo Jul 2013 #72

We all know who started the confrontation. It was Zimmerman. He admits that he continued to Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #96

O.K., so let's accept for a minute that Trayvon did bash Zimmerman's head.. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #93

The physician's assistant testified that Zimmerman was already seeing a shrink kskiska Jul 2013 #52

Zimmerman was fired from a job as a bouncer because he was too violent. yardwork Jul 2013 #82

History of violence: (1) domestic abuse charge and (2) striking a police officer charge. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #97

Apparently the same way he was able to alsame Jul 2013 #27

simply amazing, isn't it? frylock Jul 2013 #31

I hope the jury picks up on alsame Jul 2013 #34

Only happens if prosecutor introduces them as evidence. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #56

and reaching for the gun all at the same time. louis-t Jul 2013 #57

was just thinking about that, and per GZ's account, Martin must've had 6 arms.. frylock Jul 2013 #64

Yeah, he had to be a Budda. brush Jul 2013 #103

Not Buddha--he had just two arms. tblue37 Jul 2013 #116

Good catch. Agreed. nt brush Jul 2013 #124

Personally, I think he had his gun out the entire time he was stalking his victim. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #77

I absolutely believe the gun was already out TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #98

ANd shot Martin straight through the torso, hitting the heart dead on csziggy Jul 2013 #111

no kidding. dionysus Jul 2013 #126

He had a few instances where he could have diffused the situation Xyzse Jul 2013 #3

You're joking, right? nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #4

The "fry Zimmerman" crowd have checked out Azathoth Jul 2013 #6

Unlike the "zimmy defender" crowd? Is insulting others who have a different opinion really helpful? uppityperson Jul 2013 #9

Different opinions? Sure. But that's not a license to say ridiculous things Azathoth Jul 2013 #11

Oh there are enough Zimmy defenders posting ridiculous things also. uppityperson Jul 2013 #14

how did you feel about OJ? noiretextatique Jul 2013 #13

lol, I think you've got it mixed up Azathoth Jul 2013 #20

What makes you say that? I am curious. uppityperson Jul 2013 #25

What makes you curious? Azathoth Jul 2013 #26

Because I don't see that and wondering why you do. Why do you? uppityperson Jul 2013 #28

Maybe we know different people Azathoth Jul 2013 #29

Why do you say "A lot of the 'fry Zimmerman' folk were the ones chanting 'free OJ' back in the day"? uppityperson Jul 2013 #30

Am I wrong? Did you want OJ convicted? n/t Azathoth Jul 2013 #33

You are not going to answer my previous question. Got it. Thanks for playing. Again. uppityperson Jul 2013 #35

lol, interesting that you wouldn't take the opportunity to prove me wrong Azathoth Jul 2013 #40

lol, interesting that you won't answer a direct question but continue to dodge. uppityperson Jul 2013 #59

that one heaven05 Jul 2013 #65

Hmmm....I don't seem to recall you asking me a straightforward question Azathoth Jul 2013 #86

I didn't heaven05 Jul 2013 #122

What specifically leads you to believe that? LanternWaste Jul 2013 #37

What is the implied correlation? Azathoth Jul 2013 #43

Why do you say this? There's absolutely no correlation. Why would you say something like this? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #49

i think we all know the reason JI7 Jul 2013 #61

He wrote that he knew people Jenoch Jul 2013 #71

He shouldn't accuse others of the same just because he knows people who supported OJ. It's unfair. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #87

I'm just reading what he wrote. Jenoch Jul 2013 #91

No, I'm offended because he seems to imply race in the two cases. I believe OJ was guilty as hell. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #100

I don't know this guy. Jenoch Jul 2013 #109

There's a double standard Azathoth Jul 2013 #112

Everyone I knew wanted him to be found guilty. Jenoch Jul 2013 #113

What are you talking about? Azathoth Jul 2013 #85

The relationship should not have been made and whoever made it is really sick. One argument Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #89

And once again Azathoth Jul 2013 #92

I answered your question below. Yes, I think OJ is guilty. Yes, I also think Zimmerman is guilty. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #101

lol, see ya Azathoth Jul 2013 #104

No n/t Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #8

+1 blue_heron Jul 2013 #5

zimmerman is banking on racism noiretextatique Jul 2013 #15

Of course he is Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #16

indeed it seems to be the defense strategy noiretextatique Jul 2013 #17

Absolutely he is gollygee Jul 2013 #68

I don't think that's not a prosecutable offense. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #18

Unless it was precipitated by GZ? Then it's excused? Or what? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #19

How can you establish a desire for confrontation from a non-confrontational response? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #45

GZ himself established a desire for confrontation by his own actions Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #46

Following someone is not a crime. Not having a problem with someone is not a crime. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #47

You act like those things are completely unrelated to what happened. Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #48

They are not, in and of themselves, crimes. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #50

But... Caroline-Vivienne Jul 2013 #58

There's no legal basis for that argument. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #63

yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #66

If you feel better now perhaps you can move past your emotionalism Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #76

oh please heaven05 Jul 2013 #121

You realize you lose all credibility when you resort to attacking the poster joeglow3 Jul 2013 #125

I honestly believe the intent is to shout down anyone that questions. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #130

Why hasn't the prosecutor advanced the OP's argument? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #129

"And since Zimmerman walked away from the scene without any stitches and didn't need a hospital stay Jenoch Jul 2013 #110

Taken individually, GZ's actions were mostly legal Nevernose Jul 2013 #53

Like the typical troublemaker, he chose to create drama rather than make a genuine, civilized pacalo Jul 2013 #23

He got out of his car, chased the kid and shot him. Rex Jul 2013 #38

" He got out of his car, chased the kid and shot him." Jenoch Jul 2013 #69

I've always had a problem with Z's claim that Trayvon said "You got me" upon being shot. crim son Jul 2013 #39

If anything, I can imagine saying "You SHOT me!" Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #42

Only people in old ganster movies brush Jul 2013 #105

Z's claim that M said "you are going to die tonight" sounds way too self serving. arely staircase Jul 2013 #60

That never happened. H2O Man Jul 2013 #62

if Martin was being followed and was runnig from him B2G Jul 2013 #70

Because he was almost home.... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #73

Martin was on the phone with his friend....the one who testified last week. He was concerned Grammy23 Jul 2013 #75

How many black teenagers would think to call the cops if they are being chased? yardwork Jul 2013 #79

No kidding. For that matter, white teenagers would also be unlikely to call 911 Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #81

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(facepalm) flvegan Jul 2013 #88

Context is everything Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #99

Really? flvegan Jul 2013 #106

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I'd just like to say... sofa king Jul 2013 #136