Humans are not deer or elk and no way can they run 100yards. (Reply #89)

In the discussion thread: George Zimmerman "testified" in his Second Degree Murder trial today. He won't have to again. [View all]

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Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:59 AM

lumpy (13,704 posts)

89. Humans are not deer or elk and no way can they run 100yards.

Zimmerman did not testify that Martin talked gibberish; on the contrary, Zimmerman made I,m sure we would like to see proof that a dying person can sit up and and make statements such as 'you got me, man' carrying a bullet straight through the heart.

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158 replies	Author	Time	Post
George Zimmerman "testified" in his Second Degree Murder trial today. He won't have to again. [View all]	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	OP
They overcharged. Stupid.	dkf	Jul 2013	#1
I totally agree. The MOMENT he pulled the trigger it was manslaughter.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#2
Public pressure, not facts of the case drove this prosecution..	pipoman	Jul 2013	#3
PUBLIC PRESSURE FOR JUSTICE	Skittles	Jul 2013	#96
RIGHT	pipoman	Jul 2013	#100
no	Skittles	Jul 2013	#101
Rants work on the DU..	pipoman	Jul 2013	#106
I often wonder...	Scootaloo	Jul 2013	#108
Zimmerman is a gun-humping vigilante COWARD	Skittles	Jul 2013	#111
23 million in secret payouts to dozens of overnight "houseguests"...	TheMadMonk	Jul 2013	#120
people go after people with money	Skittles	Jul 2013	#144
Show me another celebrity with a REMOTELY SIMILAR history...	TheMadMonk	Jul 2013	#148
show me another celebrity with a REMOTELY SIMILAR upbringing	Skittles	Jul 2013	#149
Not many children of celebrity suffer a NORMAL upbringing.	TheMadMonk	Jul 2013	#150
er........what?	Skittles	Jul 2013	#152
Skittles, I totally agree with you about MJ.........	TheDebbieDee	Jul 2013	#153
thank you	Skittles	Jul 2013	#154
And FAMOUS people with "issues" are given free passes...	TheMadMonk	Jul 2013	#155
Famous people with power and money don't get a free pass............	TheDebbieDee	Jul 2013	#157
I'm talking of the millions of fans who deny the evidence.	TheMadMonk	Jul 2013	#158
I think that coward may very well walk	Skittles	Jul 2013	#109
Lesser included	dpibel	Jul 2013	#11
You can't make both arguments at once. A second degree closing won't be the right one to get	dkf	Jul 2013	#16
Then those instructions must all be wrong	dpibel	Jul 2013	#18
Sure you can.	Tommy_Carcetti	Jul 2013	#125
Actually YES it can....I was on a jury for a murder trial. The accused was charged with first degree	VanillaRhapsody	Jul 2013	#146
I think it is. I think I found a chart saying that manslaughter is	JDPriestly	Jul 2013	#114
Manslaughter is on the table. If the jury finds him guilty of manslaughter he'll get 30 years. nt	Tx4obama	Jul 2013	#22
I read that for aggravated manslaughter of a child, involving a gun,	Voice for Peace	Jul 2013	#102
They said on TV tonight 30 years, so that's all I know.	Tx4obama	Jul 2013	#107
How does a self defense plea work against one charge but not the other?	JVS	Jul 2013	#112
Self defense does work for either.	dkf	Jul 2013	#128
He is charged with manslaughter. Lesser included charge.	Tommy_Carcetti	Jul 2013	#124
AGAIN?	demwing	Jul 2013	#127
You really do not understand what my point is at all.	dkf	Jul 2013	#130
The state must have known	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2013	#4
Don't be stupid. SYG was taken off the table a long time ago by Z's lawyers.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#5
Stupid?	Lex	Jul 2013	#6
Easy writer	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2013	#7
That's a pretty cynical view if you ask me; the State giving up a life for a "loftier" goal.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#8
post edited/updated	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2013	#9
I thought as much... but my opinion stands: This isn't about SYG nor were the charges. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#12
The state responded to the pressure of the people	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2013	#14
Wouldn't that mean redefining self defense? Is that what you want?	dkf	Jul 2013	#17
I think thats the headline of the fix	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2013	#23
What does it matter how long it took to charge? Isn't it more important to get it right?	dkf	Jul 2013	#30
Of course	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2013	#38
If he isn't convicted maybe that was the right call.	dkf	Jul 2013	#50
This message was self-deleted by its author	dpibel	Jul 2013	#55
The NSA defines that as 51% so a coin flip plus one, not all that high a bar.	dkf	Jul 2013	#61
This message was self-deleted by its author	dpibel	Jul 2013	#74
The injuries, and his statement that he was afraid TM would go after his gun seem enough to me.	dkf	Jul 2013	#78
You're fading a bit	dpibel	Jul 2013	#83
If he was afraid for his life he could have gotten off of Martin and taken a hike	lumpy	Jul 2013	#98
I personally think Zimmerman is guilty of Murder 2, but he gets the	JDPriestly	Jul 2013	#115
it was TRAYVON who was STANDING HIS GROUND	Skittles	Jul 2013	#103
He was not indicted by a grand jury	pintobean	Jul 2013	#133
I stand corrected	Boom Sound 416	Jul 2013	#138
You throw out that word "stupid" as if you knew what it meant	demwing	Jul 2013	#131
then clearly you missed all the numerous inconsistencies and lies	TorchTheWitch	Jul 2013	#10
Apparently, so did the first interviewer and the Lead Detective.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#15
well, let's start with Z's re-enactment	TorchTheWitch	Jul 2013	#116
this is a great post and i think you should start a thread on it	JI7	Jul 2013	#117
I pray to God you are either Bernie De La Ronda or John Guy and you use this in your closing.	Tommy_Carcetti	Jul 2013	#126
You can send something to them?	TorchTheWitch	Jul 2013	#147
Wish this was a OP so I could rec it.	Little Star	Jul 2013	#132
Wish I was following the trial like others up here	Roland99	Jul 2013	#134
No forensic evidence of injuries to Martin except that he was shot dead by Zimmerman.	yardwork	Jul 2013	#151
this was great	NatBurner	Jul 2013	#137
Torch the Witch I hope the jury gets it..	Voice for Peace	Jul 2013	#142
This case has had its highs & lows	giftedgirl77	Jul 2013	#13
I guess you missed the part of the testimony where the first officer on the scene described Z's	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#19
Have you seen the photos?	giftedgirl77	Jul 2013	#139
That's not what the first interviewing officer said	premium	Jul 2013	#141
I'm not disputing that,	giftedgirl77	Jul 2013	#145
Ummm, GZ's clothes were not pristine,	premium	Jul 2013	#20
All it proves it that they were both rolling around on the ground before Zimmerman shot Trayvon	Tx4obama	Jul 2013	#26
And I was just correcting the poster that his	premium	Jul 2013	#27
No you weren't. You were also drawing conclusions.	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#42
This message was self-deleted by its author	premium	Jul 2013	#51
No, I'll just quote your conclusion "indicating that he was on his back struggling."	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#54
Hahahahahaha,	premium	Jul 2013	#57
In which case I was mistaken. He drew a conclusion and I was wrong in saying it was you. They way	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#59
I accept it,	premium	Jul 2013	#66
I've been wrong before, will be so again. Thanks. ETA, won't slink off	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#67
Yeh, and the first intervening officers were ready to shoot Trayvon who was aready	Hoyt	Jul 2013	#48
I said interviewing officer, not intervening officer. nt.	premium	Jul 2013	#52
This message was self-deleted by its author	giftedgirl77	Jul 2013	#140
Zimmerman has NOT testified UNDER OATH in a court of law.	Tx4obama	Jul 2013	#21
He already buried himself.	Rex	Jul 2013	#24
He buried himself,	premium	Jul 2013	#29
No much earlier, not today.	Rex	Jul 2013	#33
So far, the prosecutions witness' are helping the defense	premium	Jul 2013	#37
Manslaughter still on the table, could get 30 years.	Rex	Jul 2013	#39
Yep,	premium	Jul 2013	#40
he is a COWARD - he won't testify	Skittles	Jul 2013	#105
Nor does he have to. He did, however testify today, without significant inconsistencies.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#25
But you are not using the LEGAL definition of the word 'testify'	Tx4obama	Jul 2013	#28
You might consider quotes around "testify"	jberryhill	Jul 2013	#31
As per usual, you are correct. Edit made. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#36
Your point is valid	jberryhill	Jul 2013	#47
Would it be possible before the jury is dismissed to deliberate	pnwmom	Jul 2013	#68
Beats me	jberryhill	Jul 2013	#70
Do you know of any state where it would be possible? I was following	pnwmom	Jul 2013	#72
All I know is...	jberryhill	Jul 2013	#80
You think the dying black youth said, "Oh, gosh, you me you got me"?	pnwmom	Jul 2013	#32
You think you can put words into my mouth? Gee whiz, really?	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#34
I'm not putting words into your mouth. You said he didn't say anything to indicate	pnwmom	Jul 2013	#35
I don't know what the dying black youth said. Nor do you. Is it possible he said "You SHOT me"?	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#43
But things would have been much clearer for Zimmerman because he wasn't drunk or stoned.	pnwmom	Jul 2013	#46
So you are saying that what Zimmy "testified" to today was not really what happened?	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#49
I'm saying he may have "misunderHEARD" given the gravity of the moment and adrenaline.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#58
He misheard "oh gosh, you got me" and testified that is what he heard? Any possibility he is not	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#62
Are you for real?	Llewlladdwr	Jul 2013	#99
Well, that is the first time I've read that is what he said and while that makes more	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#110
If there's reasonable doubt, and there might be, it's because the police	pnwmom	Jul 2013	#63
The question isn't whether or not Zimmerman KILLED Trayvon. We know he did.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#69
We agree that manslaughter would have been the better charge.	pnwmom	Jul 2013	#71
He's guilty of manslaughter and I will clap with glee if that's what he's convicted of.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#76
Zimmerman dug his own grave.	Rex	Jul 2013	#45
It takes about 15-45 seconds to die from being shot in the heart.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#53
The language. Have you heard a Teen say "oh gosh" any time recently? In the 21st century?	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#56
How about "Rather LAST BREATH"?	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#60
Trayvon said "last breath, you got me"? What? How about "let's splash, you are all wet"?	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#64
This message was self-deleted by its author	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#73
Excuse me but Mr. Uppity is NOT stupid. eom	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#75
I apologize. That came across WAAY more sarcastic than I meant it.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2013	#77
Thank you.	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#91
Zimmerman must be a fan of the movie Used Cars ...	ThePhilosopher04	Jul 2013	#94
Humans are not deer or elk and no way can they run 100yards.	lumpy	Jul 2013	#89
The bullet entrance wound should indicate whether the bullet entered	lumpy	Jul 2013	#81
I didn't realize there was even still any question about this.	Captain Stern	Jul 2013	#123
Downthread he says TM said "rather last breath, you got me". Golly jeepers!	uppityperson	Jul 2013	#65
not even REMOTELY believable	Skittles	Jul 2013	#79
There is so much wrong in Zimmerman's statements of what happened	lumpy	Jul 2013	#85
I have to tell you lumpy	Skittles	Jul 2013	#86
Yes, personally I believe it didn't go down the way Zimmerman painted it.	lumpy	Jul 2013	#93
He will be found innocent, hopefully the verdict will be respected..	ram2008	Jul 2013	#41
You mean like the Diallo verdict? King? Bell? Zongo? Chamberlain?	BklnDem75	Jul 2013	#143
Last questions from the day's testimony	Azathoth	Jul 2013	#44
Interesting the part of O'Mara's question you left out	Just Saying	Jul 2013	#84
Interesting you didn't feel the need to include the part of the transcript	Azathoth	Jul 2013	#87
Nice try	Just Saying	Jul 2013	#88
I don't think most jurors would have a hard time figuring out how to take his response	Azathoth	Jul 2013	#92
Thank you,	premium	Jul 2013	#90
Perhaps that was because they might be covering up their asses because	lumpy	Jul 2013	#95
Your editing of the transcript did very much so, shift the meaning	graham4anything	Jul 2013	#113
huh?	naaman fletcher	Jul 2013	#118
Yes, I saw it. 100% zimmerman guilty and Serano thought so. Zimmy is a pathelogical liar imho	graham4anything	Jul 2013	#119
Back that up.	pintobean	Jul 2013	#122
he qualified it with saying "if you don't believe he is a liar" well, zimmy lied and Trayvon died.	graham4anything	Jul 2013	#135
Get it right.	premium	Jul 2013	#136
Serino never said he thought Zimmerman was guilty,	premium	Jul 2013	#129
Defense Will Have To Overcome ...	ThePhilosopher04	Jul 2013	#82
If the jury is awake, thinking and listening perhaps it can be helpful that	lumpy	Jul 2013	#97
YOU KNOW IT, PHILOSOPHER	Skittles	Jul 2013	#104
Serino nailed him -- "What's behind that?" "That's not fear."	KurtNYC	Jul 2013	#121
cause he's a fucking idiot	CatWoman	Jul 2013	#156

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