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KurtNYC

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121. Serino nailed him -- "What's behind that?" "That's not fear."

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Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:22 AM

Jul 2013

"why didn't you identify yourself as neighborhood watch?"

Zim knows the law which is why he tells the story one way the first time -- the HE was in fear of the victim -- and then Zim resists moving from that story. Even when the phone tapes show him acting in a way that was not fearful, Zim still sticks with pretending that for some unknown reason, as neighborhood watch, with a gun on his hip and police on the way, and him getting out of the car and running after TM, he was in fear the whole time. Not just when it got physical but from the time he was sitting in his SUV talking with non-emergency.

It doesn't make any sense. If you are in your SUV and afraid of some random person, when they run away from your veehicle, you don't say "oh shit, he's running" and immediately jump out and run after them.

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George Zimmerman "testified" in his Second Degree Murder trial today. He won't have to again. [View all] cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 OP

They overcharged. Stupid. dkf Jul 2013 #1

I totally agree. The MOMENT he pulled the trigger it was manslaughter. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #2

Public pressure, not facts of the case drove this prosecution.. pipoman Jul 2013 #3

PUBLIC PRESSURE FOR JUSTICE Skittles Jul 2013 #96

RIGHT pipoman Jul 2013 #100

no Skittles Jul 2013 #101

Rants work on the DU.. pipoman Jul 2013 #106

I often wonder... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #108

Zimmerman is a gun-humping vigilante COWARD Skittles Jul 2013 #111

23 million in secret payouts to dozens of overnight "houseguests"... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #120

people go after people with money Skittles Jul 2013 #144

Show me another celebrity with a REMOTELY SIMILAR history... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #148

show me another celebrity with a REMOTELY SIMILAR upbringing Skittles Jul 2013 #149

Not many children of celebrity suffer a NORMAL upbringing. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #150

er........what? Skittles Jul 2013 #152

Skittles, I totally agree with you about MJ......... TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #153

thank you Skittles Jul 2013 #154

And FAMOUS people with "issues" are given free passes... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #155

Famous people with power and money don't get a free pass............ TheDebbieDee Jul 2013 #157

I'm talking of the millions of fans who deny the evidence. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #158

I think that coward may very well walk Skittles Jul 2013 #109

Lesser included dpibel Jul 2013 #11

You can't make both arguments at once. A second degree closing won't be the right one to get dkf Jul 2013 #16

Then those instructions must all be wrong dpibel Jul 2013 #18

Sure you can. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #125

Actually YES it can....I was on a jury for a murder trial. The accused was charged with first degree VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #146

I think it is. I think I found a chart saying that manslaughter is JDPriestly Jul 2013 #114

Manslaughter is on the table. If the jury finds him guilty of manslaughter he'll get 30 years. nt Tx4obama Jul 2013 #22

I read that for aggravated manslaughter of a child, involving a gun, Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #102

They said on TV tonight 30 years, so that's all I know. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #107

How does a self defense plea work against one charge but not the other? JVS Jul 2013 #112

Self defense does work for either. dkf Jul 2013 #128

He is charged with manslaughter. Lesser included charge. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #124

AGAIN? demwing Jul 2013 #127

You really do not understand what my point is at all. dkf Jul 2013 #130

The state must have known Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #4

Don't be stupid. SYG was taken off the table a long time ago by Z's lawyers. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #5

Stupid? Lex Jul 2013 #6

Easy writer Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #7

That's a pretty cynical view if you ask me; the State giving up a life for a "loftier" goal. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #8

post edited/updated Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #9

I thought as much... but my opinion stands: This isn't about SYG nor were the charges. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #12

The state responded to the pressure of the people Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #14

Wouldn't that mean redefining self defense? Is that what you want? dkf Jul 2013 #17

I think thats the headline of the fix Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #23

What does it matter how long it took to charge? Isn't it more important to get it right? dkf Jul 2013 #30

Of course Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #38

If he isn't convicted maybe that was the right call. dkf Jul 2013 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author dpibel Jul 2013 #55

The NSA defines that as 51% so a coin flip plus one, not all that high a bar. dkf Jul 2013 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author dpibel Jul 2013 #74

The injuries, and his statement that he was afraid TM would go after his gun seem enough to me. dkf Jul 2013 #78

You're fading a bit dpibel Jul 2013 #83

If he was afraid for his life he could have gotten off of Martin and taken a hike lumpy Jul 2013 #98

I personally think Zimmerman is guilty of Murder 2, but he gets the JDPriestly Jul 2013 #115

it was TRAYVON who was STANDING HIS GROUND Skittles Jul 2013 #103

He was not indicted by a grand jury pintobean Jul 2013 #133

I stand corrected Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #138

You throw out that word "stupid" as if you knew what it meant demwing Jul 2013 #131

then clearly you missed all the numerous inconsistencies and lies TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #10

Apparently, so did the first interviewer and the Lead Detective. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #15

well, let's start with Z's re-enactment TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #116

this is a great post and i think you should start a thread on it JI7 Jul 2013 #117

I pray to God you are either Bernie De La Ronda or John Guy and you use this in your closing. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #126

You can send something to them? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #147

Wish this was a OP so I could rec it. Little Star Jul 2013 #132

Wish I was following the trial like others up here Roland99 Jul 2013 #134

No forensic evidence of injuries to Martin except that he was shot dead by Zimmerman. yardwork Jul 2013 #151

this was great NatBurner Jul 2013 #137

Torch the Witch I hope the jury gets it.. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #142

This case has had its highs & lows giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #13

I guess you missed the part of the testimony where the first officer on the scene described Z's cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #19

Have you seen the photos? giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #139

That's not what the first interviewing officer said premium Jul 2013 #141

I'm not disputing that, giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #145

Ummm, GZ's clothes were not pristine, premium Jul 2013 #20

All it proves it that they were both rolling around on the ground before Zimmerman shot Trayvon Tx4obama Jul 2013 #26

And I was just correcting the poster that his premium Jul 2013 #27

No you weren't. You were also drawing conclusions. uppityperson Jul 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author premium Jul 2013 #51

No, I'll just quote your conclusion "indicating that he was on his back struggling." uppityperson Jul 2013 #54

Hahahahahaha, premium Jul 2013 #57

In which case I was mistaken. He drew a conclusion and I was wrong in saying it was you. They way uppityperson Jul 2013 #59

I accept it, premium Jul 2013 #66

I've been wrong before, will be so again. Thanks. ETA, won't slink off uppityperson Jul 2013 #67

Yeh, and the first intervening officers were ready to shoot Trayvon who was aready Hoyt Jul 2013 #48

I said interviewing officer, not intervening officer. nt. premium Jul 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #140

Zimmerman has NOT testified UNDER OATH in a court of law. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #21

He already buried himself. Rex Jul 2013 #24

He buried himself, premium Jul 2013 #29

No much earlier, not today. Rex Jul 2013 #33

So far, the prosecutions witness' are helping the defense premium Jul 2013 #37

Manslaughter still on the table, could get 30 years. Rex Jul 2013 #39

Yep, premium Jul 2013 #40

he is a COWARD - he won't testify Skittles Jul 2013 #105

Nor does he have to. He did, however testify today, without significant inconsistencies. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #25

But you are not using the LEGAL definition of the word 'testify' Tx4obama Jul 2013 #28

You might consider quotes around "testify" jberryhill Jul 2013 #31

As per usual, you are correct. Edit made. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #36

Your point is valid jberryhill Jul 2013 #47

Would it be possible before the jury is dismissed to deliberate pnwmom Jul 2013 #68

Beats me jberryhill Jul 2013 #70

Do you know of any state where it would be possible? I was following pnwmom Jul 2013 #72

All I know is... jberryhill Jul 2013 #80

You think the dying black youth said, "Oh, gosh, you me you got me"? pnwmom Jul 2013 #32

You think you can put words into my mouth? Gee whiz, really? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #34

I'm not putting words into your mouth. You said he didn't say anything to indicate pnwmom Jul 2013 #35

I don't know what the dying black youth said. Nor do you. Is it possible he said "You SHOT me"? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #43

But things would have been much clearer for Zimmerman because he wasn't drunk or stoned. pnwmom Jul 2013 #46

So you are saying that what Zimmy "testified" to today was not really what happened? uppityperson Jul 2013 #49

I'm saying he may have "misunderHEARD" given the gravity of the moment and adrenaline. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #58

He misheard "oh gosh, you got me" and testified that is what he heard? Any possibility he is not uppityperson Jul 2013 #62

Are you for real? Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #99

Well, that is the first time I've read that is what he said and while that makes more uppityperson Jul 2013 #110

If there's reasonable doubt, and there might be, it's because the police pnwmom Jul 2013 #63

The question isn't whether or not Zimmerman KILLED Trayvon. We know he did. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #69

We agree that manslaughter would have been the better charge. pnwmom Jul 2013 #71

He's guilty of manslaughter and I will clap with glee if that's what he's convicted of. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #76

Zimmerman dug his own grave. Rex Jul 2013 #45

It takes about 15-45 seconds to die from being shot in the heart. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #53

The language. Have you heard a Teen say "oh gosh" any time recently? In the 21st century? uppityperson Jul 2013 #56

How about "Rather LAST BREATH"? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #60

Trayvon said "last breath, you got me"? What? How about "let's splash, you are all wet"? uppityperson Jul 2013 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #73

Excuse me but Mr. Uppity is NOT stupid. eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #75

I apologize. That came across WAAY more sarcastic than I meant it. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #77

Thank you. uppityperson Jul 2013 #91

Zimmerman must be a fan of the movie Used Cars ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #94

Humans are not deer or elk and no way can they run 100yards. lumpy Jul 2013 #89

The bullet entrance wound should indicate whether the bullet entered lumpy Jul 2013 #81

I didn't realize there was even still any question about this. Captain Stern Jul 2013 #123

Downthread he says TM said "rather last breath, you got me". Golly jeepers! uppityperson Jul 2013 #65

not even REMOTELY believable Skittles Jul 2013 #79

There is so much wrong in Zimmerman's statements of what happened lumpy Jul 2013 #85

I have to tell you lumpy Skittles Jul 2013 #86

Yes, personally I believe it didn't go down the way Zimmerman painted it. lumpy Jul 2013 #93

He will be found innocent, hopefully the verdict will be respected.. ram2008 Jul 2013 #41

You mean like the Diallo verdict? King? Bell? Zongo? Chamberlain? BklnDem75 Jul 2013 #143

Last questions from the day's testimony Azathoth Jul 2013 #44

Interesting the part of O'Mara's question you left out Just Saying Jul 2013 #84

Interesting you didn't feel the need to include the part of the transcript Azathoth Jul 2013 #87

Nice try Just Saying Jul 2013 #88

I don't think most jurors would have a hard time figuring out how to take his response Azathoth Jul 2013 #92

Thank you, premium Jul 2013 #90

Perhaps that was because they might be covering up their asses because lumpy Jul 2013 #95

Your editing of the transcript did very much so, shift the meaning graham4anything Jul 2013 #113

huh? naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #118

Yes, I saw it. 100% zimmerman guilty and Serano thought so. Zimmy is a pathelogical liar imho graham4anything Jul 2013 #119

Back that up. pintobean Jul 2013 #122

he qualified it with saying "if you don't believe he is a liar" well, zimmy lied and Trayvon died. graham4anything Jul 2013 #135

Get it right. premium Jul 2013 #136

Serino never said he thought Zimmerman was guilty, premium Jul 2013 #129

Defense Will Have To Overcome ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #82

If the jury is awake, thinking and listening perhaps it can be helpful that lumpy Jul 2013 #97

YOU KNOW IT, PHILOSOPHER Skittles Jul 2013 #104

Serino nailed him -- "What's behind that?" "That's not fear." KurtNYC Jul 2013 #121

cause he's a fucking idiot CatWoman Jul 2013 #156