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muriel_volestrangler

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19. An op-ed on CNN considered it, before the spying on the EU revelations:
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:27 AM
Jul 2013
Has U.S. started an Internet war?
...
Longtime NSA watcher James Bamford reached the same conclusion in his recent profile of Alexander and the U.S. Cyber Command (written before the Snowden revelations). He discussed some of the many cyberweapons the U.S. purchases:

"According to Defense News' C4ISR Journal and Bloomberg Businessweek, Endgame also offers its intelligence clients -- agencies like Cyber Command, the NSA, the CIA, and British intelligence -- a unique map showing them exactly where their targets are located. Dubbed Bonesaw, the map displays the geolocation and digital address of basically every device connected to the Internet around the world, providing what's called network situational awareness. The client locates a region on the password-protected web-based map, then picks a country and city -- say, Beijing, China. Next the client types in the name of the target organization, such as the Ministry of Public Security's No. 3 Research Institute, which is responsible for computer security -- or simply enters its address, 6 Zhengyi Road. The map will then display what software is running on the computers inside the facility, what types of malware some may contain, and a menu of custom-designed exploits that can be used to secretly gain entry. It can also pinpoint those devices infected with malware, such as the Conficker worm, as well as networks turned into botnets and zombies -- the equivalent of a back door left open...

"The buying and using of such a subscription by nation-states could be seen as an act of war. 'If you are engaged in reconnaissance on an adversary's systems, you are laying the electronic battlefield and preparing to use it' wrote Mike Jacobs, a former NSA director for information assurance, in a McAfee report on cyberwarfare. 'In my opinion, these activities constitute acts of war, or at least a prelude to future acts of war.' The question is, who else is on the secretive company's client list? Because there is as of yet no oversight or regulation of the cyberweapons trade, companies in the cyber-industrial complex are free to sell to whomever they wish. "It should be illegal,' said the former senior intelligence official involved in cyberwarfare. 'I knew about Endgame when I was in intelligence. The intelligence community didn't like it, but they're the largest consumer of that business.'"

That's the key question: How much of what the United States is currently doing is an act of war by international definitions? Already we're accusing China of penetrating our systems in order to map "military capabilities that could be exploited during a crisis." What PPD-20 and Snowden describe is much worse, and certainly China, and other countries, are doing the same.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/18/opinion/schneier-cyberwar-policy/index.html

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Guess Ill have to wait till morning before the talking points on this hot-potato are passed out usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #1
They are too busy celebrating Snowden's misery Live and Learn Jul 2013 #5
good point usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #29
Right? Right? Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #30
Pentagon investigation forthcoming. Rex Jul 2013 #2
It will be very interesting to see what Kerry comes back with to our alies usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #39
In that words have meanings, no. (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #3
Our allies are racist libertarians. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #4
You forgot the whole "this is proof that presidents/elections don't matter" part. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #6
Isn't that special, you've taken a RW meme and called it your own. great white snark Jul 2013 #21
Take your complaint up with the BOG. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #40
The racist accusations against DUers was really a low point on here usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #41
Wow...this post is incredibly stupid Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #7
Thank you! SoapBox Jul 2013 #9
too funny usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #11
Actually, we HACKED into their systems, to install our recording devices. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #10
And You Know This How??? KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #15
The Edward Snowden story has been all over the news for weeks now. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #16
And You Know This How?? KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #17
From the TOP SECRET documents released, as well as the first hand accounts by former NSA employees usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #23
All Speculation... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #34
Which is speculation? Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #36
All Assumptions... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #38
26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #43
First hand accounts, and TOP SECRET docs are far from 'speculation' and valid in our courts of law. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #37
Because very few countries have the ability install taps on undersea cables and Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #31
I wonder what percentage of the www backbone is owned/operated by US firms? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #33
Yep! Also, our reach scales with our budget, which is vast compared to anyone else in the world. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #35
"taps on undersea cables" snooper2 Jul 2013 #42
Yes. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #44
what does that even mean? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #45
google is your friend snooper2 Jul 2013 #46
are you another NSA wannabee? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #47
are you lacking education on the subject at hand? snooper2 Jul 2013 #49
google is YOUR friend - LOL nashville_brook Jul 2013 #51
excellent link usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #53
Dude, I have put taps on fiber optic cables myself snooper2 Jul 2013 #57
ah, huh usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #59
Happy 4th! snooper2 Jul 2013 #60
Of course it was hacking muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #18
Yes they have committed an Act of War..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #8
+1 nice links... KoKo Jul 2013 #22
thanks for the links DeSwiss usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #24
No, it won't. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #26
Well, like your quote says, it will if there is a demand for it... It seems the rest of the world & usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #27
This resembles how a physical system will naturally settle into the lowest possible energy state. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #32
So when do our allies declare war? treestar Jul 2013 #12
I doubt they will since this is a U.S. policy usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #14
I take a night off and miss something pretty darned good. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #13
You know what ProSense Jul 2013 #20
I have no idea what you are trying to say here, can you restate usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #25
An op-ed on CNN considered it, before the spying on the EU revelations: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #19
Hacking SamKnause Jul 2013 #28
But..but..we did it LEGALLY! We passed a secret law that says we can. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #48
k and r nashville_brook Jul 2013 #50
How convenient it is to have the exclusive franchise as maker of the rules that all must follow? indepat Jul 2013 #52
Spying agencies are engaged in espionage? Generic Brad Jul 2013 #54
Welcome to the minority usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #55
On an UNPRECEDENTED scale, and it is SUSPICIONLESS spying on Americans as well usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #56
Now they appear to be interfering with right to travel of heads of state usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #58
The US only cares about international law when it suits them. It's not illegal when we do it. It's liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #61
We do seem to have a history of that usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #62
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