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In reply to the discussion: Has U.S. Commited "ACT of WAR" against our Alies by Hacking into their systems to SPY? Pentagon: YES [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,639 posts)19. An op-ed on CNN considered it, before the spying on the EU revelations:
Has U.S. started an Internet war?
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Longtime NSA watcher James Bamford reached the same conclusion in his recent profile of Alexander and the U.S. Cyber Command (written before the Snowden revelations). He discussed some of the many cyberweapons the U.S. purchases:
"According to Defense News' C4ISR Journal and Bloomberg Businessweek, Endgame also offers its intelligence clients -- agencies like Cyber Command, the NSA, the CIA, and British intelligence -- a unique map showing them exactly where their targets are located. Dubbed Bonesaw, the map displays the geolocation and digital address of basically every device connected to the Internet around the world, providing what's called network situational awareness. The client locates a region on the password-protected web-based map, then picks a country and city -- say, Beijing, China. Next the client types in the name of the target organization, such as the Ministry of Public Security's No. 3 Research Institute, which is responsible for computer security -- or simply enters its address, 6 Zhengyi Road. The map will then display what software is running on the computers inside the facility, what types of malware some may contain, and a menu of custom-designed exploits that can be used to secretly gain entry. It can also pinpoint those devices infected with malware, such as the Conficker worm, as well as networks turned into botnets and zombies -- the equivalent of a back door left open...
"The buying and using of such a subscription by nation-states could be seen as an act of war. 'If you are engaged in reconnaissance on an adversary's systems, you are laying the electronic battlefield and preparing to use it' wrote Mike Jacobs, a former NSA director for information assurance, in a McAfee report on cyberwarfare. 'In my opinion, these activities constitute acts of war, or at least a prelude to future acts of war.' The question is, who else is on the secretive company's client list? Because there is as of yet no oversight or regulation of the cyberweapons trade, companies in the cyber-industrial complex are free to sell to whomever they wish. "It should be illegal,' said the former senior intelligence official involved in cyberwarfare. 'I knew about Endgame when I was in intelligence. The intelligence community didn't like it, but they're the largest consumer of that business.'"
That's the key question: How much of what the United States is currently doing is an act of war by international definitions? Already we're accusing China of penetrating our systems in order to map "military capabilities that could be exploited during a crisis." What PPD-20 and Snowden describe is much worse, and certainly China, and other countries, are doing the same.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/18/opinion/schneier-cyberwar-policy/index.html
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Longtime NSA watcher James Bamford reached the same conclusion in his recent profile of Alexander and the U.S. Cyber Command (written before the Snowden revelations). He discussed some of the many cyberweapons the U.S. purchases:
"According to Defense News' C4ISR Journal and Bloomberg Businessweek, Endgame also offers its intelligence clients -- agencies like Cyber Command, the NSA, the CIA, and British intelligence -- a unique map showing them exactly where their targets are located. Dubbed Bonesaw, the map displays the geolocation and digital address of basically every device connected to the Internet around the world, providing what's called network situational awareness. The client locates a region on the password-protected web-based map, then picks a country and city -- say, Beijing, China. Next the client types in the name of the target organization, such as the Ministry of Public Security's No. 3 Research Institute, which is responsible for computer security -- or simply enters its address, 6 Zhengyi Road. The map will then display what software is running on the computers inside the facility, what types of malware some may contain, and a menu of custom-designed exploits that can be used to secretly gain entry. It can also pinpoint those devices infected with malware, such as the Conficker worm, as well as networks turned into botnets and zombies -- the equivalent of a back door left open...
"The buying and using of such a subscription by nation-states could be seen as an act of war. 'If you are engaged in reconnaissance on an adversary's systems, you are laying the electronic battlefield and preparing to use it' wrote Mike Jacobs, a former NSA director for information assurance, in a McAfee report on cyberwarfare. 'In my opinion, these activities constitute acts of war, or at least a prelude to future acts of war.' The question is, who else is on the secretive company's client list? Because there is as of yet no oversight or regulation of the cyberweapons trade, companies in the cyber-industrial complex are free to sell to whomever they wish. "It should be illegal,' said the former senior intelligence official involved in cyberwarfare. 'I knew about Endgame when I was in intelligence. The intelligence community didn't like it, but they're the largest consumer of that business.'"
That's the key question: How much of what the United States is currently doing is an act of war by international definitions? Already we're accusing China of penetrating our systems in order to map "military capabilities that could be exploited during a crisis." What PPD-20 and Snowden describe is much worse, and certainly China, and other countries, are doing the same.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/18/opinion/schneier-cyberwar-policy/index.html
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Has U.S. Commited "ACT of WAR" against our Alies by Hacking into their systems to SPY? Pentagon: YES [View all]
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
OP
Guess Ill have to wait till morning before the talking points on this hot-potato are passed out
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#1
It will be very interesting to see what Kerry comes back with to our alies
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#39
You forgot the whole "this is proof that presidents/elections don't matter" part.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2013
#6
The racist accusations against DUers was really a low point on here
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#41
Actually, we HACKED into their systems, to install our recording devices.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#10
The Edward Snowden story has been all over the news for weeks now.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#16
From the TOP SECRET documents released, as well as the first hand accounts by former NSA employees
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#23
26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#43
First hand accounts, and TOP SECRET docs are far from 'speculation' and valid in our courts of law.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#37
Because very few countries have the ability install taps on undersea cables and
Romulus Quirinus
Jul 2013
#31
I wonder what percentage of the www backbone is owned/operated by US firms?
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#33
Yep! Also, our reach scales with our budget, which is vast compared to anyone else in the world.
Romulus Quirinus
Jul 2013
#35
Well, like your quote says, it will if there is a demand for it... It seems the rest of the world &
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#27
This resembles how a physical system will naturally settle into the lowest possible energy state. nt
Romulus Quirinus
Jul 2013
#32
An op-ed on CNN considered it, before the spying on the EU revelations:
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2013
#19
But..but..we did it LEGALLY! We passed a secret law that says we can.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#48
How convenient it is to have the exclusive franchise as maker of the rules that all must follow?
indepat
Jul 2013
#52
On an UNPRECEDENTED scale, and it is SUSPICIONLESS spying on Americans as well
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#56
Now they appear to be interfering with right to travel of heads of state
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jul 2013
#58
The US only cares about international law when it suits them. It's not illegal when we do it. It's
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#61