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Chan790

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47. It needed to be said. I'd highlight a further problem.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jul 2013

There is a seeming active antipathy on the part of organized labor to unionize or support unionization of white-collar private-sector workers even where there is already an active worker-driven effort to do so and they're reaching out to organized labor for assistance/advice. Unionizing us is the future of labor as the we (along with service sector) are the growing employment base while manufacturing recedes rapidly, fail to do it and organized labor in America will continue to recede.

I was central to one such effort when I was in banking...the bank treated us like crap. They made promises they broke to workers with no repercussions. They fired people without cause, when pushed for cause or proof...they'd say "internal security suspected theft. No, we can't give you evidence. No, we can't reveal how we know. It would cripple our ability to deter theft if we had to prove these accusations." They screwed us on raises. They created an atmosphere were if they accused you of something, you were guilty until proven innocent and seeking legal counsel was terminable. They were Goliath and we were defenseless alone.

It started as a whisper in one branch, that whisper spread from one person to two (I was #2. #1 got fired and they thought that it died with #1 until they realized there were legion.) to two branches to four to two corporate-areas within DC to about half the city. (by area. We had the majority of the branches and staff as we had downtown and the wealthy part of NW DC.) The bank was suspicious but lacked proof or any idea where the leadership was for a very long time, we were safe and we had the votes to make it happen if a vote were to occur; I literally had verbal commitments to unionize from 60% of the branch banking representatives of the major urban territory of one of the 10 largest banks in America. So we started reaching out for assistance and advice to every labor group and union we could think of realizing that nobody was quite aligned with us as a labor-base but someone might want us and others would be happy to at least give us advice. SEIU, AFL-CIO, UAW, Teamsters, IWW, UFCW (Half my family is UFCW.)...we reached out to everybody. I reached out to people on DU I knew were labor-organizers. We never got so much as a "We can't help you but 'Solidarity' and we support your efforts." letter from any of them. I felt hung out to dry.

There is nobody organizing private-sector white-collar labor and nobody wants to be the first.

I'd think this would be a coup, who wouldn't want us as it'd be a foothold being handed to them into unionization of white-collar workers, a growth segment; it'd break the dam and that union would benefit immensely. No.

Eventually, they figured out what was what and over the next several months, they sent in some wide-body tough from bank security to threaten me in trumped-up allegations, they eventually fired me without cause (and I took them "to the bank" on it in court), harassed the other key people involved until they made them miserable enough to quit or found grounds to fire them and the rest melted away as they saw the opportunity had been crushed and waited possibly for another opportunity/another day.

I've talked to labor organizers about it since I left the bank. The general response is "We'd never do that. You don't fit under what we aim to do. You're not really the kind of people we organize or want to organize." Well, you're you're unwilling and nobody else is...maybe you might want to look to that as possibly why organized-labor is shrinking.

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Because they are susceptible to propaganda. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #1
Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #3
Yes - Was Exactly My First Thought cantbeserious Jul 2013 #18
Especially any propaganda that portrays them as self-sufficient masters-of-their-own-domain. Squinch Jul 2013 #25
The media telling them what they should think liberal N proud Jul 2013 #27
+1 emulatorloo Jul 2013 #77
There is a problem in some places Jenoch Jul 2013 #2
When you make promises you keep them. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #5
I'm referring to local Jenoch Jul 2013 #6
I don't see what the problem is Bradical79 Jul 2013 #17
+1000 Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #10
I must disagree Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #9
Tough shit. These workers took concessions along the way in exchange for those pensions Doctor_J Jul 2013 #13
I agree. Dash87 Jul 2013 #30
The FAILURE of our Government to COLLECT taxes from Corporations/business/1% MichiganVote Jul 2013 #33
Thank you ellie Jul 2013 #38
Yes, and... GoCubsGo Jul 2013 #40
Thank you. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #62
Bull. Fucking. Shit. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #51
You know, I will talk to my locals nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #60
Once the retirement benefits are agreed on Enthusiast Jul 2013 #71
Gov. Corbett, is that you? Because you must've forgotten that WE PAID FOR THEM. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #74
That's something the Limbeciles seem to forget Doctor_J Jul 2013 #78
What a bunch of bs. Apophis Jul 2013 #75
Bullcrap. A talking point straight from the RMS. Doremus Jul 2013 #89
two reasons. years of repetitious propaganda & the fact that some unions are corrupt in HiPointDem Jul 2013 #4
Horror stories about incompetence being rewarded... Pelican Jul 2013 #7
I wish people would take a few minutes to think.. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #8
+1 n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #37
Cold War Propaganda plus media brainwashing Taft_Bathtub Jul 2013 #11
+1 Populist_Prole Jul 2013 #12
Like most of the devolution of the US, it can be traced to Big Media Doctor_J Jul 2013 #14
Their talking points are more extensive than bluedeathray Jul 2013 #15
Two reasons--It takes some balls to strike for decent wages and benefits, and.... dmosh42 Jul 2013 #16
Right wing/anti-Communist-Socialist/class warfare propaganda Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #19
And a low IQ Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #39
You can't trust reader comments. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #20
They know nothing about the history of labor. Ilsa Jul 2013 #21
You got it exactly Dantheman65 Jul 2013 #35
PsyOps and disinfo TransitJohn Jul 2013 #22
Raised WOBBLY here, and disappointed ... mntleo2 Jul 2013 #23
Your grandfather had good worker wisdom there.. Pholus Jul 2013 #26
Yes, this is why some resent teachers all right ... mntleo2 Jul 2013 #36
that is heartbreaking jollyreaper2112 Jul 2013 #28
Not only did this happen, they got rewarded and promoted! mntleo2 Jul 2013 #43
For the same reason that the pots in which you boil crabs don't need lids. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #53
LOL! Something for nothing ... mntleo2 Jul 2013 #61
self centered, in that the inconvenience of the strike impacts them treestar Jul 2013 #24
I am confused because you seemed to be against the BART strike in you LBN thread maddezmom Jul 2013 #29
Yeah, I'd like some more explanation about that too. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #63
jealousy handmade34 Jul 2013 #31
Exactly right. GoCubsGo Jul 2013 #41
I am 64 years old. All my life radio and TV have aired about rurallib Jul 2013 #32
IMO: Unions need to evolve & improve their messaging. Also the propaganda think Jul 2013 #34
It needed to be said. I'd highlight a further problem. Chan790 Jul 2013 #47
Thank you for the input. think Jul 2013 #50
work on the message - exactly Locrian Jul 2013 #48
Just how are they going to "improve their message" when Big Business own ALL of the media Doctor_J Jul 2013 #79
I did mention social media. And yes it's very tough when the M$M controls the knobs think Jul 2013 #83
I can't speak for everywhere Sgent Jul 2013 #42
where Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #52
Propaganda, jealousy, and/or lack of information MillennialDem Jul 2013 #44
same reason people fear the bogyman markiv Jul 2013 #45
Reagan was Screen Actor's Guild president (a Union), and a Democrat markiv Jul 2013 #46
'be a good worker' -> that's what tech workers did markiv Jul 2013 #49
Same thing the VFX people in Hollywood are going through now. Chan790 Jul 2013 #54
In my industry abelenkpe Jul 2013 #55
I think mostly because so few people belong to one today ... frazzled Jul 2013 #56
People hate unions - until they join one leftstreet Jul 2013 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #57
Personally, I drive a couple Chevys Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #67
Uh huh. Bye. Thanks MIRT uppityperson Jul 2013 #68
the right has done a good job at falsely portraying union workers as lazy. dionysus Jul 2013 #58
They are bombarded with anti-union propagada from the M$M n/t usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #59
You posted anti-strike editorial on your BART story in LBN. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #65
From personal experience telclaven Jul 2013 #66
Example of contrived anti-labor propaganda. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #76
Yeah I think he pulled that off of FoxNation or Glenn Beck Doctor_J Jul 2013 #82
Contrived? telclaven Jul 2013 #86
Here's the deal, one that you don't seem to recognize. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #87
Don't believe I said either of those quotes telclaven Jul 2013 #91
And I knew you would say that about the quotes. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #94
It's a word NoGOPZone Jul 2013 #92
you sound like someone whose worst expectations were fulfilled librechik Jul 2013 #81
M'kay, whatever telclaven Jul 2013 #85
Man if these morons think the workers are striking because they have a "good job with good pay"... Initech Jul 2013 #69
They have been subjected to the most massive propaganda campaign in all of history. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #70
Two reasons: corruption/nepotism, and the sense that "Unions got theirs and aren't helping me" Recursion Jul 2013 #72
Greed and stupidity would be my first thoughts. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #73
Highly successful propaganda programs, if not psyops. n/t librechik Jul 2013 #80
Unions have done a great job of raising working standards and wages for Americans, however... DrewFlorida Jul 2013 #84
Colonized minds roody Jul 2013 #88
I can't speak for the rest of the country but..... justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #90
because they have had bad experiences with unions?? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #93
Propaganda Marrah_G Jul 2013 #95
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