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Eleanors38

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75. Very weak dodge, very disingenuousness....

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:04 AM

Jul 2013

NOTE TO JURORS: This is not an attack on this poster, though she continues DU-legitimized attacks on pro-2A posters. You may wish to "DELETE" this thread as this poster has suggested that the entire Second Amendment be "DELETED," all the while claiming she is not a gun banner. Please reference posts upstream to gain a sense of the shifting, glancing even disingenuous nature of her positions.

FURTHER NOTE TO JURORS: The poster in question stakes out a position of "DELETING" the 2A, but claims not to be "working for it." This would seem to suggest either:

(1) A crude political deception global in scope, or

(2) Her commitment to gun bans pales in significance when compared to her evident desire to treat the issues as sport.

Or quite possibly both.

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Gun-maker airlifts 20,000 extended magazines into Colorado ahead of ban [View all] Playinghardball Jun 2013 OP

Pushback. Wonder how it will end up. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #1

Good for them. nt Llewlladdwr Jun 2013 #2

I would call 30 round mags standard, not extended aikoaiko Jun 2013 #3

Maybe they were dropping the new 40's ileus Jul 2013 #33

Forgive my ignorance but I would think as a civilian if you've gotten into a situation where you Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #4

I regularly use 30 round mags at the range. Llewlladdwr Jun 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #6

the exertion required to reload BainsBane Jun 2013 #9

I try not to demonize people but I do wonder why not shoot Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #10

Or take a few seconds to reload BainsBane Jun 2013 #11

See that bugs me because they always claim to be the good law abiding Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #12

That's a fiction BainsBane Jun 2013 #13

That's why I don't debate them half the team I get words put in my mouth Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #14

There is no point BainsBane Jun 2013 #16

Look whos talking. beevul Jun 2013 #21

What's the problem? BainsBane Jun 2013 #22

Not at all. beevul Jun 2013 #23

Fortunately for the rational-minded types on this issue... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #25

"rational" privileges guns over human life? BainsBane Jul 2013 #29

Unlike gun nuts BainsBane Jul 2013 #28

"I don't advocate breaking it because I don't like what it says." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #47

Surely, you are not trying to equate your poor gun plight to the real civil rights movement. Hoyt Jul 2013 #59

Do you? beevul Jul 2013 #66

Trying to equate gun nuts with Civil Rights is repulsive BainsBane Jul 2013 #88

The discussion was about whether people obey ALL the laws or just the ones they agree with. beevul Jul 2013 #127

"...38,000 homicides each and every year." Jenoch Jul 2013 #111

Uh, banes, there is the response you wanted: Your own words. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #44

I suggest you try reading BainsBane Jul 2013 #70

Very weak dodge, very disingenuousness.... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #75

Are you having a conversation with me or potential jurors BainsBane Jul 2013 #86

Note to jurors? BainsBane Jul 2013 #71

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #76

What "gross deception" BainsBane Jul 2013 #87

Great response to that OP. tosh Jul 2013 #126

That would be the thread where you accused me of breaking the law and then (to your credit) Rod Walker Jul 2013 #48

Oh, you poor thing BainsBane Jul 2013 #55

When training for the military or self defense, the debate... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #43

See that's my question tho what is the average Joe defending themselves against that they need such Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #49

If the data on why people have guns is correct, Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #79

Forgive me because this is the city in me coming out are feral hogs that big of a problem Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #82

So what do you offer in trade? clffrdjk Jul 2013 #83

Actually I believe police should be covered under the same restrictions Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #84

FWIW - general sale, and use, of full autos is pretty small. jmg257 Jul 2013 #97

Did not know that I figured that it was a fairly small percentage that own them Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #99

I guarantee you if there was similiar production allowed and similiar controls jmg257 Jul 2013 #100

Forgive me if I'm wrong because I will admit I know very little of guns Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #103

Well- there is a pretty distinct class known as "semi-auto". jmg257 Jul 2013 #106

So would you support a limit on the mag size with an exception for 30 round Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #109

Personally? I have no real issues with 10 round mag limits for all. jmg257 Jul 2013 #110

I agree competition usage is definitely not the biggest priority Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #113

Yep - 10rnds should work, mags have been made already, etc. nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #114

So do you own guns at all Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #117

Yes, I do. nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #120

Okay I was asking because it seems reasonable control can be reached Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #121

One would think so. But don't underestimate fear and selfishness. jmg257 Jul 2013 #122

The last time a fully-auto Jenoch Jul 2013 #116

The range I shoot at is on property I own. Jenoch Jul 2013 #115

Just what we need, thousands of yahoos acting like our city streets are war zones. Hoyt Jul 2013 #61

"war zones?" You mean Chi & Baltimore in certain hoods? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #80

Actually I don't "Eleanors 38 special pistol." Is that the only place you tote your beloved guns? Hoyt Jul 2013 #81

Chicago doesn't crack the top ten of the country's most BainsBane Jul 2013 #89

Actually Chicago is number 1 in "violent crime" EX500rider Jul 2013 #124

It's number 16 BainsBane Jul 2013 #125

Exactly. Apophis Jun 2013 #15

Given the distaste for physical exertion BainsBane Jun 2013 #18

This made me lol. Apophis Jun 2013 #19

they are cowards Skittles Jul 2013 #31

How many of 80,000,000 fellow Americans do you consider cowardly? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #45

are you implying Skittles Jul 2013 #54

Rifle and pistol magazines are both covered NickB79 Jul 2013 #57

LOLOL Skittles Jul 2013 #62

Some of them, yeah NickB79 Jul 2013 #63

sorry, me no gun humper Skittles Jul 2013 #64

I am stating: You haven't answered. How many of 80 million? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #73

If someone feels a need to be armed to leave the house BainsBane Jul 2013 #72

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #74

How many of billh58 Sep 2013 #144

Do you shoot recreationally? Abq_Sarah Jul 2013 #68

too rational for gungeoneers BainsBane Jun 2013 #8

Home invasion stats RGR375 Jul 2013 #51

Again 17 shots fired for 4-5 people is excessive Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #52

I see the customers are already standing in line. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #7

Merchants of death. moondust Jun 2013 #17

Sick, sick, sick........ alittlelark Jun 2013 #20

counselors are standing by to help those who cant their gun jollies in time nt msongs Jul 2013 #24

Remember all the people freaking out about the 3-D gun a while back? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #26

that child is scary-looking ZRT2209 Jul 2013 #27

Funny--20-round mags were good enough for us in the combat Infantry in Vietnam pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #30

Until the army determined that 30 was even better. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #34

For wartime combat. nt pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #36

I support magazine size limits hack89 Jul 2013 #37

That's a good start, hack pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #38

It is comments like yours that explain why gun control is struggling hack89 Jul 2013 #40

Baby steps, hack. Baby steps. pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #41

So why should gun owners support you hack89 Jul 2013 #42

Pinboy doesn't realize his role in keeping things the same. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #46

Well, the NRA is doing what they can to take care of that pesky BainsBane Jul 2013 #65

Remind me again... beevul Jul 2013 #67

You ask inconvenient questions, which will be ignored or talked around... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #69

Amazingly BainsBane Jul 2013 #136

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #139

In that case BainsBane Jul 2013 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jul 2013 #137

Here, I'll remind you again BainsBane Jul 2013 #91

Nope. Your own words said this... beevul Jul 2013 #128

This is a Democratic website BainsBane Jul 2013 #135

Non sequitur. beevul Jul 2013 #141

You mean like this? BainsBane Jul 2013 #138

Asking whether someone supports a thing... beevul Jul 2013 #142

That doesn't even pass the laugh test BainsBane Jul 2013 #143

Ah, it must be nice to not have to worry about personal attack, Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #77

30 round mags are standard issue for civilian police too aikoaiko Jul 2013 #50

Hope that kid moves on to loving another human, not just assault weapons. Hoyt Jul 2013 #32

Do you know this kid? pintobean Jul 2013 #39

Educated Guess Perhaps? otohara Jul 2013 #53

Exactly. Hoyt Jul 2013 #58

and they couldn't even find a picture of a magpul magazine... ileus Jul 2013 #35

One clarification.. non-profit doesn't mean charity. X_Digger Jul 2013 #56

Last bit of branding the marketers can get in to better fleece the sheep. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #60

A local RW nut posted on her facebook mountain grammy Jul 2013 #78

You are looking at push back. What do you have to respond with? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #85

There is NOTHING more important than human life BainsBane Jul 2013 #92

So which life is more important to you. oneshooter Jul 2013 #93

like Zimmermans or Trayvon Martin's? BainsBane Jul 2013 #95

Are either of them likly to attack you? oneshooter Jul 2013 #96

The greatest threat to my life is from guns BainsBane Jul 2013 #102

So answer the question. If you dare to. oneshooter Jul 2013 #107

If somebody attacked you on the sidewalk in front of your Jenoch Jul 2013 #118

No, it isn't- disease and accidents are far more likely to get you (or anyone else) friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #129

Not freedom, not liberty? Duckwraps Jul 2013 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckwraps Jul 2013 #105

Why is it "doomed to fail?' Why is it "unworkable?" mountain grammy Jul 2013 #94

If you want a "weapon of war" it requires a 20+ page form and a 6 month oneshooter Jul 2013 #98

These semi automatics with huge clips are designed for one purpose.. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #101

There are several posts on this thread Jenoch Jul 2013 #119

oh yeah, feral hogs, that's right. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #123

Just because it isn't what you want to hear doesn't mean it's wrong... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #130

Look, the level of gun violence in America is unacceptable. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #131

"(M)ilitary personnel and veterans" don't get to decide what the rest of us are allowed to do. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #132

I am happy to live in a state where the legislature does the will of the people mountain grammy Jul 2013 #133

I have no problem with that whatsoever. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #134

On a side note, a not for profit does not need to be a charitable organization joeglow3 Jul 2013 #90

LOL. Airlift my ass. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #108

Doesn't that just warm your heart...? kentuck Jul 2013 #112