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Tommy_Carcetti

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39. Pretty much so.

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:06 AM

Jul 2013

If the jury believes Zimmerman went out there meaning to confront and/or detain Trayvon, it would support a 2nd Degree charge.

If Zimmerman didn't necessarily mean to confront or detain Trayvon but he did go out knowing there was a good possibility of a physical confrontation, and he still chose to go out of his car, it supports manslaughter.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 7, Tuesday, July 2, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

Sereno recommended manslaughter charges for Zimmerman. RDANGELO Jul 2013 #1

I wouldn't think it would be, but I'm not a lawyer. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #3

Lesser included charge. And they can argue both consistently. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #5

Yes, the jury will get to choose for the lesser included charge, and Murder 2 chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #12

Pretty much so. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #39

True. But that is not the question that post#1 asks. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #44

it should raise doubt for the jury about self-defense, if Serino made such a recommendation. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #57

I agree, wrongful homicide ..or whatever the legal term is.. fits. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #82

"Slippery Slope" (DU Poster) Just Posted This Info ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #45

Interesting. Thanks. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #54

yes...it is in the official police report eom noiretextatique Jul 2013 #47

Let's get them out of the way early: "So now he's guilty already?" "I'll wait to hear all the WinkyDink Jul 2013 #2

+1 Roland99 Jul 2013 #4

Lol awesome nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #72

State objects to the defendant's questioning of Serino as to if he thought Zimmerman was truthful Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #6

Judge rules in prosecution's favor, asks the jury to disregard the question. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #8

I'm not a big Serino fan DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #9

I think Serino asked the right questions KurtNYC Jul 2013 #10

But he also said he found Zimmy to be truthful DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #11

Thx for this, that's material to his attitude uponit7771 Jul 2013 #13

Serino's questions and actions show that he did not believe parts of Zim's story KurtNYC Jul 2013 #15

It is a highly improper question Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #14

Plus he said he believed Zimmy couldn't possibly have profiled Martin DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #16

The judge's timid-sounding voice annoys me. (I'm easily annoyed.) WinkyDink Jul 2013 #7

for reference, transcript of tape they are playing bits of, Serino interrogation KurtNYC Jul 2013 #17

Prosecution is on fire now. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #18

You just knew yesterday when the defense asked Serino if chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #19

Zimmy is getting ripped to shreds this morning. Atman Jul 2013 #20

good.. I missed all of that and am glad to hear it. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #58

Thank you. Read last night there were only 3 streets and this is even worse. I wondered also about uppityperson Jul 2013 #129

Bernie's doing a pretty good job on re-direct of Serino. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #21

The defense "awoke a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #23

This one goes out to Mark O'Mara. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #22

Bernie's on fire today riverwalker Jul 2013 #24

I hope he jumps on this slim-jim crap! FarPoint Jul 2013 #27

I KNOW! Something found DAYS later?! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #29

Probably reading his reviews DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #30

Okay, O'Mara is basically now totally conceding and justifying Zimmerman was profiling. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #25

Oh good, defense points out that a black man was sentenced to 5 years chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #26

"Legally speaking, no."---"Was there anything wrong with Z's following TM?" CRIME isn't the POINT. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #28

Not sure what O'Mara's point is here, except to confuse the jury. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #31

If you look at the totality of Zimmerman's actions, it is Martin that should be concerned about his chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #32

Not just plausible, but logical. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #33

Where are the objections to these questions based on Z's IMPEACHABLE WORDS? This witness needs WinkyDink Jul 2013 #34

OMG. The Defense just got the witness to agree that Z was "trying to be accurate." WTH?! Z's WHOLE WinkyDink Jul 2013 #35

And he got Serino to agree that the evidence shows that Martin was leaning chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #36

And on re-re-direct just now, the "TM on top" scenario has been agreed to! The D.A. is WEAK. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #37

I wonder why the DA that did the opening avebury Jul 2013 #38

doesn't matter which one was on top TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #135

The witness is suppose to answer questions pintobean Jul 2013 #40

I agree, and mentioned the DA. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #42

Mark Osterman on now riverwalker Jul 2013 #41

it's all hearsay riverwalker Jul 2013 #49

"He told you, when he got Trayvon Martin's hands off his mouth,...." NO EVIDENCE TM did this! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #43

It's like the prosecution doesn't care...it's even partly helping the defense Roland99 Jul 2013 #46

Fascinating performance by a Z partisan....... korak Jul 2013 #53

the book author/best friend of Zimmerman? Roland99 Jul 2013 #55

Serinos interrogation is powerful, the mouth smothering peice is something the defense hasn't uponit7771 Jul 2013 #50

Ostermans story riverwalker Jul 2013 #48

+1,The tip of Z's nose was bleeding also, not the nostrils there's no sense that there was no blood uponit7771 Jul 2013 #51

Not true, premium Jul 2013 #56

I see blood on the tip of Z's NOSE, I don't nkow what you're looking at uponit7771 Jul 2013 #70

That's not my fault that you can't see what's obviously there. nt. premium Jul 2013 #83

She just said there was blood coming out of his nose. nt. premium Jul 2013 #94

Osterman's credibility....he writes a book about his best friends most life altering event Ninga Jul 2013 #52

Prosecution playing Sean Hannity interview w/Zim Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #59

Great, now we have to listen to Sean Hannity's smarmy little voice. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #60

This interview is really ticking me off. avebury Jul 2013 #65

Z tells Hannity riverwalker Jul 2013 #61

"I didn't think I hit him" vs. "He cried out, 'You got me!'" Which one, GEORGE? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #62

So, the death of Trayvon Martin was "God's plan". All-righty, then, Z! You lying PoS. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #63

"It was all God's plan" riverwalker Jul 2013 #64

I heard one pundit describe Prosecutor John Guy as reminiscent of a "young Kevin Costner" Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #66

The voice IS, even to the inflections! Ha! One role is cast.... WinkyDink Jul 2013 #68

I just hope he doesn't bring in his dad and ask him to play catch. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #85

Dr. Rao riverwalker Jul 2013 #67

Medical examiner testified that Zimmerman's injuries were "insignificant and not life threatening" Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #69

Zimmerman was "not incapacited in any way" post-shooting. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #71

ONE hit, not "dozens." WinkyDink Jul 2013 #73

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #76

Injuries not consistent with head being slammed repeatedly into concrete. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #81

+1, establishing what the FP said uponit7771 Jul 2013 #75

"Insignificant injuries" riverwalker Jul 2013 #74

Yeap, because they were in the same area of the head..that's pretty good uponit7771 Jul 2013 #77

A dictionary definition is hearsay - are avebury Jul 2013 #78

I think the prosecution willingly let that in. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #84

i like the way you think Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #89

sidebar now riverwalker Jul 2013 #79

not consistant with "slammed" riverwalker Jul 2013 #80

Do you know if he had a head xray or mri or anything? Union Scribe Jul 2013 #88

+1, I played football for 6 years...if the head was hit in the wrong place you're out... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #90

no Xray, no CT scan, no MRI riverwalker Jul 2013 #92

If they were 'wrestling' near/on the 'cement' as the lady last week put it, Myrina Jul 2013 #91

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #93

Rao's direct testimony was short and sweet. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #86

Desperate measure by the defense, she's the ME...we expect here to be related to the state uponit7771 Jul 2013 #87

Rao is coming off as a very strong witness, to me. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #95

Just Checked In Here... ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #98

"Why does the defense think his injuries were much more severe today?" Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #99

I See It That Way Myself... ChiciB1 Jul 2013 #108

Sure, a prosecutor could "throw" a case... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #109

this is getting ridiculous riverwalker Jul 2013 #96

why is the judge letting the defense go on with these stupid questions uponit7771 Jul 2013 #102

I don't think the prosecution minds. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #104

O'Mara tried to get her to say riverwalker Jul 2013 #97

It would be helpful if they could show injuries that were known to be caused KurtNYC Jul 2013 #101

But they've seen Bruce Willis movies, so they know it's not that bad! n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #106

Apparently Mark O'Mara never had a buzz cut in his life. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #103

Why is she testifying from photos? Ha! She just asked the same thing! Feh! He got"It's possible"s. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #100

The medical examiner is giving O'Mara heartburn! madaboutharry Jul 2013 #105

He got her to admit may more impacts possible ksoze Jul 2013 #107

I stepped away so can someone update me on what avebury Jul 2013 #110

they want to enter his college transcripts riverwalker Jul 2013 #112

How did the judge rule? avebury Jul 2013 #119

State is arguing to enter into evidence riverwalker Jul 2013 #111

No knowledge of SYG? Bullshit!! GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #136

this is what they are arguing riverwalker Jul 2013 #113

O'Mara: they have to show he was in the class n/t riverwalker Jul 2013 #115

Not really. Apparently Z denied (to Hannity) even HEARING of SYG. Please. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #122

The defense is objecting to the next witness because it will show Zimmerman lied.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #114

Prosecution: He had the text book riverwalker Jul 2013 #116

The evidence should be allowed to be avebury Jul 2013 #121

Fox commentator: "Can of Arizona ice tea = deadly weapon." anneboleyn Jul 2013 #117

Fox News, go home, you're drunk. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #123

Here's some conjecture Deny and Shred Jul 2013 #118

Not at all crazy. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #120

Makes eminent sense to me. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #125

walking suspiciously riverwalker Jul 2013 #124

walking suspiciously = walking while black Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #127

"he was looking at houses" riverwalker Jul 2013 #130

If there are class attendance records, or even proof that Z was there on Day 1 when the syllabus was WinkyDink Jul 2013 #126

sounds like the Professor is there riverwalker Jul 2013 #128

they will decide in the morning riverwalker Jul 2013 #131

They're baaaaack. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #132

Kristen Benson, finger print expert. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #133

Slightly off-topic, but I seem to recall seeing a live captioned stream version of the trial... Mr. David Jul 2013 #134