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(620 posts) Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:10 AM Jul 2013

Cenk Uygur on Melissa Harris-Perry: Obama Loyalists Attack Snowden... For Not Being MLK?! [View all]

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Cenk Uygur on Melissa Harris-Perry: Obama Loyalists Attack Snowden... For Not Being MLK?! [View all] NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 OP

What we're seeing is classic Authoritarian Personality Disorder. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #1

I just don't understand the blatant hypocrisy. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #2

To be somewhat fair, Bush circumvented the court and had warrantless wiretapping. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #5

So Obama gets a BS warrant that covers everyone and now it's all good? n/t NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #7

A warrant that covers everyone? You don't need a warrant for metadata, but you do for wiretapping JaneyVee Jul 2013 #9

You *do* need a warrant for metadata. That's why FISA was involved to begin with. SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #10

And we know what a tough check-and-balance those secret FISA "courts" are! villager Jul 2013 #76

Oh, I absolutely agree with you, and have said so many times in quite a few threads. I was SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #89

I know -- but it's sort of "warrant in name only" at this point villager Jul 2013 #90

Agreed, but the previous poster said that no warrant was needed at all. Even under SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #93

right. "technically" villager Jul 2013 #94

26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #65

there is a demand for that Enrique Jul 2013 #15

For them, it doesn't matter whether the next president is Christie, Jeb Bush, or Clinton. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #27

Idiotic (robotic talking point) statement of the decade. aquart Jul 2013 #56

You like authoritarians who support the super-rich, job outsourcing, endless wars, ... AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #58

Full of unsupported assumptions, I see. aquart Jul 2013 #60

Have you ever been unhappy with authoritarians who support the super-rich, job outsourcing, endless AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #63

fuck ron paul arely staircase Jul 2013 #28

Bush should have been impeached for his illegal wiretapping Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #37

Imagine if Bush claimed the right to execute US citizens without a trial? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author arely staircase Jul 2013 #26

Whose? Snowden's? aquart Jul 2013 #53

Spying SamKnause Jul 2013 #3

But he IS Paul Revere and Daniel Ellsberg rolled into one! randome Jul 2013 #4

And you demonstrate the OP to be amazingly on point. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #6

They have been reduced to a parody of themselves. bvar22 Jul 2013 #39

Snowden is not relevant to me but here's Ellsberg opinion of him: NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #8

Sorry, Ellsberg is wrong. randome Jul 2013 #12

Plus he recorded that a week ago before he no doubt realized flamingdem Jul 2013 #16

I provided a response to your request in your thread and you ignored it. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #18

I viewed what you posted, thanks flamingdem Jul 2013 #19

Please find and post a statement from Ellsberg critical of Snowden's asylum requests. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #23

I don't think we'll see it for a while flamingdem Jul 2013 #24

I talked with Ellsberg on Sunday while marching (well - he rode) together in the Bradley Manning Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #83

You have no idea what exactly he has. No one seems to know that. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #29

You're right. I don't. I'm only going by what's been released so far. randome Jul 2013 #49

The docs show the classic fascist marriage of morningfog Jul 2013 #41

They do nothing of the sort. randome Jul 2013 #51

What about the Internet Corporations listed across the top of this document? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #52

Do we need to do this again? randome Jul 2013 #54

If you're remedial then repeat yourself. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #64

You're conflating the PowerPoint slide about Internet Providers with the telecom data. randome Jul 2013 #68

lol - twisting in the wind you are... how about 26 senators saying the NSA is SPYING on Americans? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #70

They are demanding answers. A 'demand' is 'evidence'? randome Jul 2013 #74

There is plenty of evidence, you just refuse to see for some reason usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #75

I was working under the assumption that you morningfog Jul 2013 #79

Perhaps you could point me to the contention I responded to. randome Jul 2013 #87

26 Sens.: NSA is relying on a "secret body of law" to collect massive amounts of data on US citizens usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #67

Demanding answers is hardly proof of anything. randome Jul 2013 #72

Glad to see Ellsberg speaking out so forcefully on this, woo me with science Jul 2013 #20

He started a petition: G_j Jul 2013 #34

Many people cite Ellsberg in their criticism of Snowden and don't even know where he stands on him. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #38

Obama is right. Obama is right. Obama is right. Boring and useless. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #11

she was one of the originators of the "racist" meme frylock Jul 2013 #14

What drives me crazy is that she KNOWS better just like the posters here. n/t NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #17

Watching MSNBC during this period is what it must have been like to watch Fox during the Bush years. The Link Jul 2013 #13

Interesting comment. Skidmore Jul 2013 #22

Don't watch Fox. Don't have cable. Experience through hearsay, which I trust. The Link Jul 2013 #25

K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #21

You mean Cenk the "former" Republican doesn't respect MHP? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #30

He's more consistent than the "I'm a Blue Dog" and "Moderate Republican of the 80's" Democrat n/t. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #32

I'm not surprised Cenk doesn't care much for MHP or Pres. Obama. It's in his DNA. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #47

It just so happens that you have problems with people that have been critical of Obama NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #62

But enough about me. Nothing about Cenk's sudden & inexplicable conversion? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #66

You reply makes no sense. You can't refute the argument so you attack the messenger. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #69

Moving On! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #77

Well our President calls himself a moderate republican now. What can we assume about his motives? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #80

What you don't get is that there was never an argument to be had. I know who Cenk is. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #86

How about Obama's works? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #88

Ad hominem attack much? KeepItReal Jul 2013 #33

Nope. I stand by every word. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #43

boooooring usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #73

If that's true, then win a fuckin' national election, why doncha? "Authoritarians & Totalitarians"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #78

we all have a role to play, mine is not in comforting them in their wrong-doing usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #81

Go win an election, then we might have something to talk about. Until then..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #85

Well, my Democratic Senators are pressing this Patriot Act Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #91

It's always nice to see MLK and Rosa Parks used to defend the abuses of the powerful. JVS Jul 2013 #31

MHP started to lose me when she defended PDittie Jul 2013 #35

A lot of people believed that GWB wouldn't win. NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #42

Yes, Magic 8 Ball say PDittie Jul 2013 #50

Cenk nails it... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #36

You defenders conveniently forget the 4 laptops & the little tryst with China & Russia, don't you? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #44

You'd charge Ellsberg for the binders and paperclips he used to collect the Pentagon papers. n/t NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #46

Ellsberg didn't run off to China and tell them what we were doing in Vietnam. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #82

Dear Ignored... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #45

As I expected, you completely evade the issue that's troubling even the most ardent Snowden.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #84

I do not always agree with every decision Obama makes or every statement but since he Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #48

He gave up a pole dancer - what else do they want? lame54 Jul 2013 #55

Funny how neither Edward nor Lindsay seem to be pining for one another. randome Jul 2013 #57

Cenk Uygur is Wrong gholtron Jul 2013 #59

You can disagree but how do you disagree with yourself based on who's in office? NOVA_Dem Jul 2013 #61

How.can I disagree with myself based on who is in office? gholtron Jul 2013 #71

well, to be precise, the statements by the two hacks reorg Jul 2013 #92