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In reply to the discussion: Has U.S. Commited "ACT of WAR" against our Alies by Hacking into their systems to SPY? Pentagon: YES [View all]KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...cellphone and telephone companies in foreign countries keep phone meta records similar to American phone companies...in many countries the phone company is owned by the government. How cozy is that? All we know that is proven...not some speculation via Snowden...is that the NSA can gather meta data of what appears on your phone bill...data that has long been collected by your phone company. It requires a warrant, which it didn't prior to the passing of the 2007 FISA act and from all that's been reported the law has been followed.
That said...I've been a strong opponent to the Patriot act and am not happy in how intrusive the government has become in phone and internet traffic, but I'm also a far greater opponent of the intrusion corporates make into our lives. I'm far less concerned with some spook checking to see who I've called and when than some doofus at a bank who messes up my credit report that can have some real world implications in my life...or sell my personal data that is then used to spam me with stuff I have no interest in.
All countries have some kind of surveillance internally and externally. You don't think the Chinese, whose government censors the internet, hasn't been involved in all sorts of spying on its own citizens foreign and domestic (meaning those residing in the U.S.). We don't know the extent of how countries spy on one another and what Snowden has revealed is, as many others have noted, factually, is nothing that hasn't been known publicly to those who paid attention to the FISA hearings back when the bill was enacted...the rest of his narrative remains to be proven...as I've said, all speculation.
Cheers...