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130. The really scary thing is that there is NO OPPOSITION PARTY!!!

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:36 PM

Jul 2013

The Leadership of BOTH dominant Political parties are in Complete Agreement about enhancing and protecting the Surveillance/State Security Apparatus of our Government
without oversight or redress by the American citizenry.

There IS a wing of the Democratic Party that is expressing "concern",
but that wing has been effectively marginalized and Taught-a-Lesson by the Obama Administration.

[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

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I'm gobsmacked that this post seems to be necessary: A Presentation of Godwin's Law: [View all] baldguy Jul 2013 OP

Yeah, you think defense lawyers are somehow tainted with their clients crimes. sibelian Jul 2013 #1

exactly!! quinnox Jul 2013 #4

. baldguy Jul 2013 #5

As you note, this name calling gets ridiculous but also note Skidmore Jul 2013 #9

Are you kidding? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #28

It took me a while to figure out Skidmore Jul 2013 #29

Then, as I mentioned, there's the bonus stupid. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #33

Apparently I annoyed two more people yesterday enough Jenoch Jul 2013 #127

KnR Hekate Jul 2013 #2

"stalin" and Stasi" and not covered by Godwin's Law... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #3

they don't violate the letter, but certainly the spirit of Godwin's Law. arely staircase Jul 2013 #11

No actually they don't violate spirit or letter. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #75

Okay. So, other than the NSA and the Stasi, Pholus Jul 2013 #154

yes nebenaube Jul 2013 #80

Quibble... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #6

No it isn't. baldguy Jul 2013 #8

I didn't say anything about Obama Scootaloo Jul 2013 #10

yeah, but wouldn't it be more effective to say something like arely staircase Jul 2013 #13

Does the Awlaki and the drone list count? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #12

Give it time 90-percent Jul 2013 #49

Plus a brazillion! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #123

The really scary thing is that there is NO OPPOSITION PARTY!!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #130

How would anyone know whether he has sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #61

The American state continues to imprison many people without trial in Guantanamo muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #128

So then is having a military treestar Jul 2013 #58

Well, depending on what the military DOES... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #68

The Stasi treestar Jul 2013 #74

Or what, you'll disappear me? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #85

LOL treestar Jul 2013 #89

Except for the massive surveilance, of course. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #93

Even the brief Wikipedia article above treestar Jul 2013 #97

But you have no proof that the NSA *DOESN'T* have janitors spying on us!!! baldguy Jul 2013 #101

I've been suspicious of the janitor treestar Jul 2013 #107

Actually now we spy on ourselves buying our own bugs and trackers. dkf Jul 2013 #103

:shrug: Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #90

All of the technology might have made it easier for them treestar Jul 2013 #91

You no longer need physical informants, networks do that work newthinking Jul 2013 #116

Except our military was used to attack and invade an innocent country. Octafish Jul 2013 #81

That is not the issue treestar Jul 2013 #92

I'll be gobsmacked. I thought we were talking about using the word NAZI to describe today. Octafish Jul 2013 #96

Holy cow, that is not applicable at all treestar Jul 2013 #98

You're not convincing me. I remain as truedelphi Jul 2013 #158

Yes it is. and those who most totally understand the STASI, truedelphi Jul 2013 #157

Even happens on banjo forums occasionally. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #7

lol arely staircase Jul 2013 #15

The comments are generally inane siligut Jul 2013 #95

it is hard to parody arely staircase Jul 2013 #112

Hell, even from your post I can tell that the moon landing was, in fact, hand-drawn siligut Jul 2013 #113

Thats not what happens on the banjo blogs dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #147

Bwahahaha! I'm with Mel Brooks... dogknob Jul 2013 #39

don't know why I laughed… but I did. Banjo forums get ugly… who knew? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #83

Left-handed yet! Amazing! nt COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #146

"quisling" can be used without any Nazi connections, at least, Merriam-Webster thinks so quinnox Jul 2013 #14

you and I are miles apart on the whole snowden thing arely staircase Jul 2013 #18

yea, I agree quinnox Jul 2013 #22

See how much we really agree on. But we hiss & spit at each other like cats KittyWampus Jul 2013 #84

Vidkun Quisling †1945 Norwegian politician who collaborated with the Nazis baldguy Jul 2013 #19

right, that is the origin of the word quinnox Jul 2013 #20

Blasphemer!!!! JoePhilly Jul 2013 #16

Names or it didn't happen. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #17

Ah, but that could be construed as a call-out. baldguy Jul 2013 #21

How could it be a call-out if you have links to the posts? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #25

Here are two. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #31

I read the OP to mean the OP himself was the one called a Nazi. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #36

From the OP: OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #38

From your post: "when talking about your fellow DUers" cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #94

Yeah, they're outing themselves as Cha Jul 2013 #43

We should demand proof that the Stasi was treestar Jul 2013 #59

aside from using it as a personal accusation G_j Jul 2013 #23

I agree with your take on this. truedelphi Jul 2013 #159

What strikes me is how CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #24

It's a sympton of Snowden chauvanists losing. baldguy Jul 2013 #27

LOL, If you don't agree with meeeeeeeeee, you are a pro-authoritarian totalitarian supporting the FSogol Jul 2013 #26

Perfectly depicted!1 n/t UTUSN Jul 2013 #164

Question. Cleita Jul 2013 #30

+1 Electric Monk Jul 2013 #37

Where are President Obama's concentration camps? baldguy Jul 2013 #47

Have you heard about our privatized prison system? Cleita Jul 2013 #51

A prison is not a death camp. And Joe Arpaio is not Barack Obama. baldguy Jul 2013 #52

So what were the "death" camps? Cleita Jul 2013 #60

Abu Ghraib was closed in 2006. Pres Obama has been trying to close Gitmo since he got into office. baldguy Jul 2013 #69

Doesn't matter when it was closed. What matters is that it existed at all. Cleita Jul 2013 #70

A concentration camp also isn't a death camp. Those were next door, in some cases. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #66

. baldguy Jul 2013 #71

Does accuracy surprise you to the point of "Wow, just wow"? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #79

Concentration camps in Nazi Germany were an integral part of a industrialized infrustructure baldguy Jul 2013 #82

My assertions aren't assertions. They're rock-solid facts, not subject to debate. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #132

So, you accept 1930s Nazi propaganda on whether they were "concentration camps" vs "death camps" baldguy Jul 2013 #138

I don't accept Nazi propaganda, and I don't accept US government propaganda DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #139

. baldguy Jul 2013 #140

Now I find out I'm arguing with someone at the picture book level. Jesus Christ. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #141

So, in the "concentration camps" killing people was just a secondary function? baldguy Jul 2013 #143

$100 DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #144

Typical Paulbot. You see Nazis everywhere & think everything can be solved with money. baldguy Jul 2013 #145

Oh Zippy...there's a wager waiting for you. Don't be afraid. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #148

If your "concentration camps" weren't designed to kill people, then why did they have gas chambers? baldguy Jul 2013 #149

ShinyPateMan, you're acting cowardly in the face of a challenge DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #161

Poor Paulbot. I have not "insinuated" anything other than you're clueless. baldguy Jul 2013 #165

Here you go: 20 links proving my assertion is correct, and that you're not DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #167

"... it is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." baldguy Jul 2013 #170

Looks like Baldguy tried a frivolous alert after losing the argument. Again, he failed. appal_jack Jul 2013 #151

Supreme Irony DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #160

However, you need to look at the perspective. truedelphi Jul 2013 #155

You seriously have not a clue what you are talking about oberliner Jul 2013 #118

I seriously do have a clue. Birkenau=Auschwitz II. Read all about it. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #120

They're all over the place 90-percent Jul 2013 #53

If he had any it would be classified. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #65

+100 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #72

Right on. Thank you. 840high Jul 2013 #78

Trying to shush everyone makes me a bit suspicious. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #125

Rock on Cleita. wtmusic Jul 2013 #156

Twice. From cover to cover. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #168

I know. It's too bad it isn't required reading in high school. Cleita Jul 2013 #169

Technically speaking, Gore1FL Jul 2013 #32

But Godwin's Law has morphed into a way to censer people. zeemike Jul 2013 #46

Yes. It is as if "fascism" is something in the past truebluegreen Jul 2013 #77

“He who controls the past controls the future zeemike Jul 2013 #86

+1 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #88

And let's not forget to add epithets of racism. pa28 Jul 2013 #34

Godwin's Law is some Vichyite bullshit that can kiss my ass dogknob Jul 2013 #35

Goebbels actually learned propaganda from an American in the Hoover Administration. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #40

Also, Hitler writes over and over again in his tome "Mein Kampf" that he Cleita Jul 2013 #41

The "rebranding" guy... yes. dogknob Jul 2013 #45

what the nazis did was legal according to their self made laws. comparing status to status is not a msongs Jul 2013 #42

Where are President Obama's concentration camps? baldguy Jul 2013 #44

Ever hear of GITMO? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #54

Quislings, lackeys, collaborators, trying to take a short-cut to shut down discussion. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #48

Who decides who is a "democrat in good standing"? quakerboy Jul 2013 #50

The piece of internet tomfoolery called Godwin's 'law' serves the Nazis and should Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #55

Pretty much. If a friend giving me a ride is doing 75 mph and accelerating... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #108

baldguy, You previously said: "If it goose-steps like a duck, & "Seig Heils" like a duck..." Melinda Jul 2013 #56

From 2005? Are you kidding? baldguy Jul 2013 #99

Umm, no. Your words. You don't own your words? What's changed? Melinda Jul 2013 #100

Barack Obama is not Adolf Hitler. And Barack Obama is not George W Bush, either. baldguy Jul 2013 #102

Umm, wrong on this count too. You'll not find a post from me disparging President Obama. Melinda Jul 2013 #105

........And CHECKMATE! bvar22 Jul 2013 #129

Wow! A thing of beauty! Puglover Jul 2013 #150

lol usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #106

/thread Hydra Jul 2013 #134

Are you some kind of Nazi Nazi? hootinholler Jul 2013 #57

Nice post, Hitler Jamastiene Jul 2013 #62

Lol! NealK Jul 2013 #109

Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #63

Nice post, Goebbels. rug Jul 2013 #64

Godwin's Law sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #67

"Greek philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle actually used a wider notion of analogy. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #73

Trying to ruin their day, or what?? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #76

I saw a "good German" post from a renowned imbecile here. Those posts are my absolute favorite after Number23 Jul 2013 #87

I bet Hitler woud be pleased to see your explanation of Godwin's law BlueStreak Jul 2013 #104

Godwin's law is not a law. It is an assertion which folks are free to take or leave TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #110

I agree with your OP. But are you saying there is "never" a time to use the comparison? Lint Head Jul 2013 #111

The irony of this self-righteous post is that Godwin's law is merely a claim of probability. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #114

Is this some new form of Holocaust denial? reusrename Jul 2013 #115

Is this some new form of Obama Derangement Syndrome? baldguy Jul 2013 #117

What the hell does Obama have to do with any of this? reusrename Jul 2013 #119

Why bother reading the OP? baldguy Jul 2013 #121

Ah, I think I see where you are coming from now. reusrename Jul 2013 #122

There can be elements of fascism that do not equate to Nazism. morningfog Jul 2013 #124

The problem is that Goodwins Law IS a Logical FAIL in and of itself. bvar22 Jul 2013 #126

uh...Godwin's "Law" isn't a scientific law, it's just a clever, memorable way to express something yurbud Jul 2013 #131

Godwin's Law is complete and utter bollocks, used by weak-minded people that can't win an argument.. truebrit71 Jul 2013 #133

You're just saying that because Glenn said so. baldguy Jul 2013 #135

Nope, actually I've been saying that for years... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #136

First rule of Oppression Club: Don't talk about Oppression Club. dogknob Jul 2013 #142

Let's not get too hung up on names here nolabels Jul 2013 #137

This from the guy who called me a whacked out corporatist Paulite libertarian or something. Pholus Jul 2013 #152

What does the observation that in online discussions, Nazi-comparisons will inevitably be made Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #153

It's a corollary to Godwin's Law that was added over time. It's nonsense. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #162

Glad to see I'm not the only one thinking that. nt Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #163

as it stands, it's really nothing more than a very trendy, very popular internet meme LanternWaste Jul 2013 #166

Internet memes equal intelligent discourse. Check. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #171

If one cannot examine history and relate certain aspects of it boston bean Jul 2013 #172

seems a feeble attempt to limit, label, or perhaps censor azurnoir Jul 2013 #173