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blue neen

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39. In post 20 you are saying that we should trust the state to take care of regulating fracking.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 08:02 PM
Feb 2012

The reason the EPA is investigating Dimock is because the DEP (STATE agency) did not properly do its job. So, now you're okay with the EPA having to intervene here because the state, in fact, did not protect the citizens of Dimock. That's quite a contradiction.

Yes, we do agree that we need more rigorous standards and enforcement of said standards. Tom Corbett and his Oil and Gas Company buddies have rigged the game in Pennsylvania, and the regulations will not occur. It WILL NOT be rectified in Pennsylvania until we get this ass clown out of office.

You would possibly feel differently about fracking if these chemicals (among others) were going to go directly under your house:

2,2-Dibromo-3-Nitrilopropionamide
2-methyl-4-isothiazolin-3-one
Acetic Acid
Acetic Anhydride
Acetylene
Alcohol Ethoxylated
Alkyl benzene sulfonic acid
Ammonia (aqueous)
Ammonium Bifluoride
Ammonium Persulfate
Ammonium Bisulfite
Ammonium chloride
Ammonium Salt (alkylpolyether sulfate)
Amorphous silica
Benzoic Acid
Boric Acid
Boric Oxide
Calcium Chloride
Calcium Oxide
Choline Chloride
Cinnamaldehyde
Citric Acid
Complex polyamine salt
Crystalline Silica:
Crystalline Silica: Quartz
Cupric chloride dihydrate
Cured resin
Cyclohexanes
Dazomet
Diethylene
Enzyme GBL-8X
EO-C7-9-iso-, C8 rich-alcohols
EO-C9-11-iso-, C10-rich alcohols
Ethoxylated Alcohol
Ethyl Acetate
Ethyl Alcohol
Ethylbenzene
Ethylbenzene
Ethylene Glycol
Formic Acid
Gluconic Acid
Glutaraldehyde
Glycerol
Glycol Ethers
Guar Gum
Hydrochloric Acid
Hydrochloric Acid 3% – 35%
Isopropanol
Isopropyl Alcohol
Methanol
Methyl Alcohol
Methyl Salicylate
Nitrilotriacetamide
Phenolic Resin
Polyethylene Glycol
Polyethylene Glycol Mixture
Polyoxylalkylene sulfate
Polysaccharide Blend
Potassium Carbonate
Potassium Chloride
Potassium Hydroxide
Propargyl Alcohol
Propylene Glycol
Silica
Sodium Bicarbonate
Sodium Bromide
Sodium Hydroxide
Sodium Persulphate
Sodium Xylene Sulfonate
Sulfuric Acid
Surfactants
Talc Adomite Aqua
Tetrakis(hydroxymethyl)phosphonium sulfate
Tetramethyl ammonium Chloride
Trimethyloctadecylammonium chloride

Quite a number of these are known carcinogens, or regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act, or listed as hazardous air pollutants under the Clean Air Act. Oh, and yes, maybe a doctor would need to know the makeup of fracking fluid to treat a patient. Why would any doctor have to keep information about toxic and poisonous substances that are a danger to the general public confidential? That reason could only be to protect the Gas Industry.

You're interested in investments. Well, for most of us the major investment of our lives has been in our homes and property. Once these fracking poisons come anywhere near your property, the property value immediately goes down...and we don't even get a freaking choice about it.

You are getting to choose your investments and have the freedom to do so. People who invest in pipelines need to know that the Marcellus Shale industry is infringing on the basic rights of American citizens and taking away our freedoms, forcing misery on millions of people, decimating wildlife, and polluting our environment.

All that just to ship oil and gas to China.

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The law seems reasonable and fair to me badtoworse Feb 2012 #1
Hopefully ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #2
Have they even commented on it? badtoworse Feb 2012 #4
Huh....!!?? CanSocDem Feb 2012 #3
The law mandates that the information be made available to doctors. badtoworse Feb 2012 #6
...and that 'doctors' cannot share... CanSocDem Feb 2012 #10
They can share their concerns with regulators such as OSHA and the DEP badtoworse Feb 2012 #11
I'm confused. grntuscarora Feb 2012 #13
See No. 11 badtoworse Feb 2012 #14
I'm assuming grntuscarora Feb 2012 #16
No matter. grntuscarora Feb 2012 #17
I don't know the answer to your question about a patient being being bound by the confidentiality badtoworse Feb 2012 #18
After being poisoned by grntuscarora Feb 2012 #23
Perhaps... badtoworse Feb 2012 #24
There is a recent study called "Impacts of Gas Drilling on Animal and Human Health" grntuscarora Feb 2012 #34
I imagine many people believe that... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #65
Different frack formulas Frack Glop Feb 2012 #63
The problem is with the verbiage used as the medical profession sees it siligut Feb 2012 #5
There are already "right to know" laws on the books that deal with what you describe badtoworse Feb 2012 #7
They are making it very difficult for medical professionals to do their job. siligut Feb 2012 #8
I don't see a problem here badtoworse Feb 2012 #9
They are not forthcoming with the information, it is the equivalent of jumping through hoops. siligut Feb 2012 #12
You may not like it, but there are valid reasons why trade secrets exist - nt badtoworse Feb 2012 #15
Well, you just said it all right there..."trade secrets." blue neen Feb 2012 #19
There are situations where state law should preempt local law. This is one of them. badtoworse Feb 2012 #20
Really? blue neen Feb 2012 #26
The EPA is currently investigating Dimock badtoworse Feb 2012 #32
I think that no matter what damage to people, the water supply, or the environment TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #38
That is not true badtoworse Feb 2012 #46
In post 20 you are saying that we should trust the state to take care of regulating fracking. blue neen Feb 2012 #39
In Post 20, I was referring to local governments being preempted by state law. badtoworse Feb 2012 #44
Tom Corrupt's hand-picked crony, Krancer has been quite active in keeping the EPA out. blue neen Feb 2012 #50
Krancer's letter was about methane migration, a different issue badtoworse Feb 2012 #52
The article actually states that Krancer has tried to block the EPA. blue neen Feb 2012 #56
If the gas industry has their way PA Democrat Feb 2012 #54
You're quite welcome. blue neen Feb 2012 #58
Those fucking trade secrets take a back seat to public health MattBaggins Feb 2012 #27
Gassers are Exempt from RIGHT TO KNOW in PA under this bill Frack Glop Feb 2012 #64
Protection is for those who are victims of fracking, not the companies. Avalux Feb 2012 #21
Has it even happened where a doctor needed to know the makeup of fracking fluid to treat a patient? badtoworse Feb 2012 #22
Do you work for Marcellus Shale? Avalux Feb 2012 #25
You didn't respond to my question, but I'll respond to yours anyway badtoworse Feb 2012 #29
Medical professional; public health advocate. Avalux Feb 2012 #33
How many cases have you treated for exposure to fracking fluids or even heard of? badtoworse Feb 2012 #35
There are anecdotal cases - Avalux Feb 2012 #36
Should we wait for a cancer epidemic? PA Democrat Feb 2012 #37
Here's an example: blue neen Feb 2012 #40
Very good link - thank you badtoworse Feb 2012 #47
Yes we can find out what is in those rail cars MattBaggins Feb 2012 #28
DEP and OSHA already have access to the MSDS sheets under existing law badtoworse Feb 2012 #30
You're kidding, right? me b zola Feb 2012 #41
How do you take your fracking fluid? badtoworse Feb 2012 #42
Well, right now I'm drinking mine in my glass of water. blue neen Feb 2012 #43
How do you know that? Has the water been tested? badtoworse Feb 2012 #48
We're still waiting for the results. Geez, I wonder why it's taking so long. blue neen Feb 2012 #57
Gee, what could possibly go wrong here? PA Democrat Feb 2012 #60
It makes your hair stand on end, doesn't it? blue neen Feb 2012 #61
I'll speak slower for you me b zola Feb 2012 #45
As I understand the new law, it provides a way for doctors to find out badtoworse Feb 2012 #49
But denies them the ability to warn the public of a huge health risk me b zola Feb 2012 #51
Does the law prevent them from notifying DEP, EPA, CDC, OSHA, etc.? badtoworse Feb 2012 #53
badtoworse Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #31
I was thinking the same thing Tsiyu Feb 2012 #55
Those with nothing to hide... BeHereNow Feb 2012 #59
Tom Corbett: More Than a Sandusky Player. WinkyDink Feb 2012 #62
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