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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. True. True even before then.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:23 PM
Jul 2013


Here's one that the Party transition team must've missed:



How Should the Next President Deal with the Bush White House's Crimes?

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!
Posted on July 26, 2008, Printed on July 26, 2008

EXCERPT...

The criticism of Obama's stances has come as part of a larger debate over whether efforts to hold the Bush administration accountable would jeopardize an ostensibly higher goal of ensuring a Democratic win this November.

I'm joined right now, in addition to Glenn Greenwald, who blogs at Salon.com, the legal scholar by Cass Sunstein, who's an informal adviser to Barack Obama, professor at Harvard University and the University of Chicago Law School. He is co-author of the book Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness and is cited as one of the most-cited legal scholars in the country.

SNIP...

[font color="blue"]Glenn Greenwald:[/font color] You know, I think this mentality that we're hearing is really one of the principal reasons why our government has become so lawless and so distorted over the past thirty years. You know, if you go into any courtroom where there is a criminal on trial for any kind of a crime, they'll have lawyers there who stand up and offer all sorts of legal and factual justifications or defenses for what they did. You know, going back all the way to the pardon of Nixon, you know, you have members of the political elite and law professors standing up and saying, "Oh, there's good faith reasons not to impeach or to criminally prosecute." And then you go to the Iran-Contra scandal, where the members of the Beltway class stood up and said the same things Professor Sunstein is saying: we need to look to the future, it's important that we not criminalize policy debates. You know, you look at Lewis Libby being spared from prison.

And now you have an administration that -- we have a law in this country that says it is a felony offense, punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine, to spy on Americans without the warrants required by law. We have a president who got caught doing that, who admits that he did that. And yet, you have people saying, "Well, there may be legal excuses as to why he did that." Or you have a president who admits ordering, in the White House, planning with his top aides, interrogation policies that the International Red Cross says are categorically torture, which are also felony offenses in the United States. And you have people saying, "Well, we can't criminalize policy disputes."

And what this has really done is it's created a two-tiered system of government, where government leaders know that they are free to break our laws, and they'll have members of the pundit class and the political class and law professors standing up and saying, "Well, these are important intellectual issues that we need to grapple with, and it's really not fair to put them inside of a courtroom or talk about prison." And so, we've incentivized lawlessness in this country. I mean, the laws are clear that it's criminal to do these things. The President has done them, and he -- there's no reason to treat him differently than any other citizen who breaks our laws.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/92829/how_should_the_next_president_deal_with_the_bush_white_house%27s_crimes



I don't recall seeing too many of his current day critics on those threads of old standing up to Bush and Cheney.

Thank you for remembering, leftstreet! Thanks for being there...and here.

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Back when Greenwald was a DU hero leftstreet Jul 2013 #1
True. True even before then. Octafish Jul 2013 #7
+ 100 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #12
As did I and thousands of other people stevenleser Jul 2013 #2
Precisely, and DU was in the thick of investigating this then Coyotl Jul 2013 #8
We were reporting on something illegal during Bush. My article demanded we go back to FISA. stevenleser Jul 2013 #67
I agree. Regarding the hyperbole on DU, anyone can register an account Coyotl Jul 2013 #75
I suspect Karl Rove's Crossroads is on of DU's top contributors emulatorloo Jul 2013 #76
You're a good writer and a brave man, stevenleser! Octafish Jul 2013 #9
And none did a better job than Greenwald. Which is why a contract was taken out on him sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #39
Tons of people did it better and much earlier than Greenwald. Here are just two examples of articles stevenleser Jul 2013 #66
Appreciate the links, Steve. Remember reading both of those articles n/t emulatorloo Jul 2013 #77
"If someone testified before Congress when Glenn wasn't around, it didn't really happen!" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #3
Greenwald on N.S.A. crimes under Bush... Octafish Jul 2013 #16
Yes, I remember his excellent journalism throughout the Bush era of high crimes and misdeamors. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #4
What will be done about James Comey's revelations? Octafish Jul 2013 #30
Thank you Octafish, Greenwald is what a journalist ought to be. His specialty has always sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #37
OMG the TWISTEDNESS of the man's long term STRATEGY sibelian Jul 2013 #5
Now that's some 13-dimensional chess! :sarcasm: - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #25
Not that they wouldn't, it's just that it's a dying art. Octafish Jul 2013 #43
Nope, no he didn't. baldguy Jul 2013 #6
Oh look...there are more simple facts you refuse to acknowledge DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #19
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #21
The difference is right there in your title line. KEYWORD: "ILLEGAL". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #10
Did I miss something? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #13
See! He TOTALLY changed his point of view because he's a RACIST MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #11
Wow! Maybe *that's* why Greenwald wasn't even a reporter in 2005. Octafish Jul 2013 #70
consistently courageous = credibility fascisthunter Jul 2013 #14
Verily. The guy went after Bush and Cheney when his critics were uniting behind the preznit. Octafish Jul 2013 #72
Deja DU's Coyotl Jul 2013 #15
Great term. Important phenomenon. Octafish Jul 2013 #88
Google tip = Combine any keyword with the following: "L. Coyote" site:democraticunderground.com Coyotl Jul 2013 #89
What were David Gregory and Chuck Todd saying Hooray for Pepe Jul 2013 #17
the professional punditry were giving bush blow jobs until well into his second term. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #48
Thanks for the reality check, Octafish. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #18
Why is congress so afraid to use their oversight responsibility nineteen50 Jul 2013 #20
One of the NSA whistleblowers (think it may be Tice) alleges that HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #26
No! it is "f"ing scary. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #29
Sounds like we're in the same demographic roughly speaking. For me the long, slow descent began HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #31
I thought at that time the nineteen50 Jul 2013 #36
My memories have grown a bit hazy with the passage of time and so HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #38
no, it's scary. tapping politicians is scary. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49
nineteen50 - follow the money. truedelphi Jul 2013 #41
I was aware of Di's bio. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #42
feinstein. ugh. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #50
K&R. Thanks for reminding people why we have admired Greenwald. Overseas Jul 2013 #22
Pelosi took impeachment off the table in 2006. And wouldn't you know it, back in 2002, HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #28
Right On bahrbearian Jul 2013 #32
Glenn speaks up about our need to fight to protect and restore our rights. Overseas Jul 2013 #53
For many on this board, supporting the Party is the first priority. Maedhros Jul 2013 #62
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Jul 2013 #23
Well, isn't that incovenient for some DUers (who also forget it's all about Bush/Cheney). n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #24
I wonder what the Group will say when Pres Obama pardons Bush and Cheney. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #55
I sadly imagine many here will praise Obama for his capacity for mercy. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #64
Yes, It'd be good to put that mess behind us. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #73
Marcy Wheeler: Hissyspit Jul 2013 #27
Yes, and I remember how most of DU rejoiced at his revelations....... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #33
Notice how the people who have been relentlessy taunting and attacking you are HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #34
+1 Their silence is louder than their applied hysteria. johnnyreb Jul 2013 #40
Considerably. sibelian Jul 2013 #46
There isn't a single one of the Snowden Sand Pit brigade, is there? sibelian Jul 2013 #45
Octafish! You're off message. Get with the program! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2013 #35
no! it was Lieberman and Harold Ford! they were the only ones resisting the lefty mobs' MisterP Jul 2013 #44
Greenwald isn't standing up to anyone. Jay Rockefeller is, and nine months earlier. ucrdem Jul 2013 #47
Looking forward... nothing to see here upi402 Jul 2013 #51
K&R. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #52
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #54
Hero Then. Horrible Person Now Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #56
Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #57
Ha. And blogging about it two years later ucrdem Jul 2013 #58
Well said. B Stieg Jul 2013 #63
So what? Poppy Bush lied America into war with Iraq in 1991. Octafish Jul 2013 #60
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #59
Thank you! meegbear Jul 2013 #61
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #65
K & R Quantess Jul 2013 #68
kick...no text Kurovski Jul 2013 #69
Geezus, MORE Greenwald worshipping railsback Jul 2013 #71
And you choose Republicans like Clapper, Mueller, and Bernanke. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #74
Sorry, I didn't know I was being forced to choose anybody railsback Jul 2013 #81
Nice dodge. No one is forcing you to choose. It appears from your posts you side with Clapper, rhett o rick Jul 2013 #82
Here we are six years later, we still haven't gotten a solid answer to Sen. Rockefeller's question leveymg Jul 2013 #78
Mission Accomplished... Octafish Jul 2013 #87
i keep forgetting greenwald is an opinion writer madrchsod Jul 2013 #79
Liberals and free thinkers tend to have principles that don't change Doctor_J Jul 2013 #80
Doctor_J, you have defined 'Character.' Octafish Jul 2013 #86
The last thing I want is a dirtbag like Greenwald... gulliver Jul 2013 #83
+1000 blackspade Jul 2013 #84
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #85
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