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Octafish

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16. Greenwald on N.S.A. crimes under Bush...

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:54 PM

Jul 2013

The testimony yesterday from James Comey re-focuses attention on one of the long unresolved mysteries of the NSA scandal. And the new information Comey revealed, though not answering that question decisively, suggests some deeply troubling answers. Most of all, yesterday’s hearing underscores how unresolved the entire NSA matter is — how little we know (but ought to know) about what actually happened and how little accountability there has been for some of the most severe and blatant acts of presidential lawbreaking in the country’s history.

http://www.salon.com/2007/05/16/nsa_comey/

That was 2007. Compare with Cass Sunstein, ca. 2008:

Prosecuting government officials risks a “cycle” of criminalizing public service, argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the “slight appearance” of it.

Details: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002797594

Which helps explain the present day.

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It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007! [View all] Octafish Jul 2013 OP

Back when Greenwald was a DU hero leftstreet Jul 2013 #1

True. True even before then. Octafish Jul 2013 #7

+ 100 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #12

As did I and thousands of other people stevenleser Jul 2013 #2

Precisely, and DU was in the thick of investigating this then Coyotl Jul 2013 #8

We were reporting on something illegal during Bush. My article demanded we go back to FISA. stevenleser Jul 2013 #67

I agree. Regarding the hyperbole on DU, anyone can register an account Coyotl Jul 2013 #75

I suspect Karl Rove's Crossroads is on of DU's top contributors emulatorloo Jul 2013 #76

You're a good writer and a brave man, stevenleser! Octafish Jul 2013 #9

And none did a better job than Greenwald. Which is why a contract was taken out on him sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #39

Tons of people did it better and much earlier than Greenwald. Here are just two examples of articles stevenleser Jul 2013 #66

Appreciate the links, Steve. Remember reading both of those articles n/t emulatorloo Jul 2013 #77

"If someone testified before Congress when Glenn wasn't around, it didn't really happen!" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #3

Greenwald on N.S.A. crimes under Bush... Octafish Jul 2013 #16

Yes, I remember his excellent journalism throughout the Bush era of high crimes and misdeamors. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #4

What will be done about James Comey's revelations? Octafish Jul 2013 #30

Thank you Octafish, Greenwald is what a journalist ought to be. His specialty has always sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #37

OMG the TWISTEDNESS of the man's long term STRATEGY sibelian Jul 2013 #5

Now that's some 13-dimensional chess! :sarcasm: - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #25

Not that they wouldn't, it's just that it's a dying art. Octafish Jul 2013 #43

Nope, no he didn't. baldguy Jul 2013 #6

Oh look...there are more simple facts you refuse to acknowledge DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #19

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #21

The difference is right there in your title line. KEYWORD: "ILLEGAL". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #10

Did I miss something? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #13

See! He TOTALLY changed his point of view because he's a RACIST MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #11

Wow! Maybe *that's* why Greenwald wasn't even a reporter in 2005. Octafish Jul 2013 #70

consistently courageous = credibility fascisthunter Jul 2013 #14

Verily. The guy went after Bush and Cheney when his critics were uniting behind the preznit. Octafish Jul 2013 #72

Deja DU's Coyotl Jul 2013 #15

Great term. Important phenomenon. Octafish Jul 2013 #88

Google tip = Combine any keyword with the following: "L. Coyote" site:democraticunderground.com Coyotl Jul 2013 #89

What were David Gregory and Chuck Todd saying Hooray for Pepe Jul 2013 #17

the professional punditry were giving bush blow jobs until well into his second term. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #48

Thanks for the reality check, Octafish. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #18

Why is congress so afraid to use their oversight responsibility nineteen50 Jul 2013 #20

One of the NSA whistleblowers (think it may be Tice) alleges that HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #26

No! it is "f"ing scary. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #29

Sounds like we're in the same demographic roughly speaking. For me the long, slow descent began HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #31

I thought at that time the nineteen50 Jul 2013 #36

My memories have grown a bit hazy with the passage of time and so HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #38

no, it's scary. tapping politicians is scary. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49

nineteen50 - follow the money. truedelphi Jul 2013 #41

I was aware of Di's bio. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #42

feinstein. ugh. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #50

K&R. Thanks for reminding people why we have admired Greenwald. Overseas Jul 2013 #22

Pelosi took impeachment off the table in 2006. And wouldn't you know it, back in 2002, HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #28

Right On bahrbearian Jul 2013 #32

Glenn speaks up about our need to fight to protect and restore our rights. Overseas Jul 2013 #53

For many on this board, supporting the Party is the first priority. Maedhros Jul 2013 #62

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Jul 2013 #23

Well, isn't that incovenient for some DUers (who also forget it's all about Bush/Cheney). n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #24

I wonder what the Group will say when Pres Obama pardons Bush and Cheney. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #55

I sadly imagine many here will praise Obama for his capacity for mercy. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #64

Yes, It'd be good to put that mess behind us. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #73

Marcy Wheeler: Hissyspit Jul 2013 #27

Yes, and I remember how most of DU rejoiced at his revelations....... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #33

Notice how the people who have been relentlessy taunting and attacking you are HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #34

+1 Their silence is louder than their applied hysteria. johnnyreb Jul 2013 #40

Considerably. sibelian Jul 2013 #46

There isn't a single one of the Snowden Sand Pit brigade, is there? sibelian Jul 2013 #45

Octafish! You're off message. Get with the program! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2013 #35

no! it was Lieberman and Harold Ford! they were the only ones resisting the lefty mobs' MisterP Jul 2013 #44

Greenwald isn't standing up to anyone. Jay Rockefeller is, and nine months earlier. ucrdem Jul 2013 #47

Looking forward... nothing to see here upi402 Jul 2013 #51

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #52

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #54

Hero Then. Horrible Person Now Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #56

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #57

Ha. And blogging about it two years later ucrdem Jul 2013 #58

Well said. B Stieg Jul 2013 #63

So what? Poppy Bush lied America into war with Iraq in 1991. Octafish Jul 2013 #60

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #59

Thank you! meegbear Jul 2013 #61

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #65

K & R Quantess Jul 2013 #68

kick...no text Kurovski Jul 2013 #69

Geezus, MORE Greenwald worshipping railsback Jul 2013 #71

And you choose Republicans like Clapper, Mueller, and Bernanke. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #74

Sorry, I didn't know I was being forced to choose anybody railsback Jul 2013 #81

Nice dodge. No one is forcing you to choose. It appears from your posts you side with Clapper, rhett o rick Jul 2013 #82

Here we are six years later, we still haven't gotten a solid answer to Sen. Rockefeller's question leveymg Jul 2013 #78

Mission Accomplished... Octafish Jul 2013 #87

i keep forgetting greenwald is an opinion writer madrchsod Jul 2013 #79

Liberals and free thinkers tend to have principles that don't change Doctor_J Jul 2013 #80

Doctor_J, you have defined 'Character.' Octafish Jul 2013 #86

The last thing I want is a dirtbag like Greenwald... gulliver Jul 2013 #83

+1000 blackspade Jul 2013 #84

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #85